Sounds of SAND

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Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being

  1. Listening in Reverie: Ellen Emmet

    4D AGO

    Listening in Reverie: Ellen Emmet

    In this conversation, Ellen Emmet reflects on her path into Jungian analysis and how the teachings of Carl Jung continue to shape her inner life, clinical work, and spiritual inquiry. Together, we explore what it means to hold depth psychology and nondual realization in the same field—without collapsing one into the other. The dialogue moves through questions of decolonizing therapy, the subtle dynamics of spiritual bypass, and the kind of deep listening required when working with the unconscious—both personal and collective. Ellen speaks to the body as a threshold into the psyche’s wilderness, and to the necessity of staying in relationship with what is unresolved, uncomfortable, and unfinished. Threaded throughout is a concern for the wider world: how collective trauma, ancestral memory, and the current socio-political moment ask to be included in spiritual and therapeutic work—not bypassed. This is a conversation about remembrance, embodiment, and the slow work of integration in times of upheaval. Ellen offers meetings and retreats through The Awakening Body, an experiential exploration rooted in nondual inquiry, Authentic Movement, and direct listening to lived experience. She also maintains a private psychotherapy practice and facilitates Authentic Movement groups. EllenEmmet.com Topics 00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview 01:05 Reflecting on Past Conversations 01:41 Journey into Jungian Analysis 02:50 Exploring Carl Jung's Theories 05:31 The Process of Individuation 13:17 Decolonizing Therapy 16:40 Spiritual Bypassing and Social Issues 20:48 Facing the Darkness: Confronting Fear and Avoidance 22:17 The Deadly Silence: Censorship in Spiritual Spaces 23:19 Heartbreak as a Spiritual Connection 26:09 The Power of Collective Healing 28:03 Listening with Reverence and Reverie 36:09 The Wildness of the Body: Embracing Natural Movement 39:39 Concluding Thoughts and Future Connections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    41 min
  2. Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty: Francis Weller

    JAN 29

    Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty: Francis Weller

    From a SAND Community Gathering (December 2025), Francis Weller joins SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo for a wide-ranging conversation on grief, initiation, and the sacred thresholds of a changing world.   They speak of rough passages and necessary descents—of what must burn away, and what endures. With Francis’s steady guidance, sorrow, longing, beauty, and vulnerability are reclaimed not as weaknesses, but as profound sources of strength, orientation, and soul knowledge.   Rooted in the soulcraft teachings of his book In the Absence of the Ordinary, the dialogue unfolds in a spirit of reverence and remembrance. Together, they explore the unraveling of the familiar as an invitation into deeper belonging—grief as a living portal, and beauty as a practice of staying close to what is sacred, even in times of descent.   Topics   00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgements 01:09 Guest Introduction: Francis Weller 02:02 Opening Reflections on Soul and Rhythm 03:17 The Modern Frenzy vs. Soul's Rhythm 05:32 Therapy and the Soul's Healing Process 12:09 The Role of Wounds in Soul Work 16:35 Confession and Community Healing 23:17 Collective Psyche and Modern Challenges 28:39 Historical Roots of Disconnection 31:25 Grief and Ancestral Memory 33:47 Understanding Grief in a Shallow Culture 35:06 The Three Layers of Experience 35:18 The Role of Ritual in Processing Grief 36:00 Fear and Control in Grief Expression 36:22 The Importance of Containment Fields 36:48 Cultural Rituals and Their Significance 40:21 Creating Personal Rituals 50:32 The Long Dark: Embracing Uncertainty 56:13 The Sacred in Everyday Life 59:13 The Role of Elders in a Fragmented World 01:03:12 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 5m
  3. Indigenous Ways of Knowing: Dr. Leroy Little Bear

    JAN 22

    Indigenous Ways of Knowing: Dr. Leroy Little Bear

    Blackfoot scholar Dr. Leroy Little Bear shares foundational Indigenous ways of knowing—revealing a worldview built on energy, motion, and relationship rather than matter, time, and separation.In this conversation, Little Bear illuminates how Blackfoot philosophy understands reality through "interpretive templates"—cultural lenses shaped by language, land, and cosmology. Where Western thought centers singularity and fixed answers, Blackfoot ways embrace flux, transformation, and "all my relations."Dr. Leroy Little Bear is a Blackfoot legal scholar, professor emeritus, and prominent Indigenous rights advocate from the Blood Tribe. He is a founding member of the Native American Studies Department at the University of Lethbridge, served as the director of the Harvard University Native American Program, and played a crucial role in shaping Canadian constitutional law to recognize Indigenous rights, including contributing to Section 35 of the Constitution Act. His work extends to international advocacy, advising the United Nations on the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and he has received numerous honors, such as the Order of Canada and the Alberta Order of Excellence.Topics   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:45 Guest Introduction: Dr. Leroy Little Bear 01:42 Blackfoot Tradition and Identity 02:59 Western vs. Blackfoot Worldview 10:15 Energy Forces and Relationships 27:39 Impact of Colonization 34:26 Language and Interpretive Templates 54:38 Closing Remarks and Gratitude Explore more in Indigenous Worldviews in the SAND film Series The Eternal SongSupport the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    56 min
  4. Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon

    JAN 15

    Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon

    This episode was recorded live at The Eternal Song Film Gathering in 2025.  Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon and Joe Williams, featured in the upcoming SAND Film In the Circle of Life premiering January 20, 2026. In this conversation they discuss the profound importance of connection to the land, cultural heritage, and traditional practices in achieving wellness. The conversation reveals how Indigenous wisdom can address modern societal woes and highlights the importance of respecting and maintaining a deep relationship with the natural world. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:47 Meet Uncle Paul Gordon 01:59 Language and Cultural Connections 03:01 Introducing Joe Williams 16:26 Joe Williams' Journey and Spiritual Awakening 22:07 Aboriginal Perspectives on Wellbeing and Grief 26:23 Understanding Time and Connection to Country 29:40 Ancient Knowledge and Star Stories 30:50 Connection to Country and Ancestral Wisdom 44:25 The Role of Ceremony and Responsibility 52:22 Healing Through Connection to Nature 57:55 Final Thoughts and Resources Resources In the Circle of Life The Living Country Community  Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 1m
  5. Dispatches Through the Rubble: Haidar Eid & Ashira Darwish

    JAN 8

    Dispatches Through the Rubble: Haidar Eid & Ashira Darwish

    From a recent SAND Community Gathering (December 2025). This urgent conversation, facilitated by Ashira Darwish and rooted in Haidar Eid’s new book Banging on the Walls of the Tank, moves through the fractured present of Gaza, bringing forth a chorus of resistance, mourning, refusal, and clarity.   This is a dispatch from within the rubble, the classroom, the lull between airstrikes. Together. Eid and Darwish hold the line inside the unbearable: the grief of ongoing genocide and the insistence on liberation; the impossibility of hope and the necessity of imagining otherwise.   Their conversation refuses erasure, insists on dignity, and carries the clarity of those living under siege with purpose and memory intact.   This conversation carries the vibration of Gaza’s resistance outward, inviting listeners not just to witness, but to respond. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks 00:58 Context of the Gaza Genocide 02:23 Introducing Haidar Eid and Ashira Darwish 02:32 Haidar Eid's Background and Experience 03:19 Ashira Darwish's Introduction and Role 05:42 Haidar Eid's Personal Account of the Genocide 07:17 The Impact of the Genocide on Haidar's Life 09:51 Tribute to Fallen Colleagues and Students 11:55 The Importance of Palestinian Narratives 14:57 Historical Context and Ongoing Genocide 27:34 The Human Cost and Personal Stories 29:00 Protecting Stories and Dignity 29:40 Understanding Israeli Society and Zionism 32:33 The Role of International Support 34:08 The BDS Movement and Palestinian Civil Society 35:47 The Call for Global Solidarity 43:18 Banging on the Walls of the Tank 53:12 A Shift in the Global Narrative 58:17 Final Thoughts and Call to Action Resources Project Hope Palestine Catharsis Holistic Healing Palestine BDS Movement Ashira Darwish’s Website   Where Olive Trees Weep   Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 1m
  6. Threshold Voices: Sounds of SAND 2025

    12/30/2025

    Threshold Voices: Sounds of SAND 2025

    This final episode of 2025 reflects on a year of transitions and healing, focusing on themes of intergenerational trauma, collective grief, and social justice, especially in the context of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Through diverse voices including Dr. Gabor Maté, Naomi Klein, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish, Omid Safi, Kazu Haga, and others, the episode delves into personal and collective fields of healing. It emphasizes the importance of remembering, ritualizing healing, community action, indigenous knowledge, and a para-politics of grief and relationship. The episode also highlights the significance of interconnectedness, resilience, and the continuous effort towards justice and transformation. Topics and Speakers  00:00 Introduction and Year in Review 02:03 Minds Under Siege: Dr. Gabor Mate and Naomi Klein 17:38 We Will Not Look Away: Vigil for Gaza with Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish and Omid Safi 37:33 Fierce Vulnerability: Kazu Haga 46:16 Belonging Without Othering: john a. powell 50:51 The Limits of Solution-Driven Thinking: Bayo Akomolafe 55:47 Complexity and Phase Transitions: Jeremy Lent 01:02:03 Intergenerational Trauma and Healing: Jungwon Kim and Linda Thai  01:18:40 Generational Trauma and Community Healing: Dr. Thema Bryant 01:23:16 Decolonizing Therapy and Ancestral Healing: Dr. Jennifer Mullan 01:26:30 Indigenous Perspectives on Colonization and Wellbeing: Dr. Diana Kopua, Tina Ngata and Mark Kopua 01:40:30 Plant Medicine and Connection to Nature: Donna Kerridge 01:53:07 Grief, Ritual, and Communal Healing: Orland Bishop and Francis Weller 02:02:39 Presence and Receptive Awareness: John J. Prendergast 02:09:26 Conclusion and Membership Invitation  Links  Naomi Klein Dr. Gabor Maté Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb Omid Safi Kazu Haga john a. Powell Bayo Akomolafe Jeremy Lent Jungwon Kim Linda Thai Dr. Thema Bryant Dr. Jennifer Mullan Te Kurahuna (Mark and Dr. Diana Kopua) Tina Ngata Francis Weller Orland Bishop John Prendergast Where Olive Trees Weep  The Eternal Song (Film series and course) Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    2h 11m
  7. Engaged Contemplation: Father Adam Bucko

    12/11/2025

    Engaged Contemplation: Father Adam Bucko

    In this episode of The Sounds of SAND podcast, host Michael Reiley speaks with Father Adam Bucko about his journey and the integration of Christian contemplative spirituality with social justice activism. Father Adam shares his formative experiences growing up in Poland during the resistance against totalitarian government, his work with marginalized youth in the United States and India, and his philosophy of engaged contemplation. He discusses the importance of heartbreak as a spiritual guide, the responsibility of acknowledging historical injustices perpetrated by the Christian church, and the practice of staying grounded through monastic rhythms of life. The episode highlights the need for a balanced approach to spirituality that embraces both love and grief, and explores reconciliation with the world's suffering through active, mindful presence. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview 01:37 Father Adam Bucko's Early Life and Inspirations 04:50 Journey to the United States and Spiritual Exploration 08:13 Contemplative Practices and Activism 20:58 Challenges and Reflections on Modern Christianity 29:48 Navigating Institutional Harm and New Monasticism 32:16 Engaged Spirituality and Personal Practices 46:36 Final Thoughts and Ways to Connect Resources: FatherAdamBucko.com The Center for Spiritual Imagination "Let Heartbreak Be Your Guide" Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    50 min
  8. Therapy Is Not Neutral: Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo

    12/04/2025

    Therapy Is Not Neutral: Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo

    A Decolonial Invitation to Remember, Relearn, and Resist   From a live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025) a live conversation with Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo. Their discussion emphasizes the importance of ancestral wisdom, collective healing, and the decolonization of therapeutic practices. Dr. Mullan shares her personal journey of reconciling traditional healing methods with modern therapy and explores the impact of historical and intergenerational trauma. The conversation also highlights the significance of land, lineage, and community in the healing process, and addresses the ways in which therapy can be transformed to be more inclusive and effective for diverse populations. Dr. Mullan shares from her journey of calling therapists into a politicized practice—one rooted in responsibility, reverence, and collective liberation. The conversation challenges clinicians to confront their training, interrogate their privilege, and participate in the sacred labor of relearning. Topics 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 00:30 Honoring Ancestral Wisdom 01:54 Introducing Iya Affo 04:23 Meet Dr. Jennifer Mullan 05:22 The Non-Neutrality of Therapy 10:39 Decolonizing Therapy: A Deep Dive 14:33 Therapy and Boundaries 27:42 The Historical Impact on Therapy 31:24 Shining a Light on Hidden History 31:55 Finding Safe Spaces for Vulnerability 32:21 Therapeutic Contexts and Trauma 33:45 Bridging and Reciprocity in Healing 37:04 Colonial Soul Wound and Historical Trauma 39:39 Reclaiming Ancestral Pathways 42:25 Decolonizing Therapy for All 45:43 Healing Across Layered Dimensions 54:50 Embracing Sacred Rage and Grief 58:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 1m
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Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being

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    Science and Nonduality
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    2022 - 2026
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