The Unscheduled CEO

Jonathan Courtney

Close your eyes... Now imagine The Diary Of A CEO but without the interviews, without the production value, without editing and without any topics. Imagine if the host was just sitting by himself, talking about... nothing really? What's the guy's name? Steven? Yeah, imagine him just sitting there rambling incoherently for like an hour. Thats The Unscheduled CEO!! This podcast is hosted by Jonathan Courtney, a hairy, Irish, Business Man. ENJOY! www.unscheduledceo.com

  1. 1d ago

    Selling Was Hard Until I Understood This Concept

    Guys… i’m BOILING over here. It’s the second heat wave of the summer here in Germany, 36°C in a country where almost nothing has air conditioning, so this is a short episode. But it’s a good one! Last week I talked about the ideal business model for a consultant. This week I want to talk about a concept that changed how I sell. For years I made selling harder than it needed to be, and then I understood one thing that made everything click. It’s a little unfair advantage hack that I rarely hear anyone mention. I use it all the time, and when it’s used on me, it makes me more likely to buy. Btw last week’s episode looks like it’'ll be the first “non guest episode” to hit 10K listens, wohoo! Anyway… sales… It comes down to two things: speed and convenience. The thing I didn’t get I’m on both sides of this all day. As a CEO I’m constantly buying services. As the CEO of an agency I’m constantly selling them. And the thing that actually decides whether I hire someone is almost never that they were the best. It’s that they made it easy to start while I was still excited. In January I was looking for help with the SEO of facilitator.com. I ended up on one call with one company. Not because they were the best, I didn’t do any research. Because they were the first to reach out and they could jump on a call straight away. Then they said they’d go away and make a proposal. By the time they came back, I’d figured out how to do it myself. They didn’t get the job. Momentum is the whole game Here’s the truth about CEOs. If you give them too much time to think, they’ve already moved on. The SEO thing was exciting to me for about a week. Then I was done. So when someone gets on a call with me at AJ&Smart, it’s never about a big proposal. It’s about the soonest possible starting point. Someone wants help with a funnel, I don’t say I’ll prepare a proposal and we’ll have another call. I say: when can we start? This thing starts with a two-day kickoff, and at the end you might not even need us. No retainer to decide, no contract to sign. We just start. That gives the other person the feeling that this can start now. Because I know they’ve got a million things going on. Right now this is a high priority. In two weeks it’s nothing. Be the Michelin chef A friend started a business this week and had a deal slipping. I told him: if you lose it, it won’t be the price or the service. It’ll be that the other CEO lost momentum. We’re so used to doing everything ourselves that if it takes you too long, we’ll just say f**k it and do it ourselves. Too many of you get on a call, list everything you can do, then go away to make a proposal, then come back, then make the client choose a package. You’re handing the client the job of figuring out what they want from you. You’re the service provider. Be the Michelin chef. Say: this is what I think you need, let’s just start here and see where we get to. Stop giving people homework A CEO asks me, “Do you know someone for SEO?” I say yes. Two weeks later: “Oh, they sent me a proposal, I haven’t looked at it yet.” That person gave them homework. A lot of entrepreneurial people have that now-or-never thing, and a long proposal is a task they’ll never get to. The best proposal anyone ever did for me closed a 100K deal in a Google doc, live, on the call. By the time we hung up, that was the deal. We started, I flew out, the paperwork happened in the background, and neither of us cared because we’d already begun. Stay disconnected from the money The move is to say: I’m excited, I can do this, let’s start. This is roughly my price. If it works out, my finance person will sort the contract. I want the client talking about the project and the dates, not the contract. If you’re a one-person show, your partner or a family member handles that part so you can stay on full speed. And talk the price on the call. No jump scare in an email three days later. “Ballpark, around 15 to 20.” If you can’t say that on the fly, get better at running your business. That’s the concept. Speed and convenience. Once I understood it, selling stopped being the hard part. You don’t need a better script or better marketing. You need to stop making it a job for people to say yes to you. Cheers, Jonathan This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.unscheduledceo.com

    36 min
  2. Jun 16

    If I Knew This At 20 I'd Have Retired By 30

    Hey, this week I want to try something a little different with the pod: i’m adding an enhanced summary of the “main takeaway” of the episode for those of you who prefer to just get to the good stuff and skip the rest. Of course I still think you should listen to the full episode to get the context, or at least put it on in the background while you scan through this. But whatever way you like to consume my content, enjoy! So! Here it is: The problem I had Most consultants sell exactly one thing, and it happens to be the most expensive, hardest-to-buy thing on the menu. It’s the lowest leverage thing too, meaning you have to put in a lot of time to get paid to do this… which takes away from being able to actually run your business. For me it was selling design work to clients. Meaning the more design work I did, the more I would get paid. It was a 1:1 relationship with time and money. Around 6 years in to my design career I learned that there was a completely differently way to approach running an agency, a completely different set of business models that I had no idea about… and honestly I wish I had known about them from the start because GODDAMN they changed everything for me. Let me show you the other things you could be selling. The three rungs Every consulting business can be split into three offers. Done For You. You do the work. The client pays top dollar and gets your hands on their problem. This is where almost every consultant lives, and most of them never leave. Done With You. You don’t do the work. You teach their team to do it. Workshops, training, group coaching. Cheaper for the client, way more leveraged for you. Do It Yourself. Courses, books, content. The client never interacts with you at all. Cheapest rung, fully scalable. When AJ&Smart was a UX agency, Done For You was us running design sprints for clients. Done With You was teaching their teams to run sprints themselves. Do It Yourself became the Design Sprint Masterclass. The part nobody expects Done With You ended up being the most lucrative tier for us. Here’s why. You train ten people at a company. Another team hears about it and wants the same thing. Then another. The training spreads inside the company in a way a one-off project never does. And the rungs feed each other: trainings generate sprint requests, sprints generate training requests. There’s also a second thing that happens once you have three rungs instead of one. On a huge number of our sales calls, when the price for the top tier is too high, we don’t lose the client. We move them down a rung. If you only sell Done For You, every call is all-or-nothing. With three rungs, “no” to one offer is “maybe” to another. “But my work is too custom to teach” I said this exact sentence for years. I was certain there was no Done With You version of UX design. Too subjective, too dependent on me being in the room. I was wrong, and if you’re thinking it right now, so are you. The goal is not to turn the client’s team into you. It’s to find one fragment of what you do that can be taught. Maybe it’s just how you run a kickoff. Maybe it’s one part of your process. That fragment is a product. And if you’re experienced, there’s a move most consultants never consider. You don’t only have to sell to clients. You can sell to you, ten years ago. There are people who would do anything to be where you are now, and teaching them is a whole second business. That’s where Facilitator.com came from. Stop selling your time The last piece. Once you have your rungs, price them as packages, not hours. No day rates, no itemized lists of what’s included. The moment you itemize, you invite people to negotiate you down line by line. A rule of thumb I picked up that’s stuck with me: one month in your group program should cost about the same as one hour alone with you. That gap is what makes the cheaper rungs feel like a deal and the expensive rung feel exclusive. Do this this week * Write your three rungs. One sentence each: what’s your Done For You, what could your Done With You be, what could your Do It Yourself be? Don’t build anything yet. Just name them. * Find the teachable fragment. Ask yourself what you do that feels boringly easy to you but looks like magic to clients. That’s your Done With You seed. * Add a down-sell to your next sales call. When someone balks at the price, instead of “no problem, bye,” try: “There’s another way to work with me. I can teach your team to do this themselves.” * Price by the rung. Top expensive, bottom cheap, and stop itemizing. You don’t have to build a course this month. You just have to stop being a business with one product, where that product is the single hardest thing on the menu to say yes to. Cheers, Jonathan P.S. The book that flipped this switch for me on packaging and pricing is Built to Sell by John Warrillow. It’s a short read. Worth doing this week. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.unscheduledceo.com

    1h 1m

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Close your eyes... Now imagine The Diary Of A CEO but without the interviews, without the production value, without editing and without any topics. Imagine if the host was just sitting by himself, talking about... nothing really? What's the guy's name? Steven? Yeah, imagine him just sitting there rambling incoherently for like an hour. Thats The Unscheduled CEO!! This podcast is hosted by Jonathan Courtney, a hairy, Irish, Business Man. ENJOY! www.unscheduledceo.com

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