For the Love of Community Engagement

Becky Hirst

For the Love of Community Engagement is a podcast to inspire better public participation. Hosted by Becky Hirst, globally renowned community engagement specialist, speaker, trainer and author, listen for the latest insights, inspiration, information and interviews from across the world. Find Becky at www.heyengage.world

  1. Sep 14

    Season 6, Episode 5: The Practitioner of the Future?

    Jet lag, an iron infusion, and a lot of caffeine couldn't stop this one - Becky and Dan are joined by Michelle Welsby, a self-confessed "local government tragic" with a career spanning community engagement, place activation and community development, for a wide-ranging conversation about where our profession is headed. What we cover Michelle talking about hosting a welcome night for her council's Community Voice Panel, a demographically representative panel scaling toward 400 members, and why the room full of past and new members told her everything about the value of showing up in person.AI: help or hazard? - Where AI is already doing 90% of the heavy lifting (data consolidation, theming, transcription) and where Michelle believes it can never go: the relational, trust-building work that sits at the heart of engagement.The Silicon Valley promise, revisited - Dan draws the line from Friends Reunited to MySpace to Facebook to ask whether we're finally learning that tech promises connection and too often delivers the opposite - and what that means for how we let AI into the relationship between government and community."Can" versus "should" - Just because AI can run the Zoom, write the email or summarise the workshop doesn't mean it should, if doing so erodes the trust a practitioner builds by being a consistent, known human presence.Beyond consultation: enter the "democracy designer" - Michelle and Becky push past the idea of engagement as a consultation specialism and land on a bigger frame: practitioners as democracy designers, with a role in helping communities navigate polarisation and have the hard conversations we're currently avoiding.Are we teaching anyone to disagree well? - From council panels to next-door neighbours arguing about a parking restriction, none of us are well equipped for respectful disagreement - and Michelle's team is now building conflict-conversation training into panel inductions.The flip Becky proposes in her book - Revisiting the IAP2 spectrum from For the Love of Community Engagement: what would it take to make community the default decision-maker, choosing how much it wants government involved, rather than the other way around?A sector at a tipping point - Michelle and Becky worry engagement is sliding from organic practice into tick-box compliance just as governments legislate their way out of genuine consultation - and that AI might be the shiny distraction that lets it happen unnoticed.Where's our evidence base? - Revisiting the oft-quoted Infrastructure Australia finding that roughly $20 billion in infrastructure was cancelled or delayed due to poor or absent community engagement, and asking why the sector doesn't have a hundred more statistics like it.Measuring what matters - A shared frustration with counting survey responses and workshop attendees instead of measuring impact: did what community said actually change the decision?Building the tools - Michelle walks through her council's 18-month build of an in-house community engagement portal - an IAP2-based calculator and resource library that helps any staff member work out what level of engagement a project needs, and what tools to run it with. The takeaways Don't let AI become the engagement - it's a tool to support the work, not a replacement for human trust.The practitioner of the future is more than a consultation specialist - think democracy designer.Community engagement needs to hold onto being both an art and a science.The future of the role is about building and strengthening community, not one-off transactional consultations - and that starts with genuine community education. About our guest Michelle Welsby currently works as a coordinator for community engagement in local government, with previous roles as a community engagement lead, in place activation, and as a team leader of community development. By her own description, she's a "local government tragic" — and this episode shows exactly why.

    Season 6, Episode 5: The Practitioner of the Future?
  2. Aug 13

    Season 6, Episode 4 - When Things Don't Go To Plan

    Fair warning: this one starts differently. No guest. No agenda. No plan. Just Becky and Dan hitting record on what was supposed to be Episode 4 and seeing what happened. What happened was a genuinely unguarded conversation between two people who've spent the last six months in the trenches together - and it turns out, when you take the structure away, that's when things get interesting. Before we get to the big sector stuff, you'll get the behind-the-scenes version of Dan and Becky - including Becky’s earliest life memories (it involves a push-along toy and a step she couldn't get past - and yes, it tells you everything about her), as well as her first birthday memory running on a Welsh beach, Dan's pre-engagement career as a competitive rower and DJ to 3,500 people, how he ended up pitching to venture capitalists at 25 and landing $250,000 in funding for CommunitiLabs, voice notes as the future of human communication, and a genuinely funny exchange about what "roasting" means across generations. Stick with it. The personal stuff is the context for everything that comes after - and what comes after is some of the most honest conversation we've had all season. Then we get into: When the industry doesn't resource its own innovation - Dan reflects on winding down CommunitiLabs, and what three years of building AI tools for the sector taught him about the gap between what the sector says it values and what it actually funds.Whether our work is consequential enough - a deliberately provocative question. Not whether engagement matters - it does, profoundly — but whether the way it's currently deployed allows it to have the consequence it should. Dan doesn't hold back.The accountability gap - what if there was a public dashboard where communities could see every submission, every theme, and what decision-makers did with it? What would change?Regional councils doing it right - without budget, without razzle-dazzle, just a CEO and a mayor getting in a car and driving to the footy club. Yarriambiack. Murray Bridge. The councils that make it work because they have to.Open Space Technology - Becky's favourite engagement method you've probably never used, and why the best conversations always happen in the coffee break.Swipe to unlock - Dan's analogy for what the sector's next innovation challenge actually is.The love letter - Dan wrote something called Crawling Over Broken Glass: A Love Letter to the Engagement Industry. We finally talk about where it came from, what's in it, and why Becky asked him to write the foreword to her next book using it as the starting point.This episode has an explicit rating. You've been warned. Connect with Becky: beckyhirst.world / LinkedInConnect with Dan: LinkedIn The white paper - Engaged or Obsolete? What the Next Decade Demands of Community Engagement Practice - is in progress. Recorded on the land of the Kaurna people and the Wadawurrung people.

    Season 6, Episode 4 - When Things Don't Go To Plan
  3. Jun 24

    Season 6, Episode 2 - Artificial Intelligence (AI) In The Room

    AI has entered the room - or at least, it's entered the sector. In this episode, Becky Hirst and co-host Dan Ferguson sit down with Lisa Ippolito to talk about what AI actually means for community engagement, with a particular focus on local government (though there's plenty here for anyone doing this work, anywhere). This is Episode 2 of a six-part series building toward our white paper, Engaged or Obsolete? Each episode adds another voice and another layer - and this one digs into the question underneath all the hype: if AI gives us time back, what do we do with it? The argument we keep landing on is that the future of community engagement is more human, not less - AI as enabler, not replacement. Across the conversation, we get into: What genuine AI capability building looks likeinside a council - moving people from hesitation to confidence through clear policies, practical examples, and strong safeguardsThe four types of AI users in any workforce (non-adopters, novices, explorers, power users) and why each is held back by something different - and why sending a non-adopter a "how to prompt better" webinar lands as an insultWhy some of the most thoughtful people opt outof AI on ethical grounds - and why that's a principled choice, not a skills gapWhat community engagement practitioners are mostanxious about, and whether that anxiety is well-foundedUsing AI to pressure-test survey design beforeyou go to community - generating dummy data to check whether your questions are leading or biasedThe ethics of synthetic audiences: helpful for testing, dangerous when they start replacing real community voices Communities now using AI to engage with us - including the Bondi Junction residents who built their own AI tool to help neighbours have their sayThe authentication problem: how do we know feedback is coming from real residents, and what that means for digital participationWhy we need to slow down even as we're all being pushed to speed up - because trust, once lost, is hard to win backAbout our guest - Lisa Ippolito Lisa Ippolito leads the exploration of AI in local government at Whitehorse City Council - testing tools, building practicalresources, and learning alongside other curious minds. She's developed Whitehorse's AI guidelines for responsible use, run hands-on workshops, built a central resource hub, and created a safe, supportive Collaboration Network where staff can explore, ask questions and share what's working. Right now she's leading a whole-of-organisation AI capability and uplift program, supporting more than 100 leaders through workshops, use-case pilots and tailored training. What excites her most is helping teams move from hesitation to confidence - grounded in clear policies, practical examples and strong safeguards. Beyond Whitehorse, Lisa co-leads the LGPro AI Enablement Special Interest Group and ALGIM's AI, Web and Digital Community of Practice, and she's a regular speaker on responsible AI adoption and practical local government use cases. Her philosophy: learning is most enjoyable when shared - whether you're an AI sceptic, an enthusiast, or somewhere in between. The report Lisa has just launched AI Adoption in Victorian Local Government - Sector Baseline Report 2026 (LGPro + Whitehorse City Council) - the first sector-wide baseline of AI adoption across Victorian local government, drawing on responses from around 2,500 staff across 22 councils. You can find it on the LGPro website. Connect with Lisa LinkedIn is the best place to find her.

    Season 6, Episode 2 - Artificial Intelligence (AI) In The Room
  4. May 31

    Season 6, Episode 1 - Has Community Engagement Stopped Being Bold?

    Welcome to Season 6 of For the Love of Community Engagement - and to a brand new chapter for the podcast. Host Becky Hirst introduces her co-host for the season, Dan Ferguson (Founder & CEO of ⁠Communiti Labs⁠), as the two join forces to explore The Future of Community Engagement across six episodes and a co-authored white paper. In this first episode, Becky and Dan are joined by Mel Hagedorn, Client Executive at ⁠Capire⁠ and board member of the ⁠Engagement Institute⁠, for a conversation that gets straight to it: has the sector lost its boldness - and if so, why? Together they trace the shift from rich community conversation to data collection at scale, unpack why practitioners so often find their hands tied despite their best intentions, and ask what it would actually look like to do engagement differently. From the dominance of the survey as a default tool, to the untapped potential of AI for genuine listening, to a future where communities own their own conversations - this episode is a provocation, not a prescription. In this episode: Why declining trust scores may signal a sector going through the motionsThe hidden cost of bold engagement - and why doing it well can actually punish practitionersWhat "engagement theatre" really means, and how to move beyond itThe case for getting back to face-to-face, street-level, conversation-first practiceBecky's vision: voice-noting your council. Dan's: sitting on the sidelines, listening in."The future of engagement is not about getting more people in the room or more people to complete the survey. It's about creating the conditions where people's involvement genuinely matters." - Mel Hagedorn

    Season 6, Episode 1 - Has Community Engagement Stopped Being Bold?

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For the Love of Community Engagement is a podcast to inspire better public participation. Hosted by Becky Hirst, globally renowned community engagement specialist, speaker, trainer and author, listen for the latest insights, inspiration, information and interviews from across the world. Find Becky at www.heyengage.world

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