Two Quants and a Financial Planner

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Two Quants and a Financial Planner bridges the worlds of investing and financial planning to help investors achieve their long-term goals. Join Matt Zeigler, Jack Forehand and Justin Carbonneau as they cover a wide range of investing and financial planning topics that impact all of us and discuss how we can apply them in the real world to achieve the best outcomes in our financial lives.

  1. 6d ago

    Rates Are Spiking. The S&P Is One Big AI Bet. What If Your Biggest Risk Is What You Don't Own?

    Do you understand the risks in your portfolio, or just the labels on your investments? This week's Excess Returns Weekly Wrap explores how index concentration, changing bond yields, and lessons from great investors can challenge the assumptions behind your investing decisions. Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler revisit conversations with Andy Constan, Jason Hsu, Jack Raines, and Gary Mishuris. They discuss what Treasury buybacks can actually accomplish, why owning the S&P 500 may leave you exposed to a single dominant theme, what small losses can teach investors, and why learning from Warren Buffett requires more than copying him. They also explore China's energy infrastructure and its role in the AI race. Topics covered: Andy Constan on why growth and inflation expectations matter more for long-term rates than Treasury buybacksHow policy announcements can influence markets before policymakers actJason Hsu on AI concentration and the changing risks inside the S&P 500Why diversification requires looking beyond the number of stocks you ownJack Raines on experiencing losses while the stakes are manageableSeparating a small trading account from a long-term investment planGary Mishuris on understanding, applying, and adapting the lessons of great investorsWhy copying Warren Buffett's approach may overlook your own temperament and circumstancesAndy Constan on bonds' return potential relative to cash and their role in a diversified portfolioJason Hsu on China's energy supply, electricity grid, and advantages in powering AIChapters: 00:00 Introduction and Andy Constan on Treasury buybacks 11:35 Jason Hsu on the risks hiding in the S&P 500 17:59 Jack Raines on learning from losses 23:37 Gary Mishuris on why copying Warren Buffett falls short 29:19 Andy Constan on how the case for bonds has changed 36:18 Jason Hsu on China's energy advantage in AI 41:09 Energy innovation and what could change next Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  2. Sep 21

    The "Permabear" Holds 50% Stocks. 7 Sectors Barely Grew. What If Stocks Stop Carrying the Economy?

    Are strong earnings and resilient consumer spending hiding a weaker economy underneath? In this Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler explore why that disconnect matters for stocks, bonds, and the risks investors take in their portfolios. Featuring highlights from David Rosenberg, Jim Paulsen, Jenny Johnson, Bob Pozen, and Alex Edmans in conversation with Kai Wu, this week's discussion looks beyond headline numbers and familiar investing labels. From David Rosenberg's case for bonds to the lessons of Peter Lynch and Costco, the focus is on understanding what actually drives returns. Topics covered: - Why David Rosenberg is considering more bond duration and sees potential for a Treasury short-covering rally. - How David Rosenberg's 50% stock allocation challenges the "permabear" label. - Jim Paulsen's three-way earnings divide: technology, commodity-linked businesses, and the rest of the S&P 500. - What could happen if AI spending and higher oil prices stop carrying earnings growth. - Jenny Johnson's case for private-market access, and the hosts' concerns about retail investors becoming exit liquidity. - Why liquidity needs and financial advice matter when investing in private assets. - Bob Pozen's lessons from Peter Lynch: translating world events into company insights and buying when others retreat. - How different investment vehicles shaped Peter Lynch's and Warren Buffett's strategies. - Alex Edmans' research on employee satisfaction, Costco, and why valuable intangible assets may be overlooked. - David Rosenberg's warning about spending supported by lower savings, credit cards, and stock-market wealth, and why the hosts see concern rather than an immediate recession signal. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome and this week's investing highlights 06:32 David Rosenberg's portfolio beyond the permabear label 11:22 Jim Paulsen: what headline earnings hide 17:45 Jenny Johnson: private markets and exit liquidity 25:33 Bob Pozen on Peter Lynch and Warren Buffett 30:29 Alex Edmans: Costco and employee satisfaction 37:52 David Rosenberg: what is sustaining consumer spending? 45:55 Why volatility attracts financial-media viewers Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  3. Sep 14

    The Moats Are Invisible. So Is the Risk in Your Bond Fund. What Else Can't You See?

    Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler explore portfolio diversification, hidden bond-fund risks, AI inflation and the competitive advantages that help great businesses compound. Drawing on conversations with Chris Mayer, Robert Hagstrom, Jared Dillian, John Kerschner and Michael Contopoulos, this Excess Returns Weekly Wrap examines how to build a portfolio you can stick with and why your investments should account for the risks in your working life. Topics covered: Chris Mayer's invisible moats: how culture and execution can sustain high returns on invested capital. Why Robert Hagstrom sees potential mispricing in competitive advantages that are difficult to measure. Jared Dillian's challenge to Charlie Munger's advice about enduring 50% drawdowns. The Awesome Portfolio, risk tolerance and why comparing everything with the S&P 500 can undermine diversification. How debt-weighted bond indexes can leave investors with more interest rate risk than they expect. Understanding duration and the fixed income sectors that core bond funds can overlook. The case that AI spending, energy demand, labor shortages and rising wealth are inflationary today. How to judge whether AI threatens a business by tracking its most important operating metrics. Why value investors hold losers too long and how a few big winners can carry a portfolio. Dillian's life hedge: accounting for career risk, employer stock and human capital when investing. Timestamps: 00:00 AI backlash and this week's investing lessons 05:03 Robert Hagstrom on invisible moats and mispricing 09:05 Jared Dillian challenges Munger on 50% drawdowns 13:05 Risk-adjusted returns and the benchmarking trap 17:15 The interest rate risk hiding in core bond funds 22:04 Understanding your bond fund's duration 28:23 Why AI's inflation costs can precede its benefits 33:25 Why value investors struggle to sell 37:53 The life hedge: when your job and stocks fall together 42:47 Investing alongside clients versus managing personal risk Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  4. Sep 7

    AI Demand Is Real. The Accounting Games Are Growing. How Long Can Both Be True?

    Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler explore the AI investment boom, Federal Reserve credibility, accounting risks and the dangers of buying stocks to hold forever. Featuring clips from Dan Niles, Ben Hunt, Cameron Dawson and Dave Nadig, this Excess Returns Weekly Wrap connects rising AI adoption with questions about earnings quality, market narratives and the slow financial damage caused by gambling and overtrading. Topics covered: Why even the smartest technology companies can overinvest and misread demand How agentic AI could drive another wave of adoption, computing demand and business returns Ben Hunt's broken teacup analogy for reputation and Federal Reserve credibility Why central bank actions matter more when investors stop believing the rhetoric Cameron Dawson's concerns about Nvidia receivables, hyperscaler cash flow and AI accounting How leases, special purpose vehicles and one-time investment gains complicate earnings analysis Dan Niles on survivorship bias and the risks of assuming today's market leaders will win forever How Ben Hunt measures narrative life cycles, bursts and shifts in common knowledge The connection between declining trust in central banks and gold prices Why sports betting, overtrading and repeated small losses can quietly undermine long-term wealth Timestamps: 00:00 This week's lineup and Jack's unexpected action hero moment 04:09 Dan Niles on smart companies, AI bubbles and agentic demand 11:55 Ben Hunt on credibility and the Fed's broken teacup 19:46 Cameron Dawson on AI accounting and hidden cash flow pressures 28:13 Dan Niles challenges the buy-and-hold-forever mindset 32:51 Ben Hunt explains how to measure narrative life cycles 37:01 Connecting Fed credibility narratives to gold prices 41:04 Dave Nadig on the slow financial drain of sports betting 45:09 Gambling from income versus spending down your savings Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  5. Sep 1

    Bond Panic. Software Pileup. Borrowed AI Earnings. Are Investors Pricing the Wrong Risk?

    In this Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down why rising long-term bond yields may be justified by stronger nominal growth, large fiscal deficits and AI-driven capital spending, and why the bigger market risk may be an AI earnings bubble rather than a valuation bubble. Featuring Kevin Muir, Dan Rasmussen and Ian Cassel, the episode also explores private equity’s huge software bet, the traits of elite stock pickers, and how the worldview of AI leaders could be driving unusually aggressive capital spending and risk-taking. Topics covered: Why long-term bond yields may be more rational than alarming given stronger nominal GDP, inflation, deficits and heavy Treasury and corporate issuance How global fiscal expansion and the AI infrastructure build-out are adding to bond supply and upward pressure on rates Why suppressing market interest rates can distort an important economic signal and create unintended consequences How private equity became a lagged momentum investor and built massive exposure to software and healthcare technology Why recurring revenue does not make a business bulletproof, and how AI could challenge software economics that once looked untouchable Ian Cassel’s benchmarks for good, great and GOAT stock pickers, from 10-year outperformance to 20% annualized returns The five or six core investing skills elite stock pickers need, and why world-class investors become exceptional at one or two How AI CapEx can boost current supplier earnings while the buyer’s expense is spread over years through depreciation Why an AI earnings bubble could exist even if headline valuation multiples do not look extreme How futurism, expected-value thinking and confidence in AGI may be encouraging AI leaders to take enormous capital spending risks Timestamps: 00:00 Intro: Kevin Muir, Dan Rasmussen and Ian Cassel 05:09 Why suppressing bond yields could create new risks 09:54 Private equity as a lagged momentum investor 14:15 Why investment committees chase three- and five-year returns 19:00 The skills that separate good investors from great ones 23:11 Why elite stock picking takes a decade or more to judge 27:18 How AI CapEx is changing cash flow, buybacks and earnings 31:47 Price bubbles vs earnings bubbles 36:00 Why AI leaders may be taking massive CapEx risk 40:49 AI adoption bottlenecks and the need for skepticism Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  6. Aug 24

    Rates Keep Climbing. Stocks Refuse to Break. What If They're Saying the Same Thing?

    This week on the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down key investing lessons from recent conversations with Andy Constan, Liz Ann Sonders and Bob Robotti. They examine why rising long-term interest rates can coexist with a strong stock market, how rolling recessions and the shift from labor income to corporate profits are shaping the economy, why AI's biggest beneficiaries may be in energy and old-economy materials, and whether the bond market can really lose control of long-term yields. Topics covered: Why higher long-term interest rates can be consistent with stronger economic growth and rising stock prices How productivity growth, Treasury issuance and corporate bond supply can push real yields higher Why the post-pandemic economy has experienced rolling sector recessions instead of a traditional synchronized business cycle How stock market optimism can coexist with pessimism about unemployment, wages and the broader economy Why labor compensation has fallen as a share of GDP while corporate profits have increased What the labor-versus-capital shift may mean for inflation, investor sentiment and future policy Why the AI capital spending boom creates demand for cement, aluminum, copper, natural gas and other physical inputs How low-cost North American natural gas could support reindustrialization and give the U.S. a structural energy advantage Why renewables and electrification still depend on traditional energy, commodities and industrial materials How decades of underinvestment in energy and materials could create a long-duration capital cycle for value investors Why deep natural demand for Treasuries makes a disorderly loss of control over the long end of the yield curve less likely Timestamps: 02:15 Why rising rates and record-high stocks can coexist07:30 Rolling recessions and why the economy isn't moving in sync11:57 Labor vs. capital and the rise in corporate profit share17:39 Why the biggest AI beneficiaries may be cement, copper and natural gas25:26 Could the bond market really lose control of the long end?30:22 Where to find episode notes, transcripts and more Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  7. Aug 17

    Falling Rates. Rising Productivity. Are Good Things Bearish?

    In this week's Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down Jim Paulsen's warning that falling Treasury yields could become bad news for stocks if markets shift from inflation fears to growth fears, and Dom Rizzo's bullish case for AI productivity and frontier models. They also examine whether today's productivity boom is real, how AI coding tools like Claude Code and Codex could reshape white-collar work, and why recessions can create misleading spikes in measured productivity. Topics covered Why falling Treasury yields can be bullish when inflation is cooling but bearish when growth is weakening Jim Paulsen's case that economic surprise data could be pointing toward lower 10-year Treasury yields What the stock-bond correlation says about whether investors are more worried about inflation or recession Dom Rizzo's bullish case for AI-driven coding productivity and the rapid growth of frontier AI models How large the AI coding market could become and where OpenAI, Anthropic and other AI companies may capture value Why open-source and lower-cost AI models could dominate token volume while frontier models capture most of the economics Whether enterprise AI spending is evidence that companies are already seeing meaningful returns The challenge of translating more code and faster knowledge work into measurable revenue, cost savings and economic productivity Jim Paulsen's argument that recessions often create temporary spikes in measured productivity Whether today's productivity gains reflect a genuine AI boom, economic weakness, or some combination of both Timestamps 00:00 Why hearing the AI case you disagree with matters 04:47 When falling Treasury yields could become bad news for stocks 10:54 Dom Rizzo on AI coding productivity and who captures the value 16:49 Can we actually measure the economic payoff from AI? 22:52 Jim Paulsen on why recessions can create false productivity booms 27:00 What today's productivity data may be saying about the economy Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

  8. Aug 10

    We Reunited David Rosenberg and Rich Bernstein After 20 Years | The Misallocation They Both See

    This week on the Excess Returns Weekly Wrap, Jack Forehand and Matt Zeigler break down the AI capital spending boom, the risk that data center investment is crowding out housing and other parts of the economy, and what that means for markets. Featuring Richard Bernstein, David Rosenberg, Tian Yang, and Brent Donnelly, the episode covers AI CapEx, GDP growth, inflation, the K-shaped economy, AI ROI, and why rationality and Bayesian thinking matter more than raw intelligence for investors and traders. Topics covered Why the AI and data center boom may be misallocating capital away from housing and infrastructure What the dot-com bubble taught Richard Bernstein about investing where capital is scarce Why AI related spending is approaching half of business CapEx while ex-AI investment is shrinking How today's K-shaped economy differs from the broad economic boom of the late 1990s The difference between AI's contribution to GDP growth and its share of total GDP Tian Yang's Kalecki-Levy framework for understanding spending, savings, income, and economic resilience Why a pullback in hyperscaler CapEx could weaken the spending and income loop Why AI return on investment is so difficult to measure and how the profit pool could broaden beyond hardware Brent Donnelly on why rationality and flexibility matter more than credentials or raw intelligence Why persistent bearishness can become a major investing mistake How Bayesian thinking, position sizing, and changing your mind help investors stay in the game Timestamps 00:02 Rich Bernstein and David Rosenberg reunite and this week's lineup 04:10 The dot-com lesson: what happens when capital floods one sector 08:15 AI CapEx, inflation, and why today's economy is different from the 1990s 13:58 Kalecki-Levy: how spending and savings are keeping growth resilient 18:03 AI CapEx concentration, productivity, and the uncertainty around ROI 22:21 Brent Donnelly on why rationality beats intelligence 26:21 Strong opinions, flexibility, and Bayesian thinking 30:33 What traders and market makers can teach long-term investors Learn more about the Excess Returns podcast network: https://excessreturns.co No information discussed in this podcast should be construed as investment advice. Securities discussed may be held by the hosts and guests, their firms or their clients.

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Two Quants and a Financial Planner bridges the worlds of investing and financial planning to help investors achieve their long-term goals. Join Matt Zeigler, Jack Forehand and Justin Carbonneau as they cover a wide range of investing and financial planning topics that impact all of us and discuss how we can apply them in the real world to achieve the best outcomes in our financial lives.

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