Sensing Up, with Valérie Henbest

Smelly Cheese Co.

A wine, cheese and food podcast hosted by Valérie Henbest, Chevalier of the National Order of Agricultural Merit. Sharpen your tastebuds, fine-tune your eardrums and listen with all five senses. Join Valérie to explore the stories, the producers and craft behind exceptional food and wine, from the Good Food & Wine Show to conversations with winemakers, cheesemakers and chefs shaping Australia's food scene. Valérie is the founder of Smelly Cheese Co., importing and curating cheese from small producers around the world from her home at Adelaide Central Market. Sensing Up features luxury food recommendations and practical wine and cheese pairing that you can recreate at home. Sensing Up - a podcast of 'ideas worth tasting'. Shop: https://smellycheese.co • Instagram: https://instagram.com/smellycheeseco • Facebook: https://facebook.com/SmellyCheeseCo

  1. 6d ago

    Bold Palates: The History of Australian Cuisine with Barbara Santich

    Every dish carries a history, and every tradition we call authentic is the product of people, place and time meeting at the table. In this episode of Sensing Up, food is explored through the lens of history and culture, from the first colonial kitchens of Sydney and Hobart to the convent pantries of eighteenth-century Provence. Barbara Santich is Professor Emeritus at the University of Adelaide, where she established the graduate program in gastronomy, and one of Australia's most respected food historians. Trained first in agricultural science, she followed a fascination with language and France to the Sorbonne, then to a doctorate on the cuisine of medieval Mediterranean France. She is the author of nine books, among them Bold Palates: Australia's Gastronomic Heritage, shortlisted for the 2013 Prime Minister's Literary Awards. At the heart of Barbara's work is a clear conviction: "The culture belongs to the people. The land produces the resources." Australian food culture, in her view, has been taking shape for a century and a half. It was built by settlers who adopted and adapted what they found, from kangaroo steamer and fish cooked in paper bark to the picnic that became the chop picnic and, in time, the barbecue. Even the sausage sizzle, which left a newly arrived Valérie thoroughly bewildered, turns out to be a far younger tradition than most would guess. Traditions evolve gradually, one small element set aside and another added, which is why she locates food culture in living traditions and regional specialties, each one still in motion. Books discussed in this episode: Bold Palates: Australia's Gastronomic Heritage (Wakefield Press) https://www.wakefieldpress.com.au/product/bold-palates/ The Original Mediterranean Cuisine (Wakefield Press) https://www.wakefieldpress.com.au/authors/barbara-santich/ Eating in Eighteenth-Century Provence: The Evolution of a Tradition (Bloomsbury Academic) https://www.amazon.com.au/Eating-Eighteenth-Century-Provence-Evolution-Tradition/dp/1350329940       Valérie Henbest is a French cheese specialist born in Normandie. Her fine foods company, Smelly Cheese Co., based at the Adelaide Central Market, imports over 10 tonnes of French cheese monthly. She was awarded the French National Order of Agricultural Merit in 2023 and inducted into the Guilde Internationale des Fromagers, Paris. Sensing Up is a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop: smellycheese.co | Instagram: smellycheeseco | Facebook: SmellyCheeseCo

  2. Sep 2

    Sweet Carribie: Carribie Mineral Water with Damien Smith

    Water is rarely spoken of in terms of vintage or terroir, unless a source is distinctive enough to demand the vocabulary usually reserved for wine. This episode of Sensing Up turns that vocabulary toward a spring on the Yorke Peninsula, where a family has spent nearly two decades learning to taste, describe and finally bottle what lies beneath their land. Damien Smith is the founder and custodian of Carribie Mineral Water, drawn from a single aquifer on his family's remote property on South Australia's Yorke Peninsula. Carribie takes its name from the local word for where the emu drinks, honouring the flora and fauna of the land it comes from. Damien's background is in wine, including a career that began with Moët Hennessy Australia in the early 2000s, and it is that palate, trained on champagne and fine wine, that first recognised the property's water as something worth taking seriously. Together with his wife Gretchen, who is training to become Australia's first female water sommelier, he is building what they describe as the world's first terroir mineral water estate for gastronomy and wellness. Tasted from a wine glass rather than a tumbler, Carribie's structure becomes obvious: an initial sweetness from natural sodium chloride carried in on sea spray, a savoury, almost umami mid-palate, and a lingering, faintly glycerous finish that coats rather than simply passes over the tongue. Valérie and Damien tasted both the still and sparkling expressions side by side, drawing direct comparisons to the front, mid and back palate structure more usually discussed in fine wine and champagne, and arriving, glass in hand, at the same conclusion: a source this distinctive earns the language of terroir. Carribie Mineral Water is the Yorke Peninsula estate producing Australia's first terroir-driven mineral water, drawn from a single ancient aquifer near the family's coastal property. Water featured in this episode: Carribie Mineral Water Still: https://carribie.com/products/carribie-mineral-water-still Carribie Mineral Water Sparkling: https://carribie.com/products/carribie-mineral-water-sparkling   Valérie Henbest is a French-Australian cheese specialist born in Normandie. Imports 10+ tonnes of French cheese monthly, sells at Smelly Cheese Shop, Adelaide Central Market. French National Order of Agricultural Merit 2023. Inducted into Guilde Internationale des Fromagers, Paris. Sensing Up is a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop: smellycheese.co | Instagram: smellycheeseco | Facebook: SmellyCheeseCo

    Sweet Carribie: Carribie Mineral Water with Damien Smith
  3. Aug 12

    Deciphering Nature: Dilmah Teas with Dilhan Fernando

    Tea has quietly become one of the clearest signals of where wellness culture is heading, and Dilmah has spent forty years proving that an ethical, family-run business creating a superior product is a recipe for success. Dilhan Fernando returns to Sensing Up as Chairman and CEO of Dilmah, the Ceylon tea house his father, Merrill J. Fernando, built from a single conviction that tea should carry the name of its origin rather than disappear into a blend. Dilhan still walks the gardens and picks the leaf himself, understands the biochemistry behind a bright cup as fluently as the ceremony of drinking one, and holds an adjunct professorship in sustainability at Edith Cowan University alongside his role at the company. Underneath all of it sits a working philosophy Dilhan returns to more than once: value has to be created for people and for nature before a business has earned the right to create it for itself. Anything else, he says plainly, is parasitic. It is a hard line to hold in an industry built on margin, and rarer still to hear a CEO say it out loud. The tasting brought the two crafts together properly. Valérie poured Dilmah's Paradise Breakfast, a Ceylon black tea lifted with real turmeric, Ceylon cinnamon, ginger and a whisper of pepper, alongside a wedge of Reypenaer XO, a Gouda aged three years in Amsterdam until it turns to caramel, cognac and walnut. The spice in the tea met the cheese's sweetness somewhere in the middle, and what followed was less a pairing than a small proof of Dilhan's own argument, that when something is grown and made with attention, it doesn't need to compete with what sits beside it. Dilmah is a family-run Ceylon tea house specialising in single-origin tea, founded by Merrill J. Fernando and now led by his son, Dilhan. Tea in this episode: Paradise Breakfast: Ceylon black tea with turmeric, cinnamon and ginger https://shop.dilmahtea.com.au/collections/wellness/products/dilmah-paradise-breakfast-ceylon-black-tea-with-turmeric-ceylon-cinnamon-ginger-40-tea-bags Paired with Reypenaer XO, 36-month aged Gouda https://smellycheese.co/products/reypenaer-xo-36-months Valérie Henbest is a French-Australian cheese specialist born in Normandie. Imports 10+ tonnes of French cheese monthly, sells at Smelly Cheese Shop, Adelaide Central Market. French National Order of Agricultural Merit 2023. Inducted into Guilde Internationale des Fromagers, Paris. Sensing Up is a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop: smellycheese.co | Instagram: smellycheeseco | Facebook: SmellyCheeseCo

    Deciphering Nature: Dilmah Teas with Dilhan Fernando
  4. Jul 15

    Walking with Kings: Thistledown Wines with Paddy Gilhooly

    Grenache spent the better part of a century in South Australia as the grape left on the vine until the Shiraz was in. That neglect, strangely enough, is part of what makes some of the oldest vineyards in McLaren Vale so prized today. Valérie sits with Paddy Gilhooly, co-owner of Thistledown Wines, the McLaren Vale project founded in 2010 by Master of Wine Giles Cooke and built on a patchwork of old Grenache vineyards that growers once struggled to sell. Edinburgh-born and now an Australian citizen, Paddy brings a perspective shaped equally by fine dining wine lists in the UK and a detailed knowledge of wine history. The pair discuss Grenache's uneven history in South Australia: its arrival with Scottish viticulturalist James Busby in the 1830s and its recent, deliberate return to favour among growers and winemakers willing to treat old, low-yielding vines as an asset rather than a burden. Paddy speaks to what a single vineyard, and at times a single row, can reveal about a place, and to the strange arithmetic of vines that produce less each year yet somehow grow more interesting for it. Valérie and Paddy taste together, a Rhône-inspired Roussanne Grenache Blanc named for a line of Rudyard Kipling's If, and an old vine Grenache from four vineyards in Blewitt Springs, paired with a cloth-bound cheddar matured close to thirty months in Valérie's own maturing room. What follows is a study in how the right acid and the right salt can lift each other into something neither reaches alone. Thistledown Wines is a small-batch McLaren Vale producer specialising in single vineyard, old vine Grenache. Wines in this episode: Walking with Kings Roussanne Grenache Blanc https://thistledownwines.com/our-wines/Walking-with-Kings-Roussanne-Grenache-Blanc-2024-p746740505 Fool on the Hill Grenache, Eden Valley https://thistledownwines.com/fool-on-the-hill-grenache The Vagabond Old Vine Grenache, Blewitt Springs https://thistledownwines.com/the-vagabond-grenache Paired with Cheese Culture 30-month Cloth Cheddar https://smellycheese.co/products/cheese-culture-4-year-old-cloth-cheddar   Valérie Henbest is a French-Australian cheese specialist born in Normandie. Imports 10+ tonnes of French cheese monthly, sells at Smelly Cheese Shop, Adelaide Central Market. French National Order of Agricultural Merit 2023. Inducted into Guilde Internationale des Fromagers, Paris. Sensing Up is a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop: smellycheese.co | Instagram: smellycheeseco | Facebook: SmellyCheeseCo

    Walking with Kings: Thistledown Wines with Paddy Gilhooly
  5. Jun 16

    Sixth Generation Wines: A Conversation with Bec and Richard Hardy

    Thomas Hardy arrived in South Australia in 1850, and what followed was the making of one of the country's most storied wine dynasties. One hundred and seventy-three years later, his sixth-generation descendant Bec Hardy is making wine in McLaren Vale with the same instinct for possibility. In this episode, Valérie is joined by Bec Hardy and her husband Richard for a conversation that moves freely between history and harvest, heritage and reinvention. Bec traces the arc from Thomas Hardy's improbable journey, through the branching of the family line, to the founding of Bec Hardy Wines in 2020 alongside the related but distinct Pertaringa label, now approaching its fiftieth year. Richard, a former financial services professional who came into the wine world via negotiation and a rather tax-efficient honeymoon, brings a sharp commercial instinct and an endearing candour about the business of wine. The conversation deepens over a glass of the Pertaringa Yeoman Shiraz, a single-vineyard wine drawn from vines planted in 1843, possibly on land once owned by Thomas Hardy himself. Bec describes the wine's intensity with precision: small berries, dark fruit, the beginning of secondary characters in the 2021 vintage. Valérie pairs it with a Burgundian Epoisses, and the result is, by any measure, compelling. Find the Pertaringa Yeoman Shiraz 2021 here: https://bechardy.com.au/products/pertaringa-yeoman-shiraz-2021 Find the Epoisses cheese here: https://smellycheese.co/products/epoisses   Valérie Henbest is a French-Australian cheese specialist born in Normandie. Imports 10+ tonnes of French cheese monthly, sells at Smelly Cheese Shop, Adelaide Central Market. French National Order of Agricultural Merit 2023. Inducted into Guilde Internationale des Fromagers, Paris. Sensing Up is a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop: smellycheese.co | Instagram: smellycheeseco | Facebook: SmellyCheeseCo

    Sixth Generation Wines: A Conversation with Bec and Richard Hardy
  6. May 15

    The Sand Beneath the Vine: A Conversation with Master of Wine David Gleave

    Australian wines have never been better, never more diverse, and the perception of them outside Australia has never been worse. It is a paradox that troubles David Gleave, and one he believes can only be undone through storytelling. Valérie sits with one of the most respected figures in the wine world: a Master of Wine since 1986, co-founder of Liberty Wines, and now the man behind Willunga 100, a small-production Grenache label rooted in the sandy soils of Bluett Springs, McLaren Vale. What unfolds is less an interview than an unhurried exchange between two people who have spent their lives paying close attention to what is in the glass and why it matters. The conversation turns to Grenache with a kind of inevitability. Once the most widely planted variety in Australia, it was largely torn out during the vine pull scheme of the 1980s, supplanted by varieties that suited a different moment. David sees its return not as nostalgia but as alignment. At Bluett Springs, where the vineyard sits at elevation above the Gulf of St Vincent and the sandy soils drain freely over a clay and limestone base, old vines produce fruit with a low pH and a natural acidity that needs nothing added. The sand, as David puts it, is the distinction. Valérie and David taste together, a white Grenache from the 2025 vintage paired with a brèbi rosé, the soft sheep's milk from the Béarn, and a red from the Trot Vineyard, with its iron-rich sandy soils and more pronounced tannin, alongside an Ossau-Iraty from the Basque Country. Two pairings that confirm what this podcast continues to find: that pleasure deepens in proportion to what you know, and that a little attention to provenance, to texture, to the particular acidity of a grape grown in sand, changes what is in the glass entirely.   Willunga 100 is a boutique winery in Bluett Springs, McLaren Vale, specialising in old vine Grenache. The name draws from the historic Hundred of Willunga, an administrative area of 100 square miles established in 1839, three years after the first settlement of South Australia. In this episode: the 2025 White Grenache paired with brèbi rosé (soft sheep's milk, Béarn); the Trot Vineyard Grenache paired with Ossau-Iraty (sheep's milk, Basque Country). Both available through smellycheese.co. Valérie Henbest is a French-Australian cheese specialist born in Normandie. Imports 10+ tonnes of French cheese monthly, sells at Smelly Cheese Shop, Adelaide Central Market. French National Order of Agricultural Merit 2023. Inducted into Guilde Internationale des Fromagers, Paris. Sensing Up is a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop: smellycheese.co | Instagram: smellycheeseco | Facebook: SmellyCheeseCo

    The Sand Beneath the Vine: A Conversation with Master of Wine David Gleave
  7. Apr 15

    The Words and the Wine: Nick Ryan on Writing, Tasting and the Soul of Australian Terroir

    Valérie Henbest sits down with Nick Ryan — senior wine writer for The Australian, contributor to The World of Fine Wine, Halliday Magazine and The Robb Report, and one of the most compelling voices in Australian wine today. Nick inherited the column previously held by James Halliday for four decades. It is, as Valérie notes, a big pair of shoes to fill — though Nick's feet are more than equal to them. Their conversation moves through the full arc of a life shaped by wine: from a childhood sip of Château d'Yquem at a cancelled dinner party, to King's Cross wine shops and backstreet Paddington newsletters, to the pressures and pleasures of judging hundreds of wines in a single sitting. Nick reflects on the difference between tasting deeply and expressing what you taste — and why the second skill is rarer, and harder, than it looks. The discussion turns to the future of Australian wine, and Nick is both clear-eyed and quietly optimistic. The industry is undergoing structural change, not merely a market cycle, and the wines that will endure are those that hold the line — old vine Barossa Shiraz, Coonawarra Cabernet, the finest Chardonnay coming out of the Adelaide Hills — while the era of bulk commodity wine recedes. Terroir, provenance and restraint are the story now. Voltaire wrote that writing is the painting of the voice. Listening to Nick Ryan, the line feels less like a metaphor and more like a job description. About Our Guest Nick Ryan is the senior wine writer for The Australian, a position previously held by James Halliday for over forty years. He also writes for The World of Fine Wine, Halliday Magazine and The Robb Report, and is a respected wine judge at competitions across Australia. Follow his writing at theaustralian.com.au. Try It at Home: Beppino Occelli with a Barossa Field Blend As the conversation winds down, Valérie produces a wedge of Beppino Occelli — a Piemontese cheese aged beneath chestnut leaves, dense with crystals and carrying a gentle, washed-rind salinity — alongside a pour of the Forage Supply Company's Baby Face field blend of Shiraz and Grenache from the Barossa Valley. The match is immediate. The bright red fruit of the wine finds the faint sweetness at the edge of the cheese; the wine lifts, the cheese opens. Nick reaches for more of both. As Valérie puts it: pure happiness, and it could be just around the corner for you. Seek out the Beppino Occelli at Smelly Cheese Co., and any bright, medium-bodied Barossa blend will do the rest. About Valérie Henbest & Smelly Cheese Co. Valérie Henbest is a French-Australian cheese specialist, educator and importer born in Normandie — the home of Camembert. She oversees the import of more than ten tonnes of French cheese each month, sourced from small producers across France, and sells from the counter of the iconic Smelly Cheese Shop at the Adelaide Central Market. A judge at major dairy shows, a masterclass presenter, and the recipient of the French National Order of Agricultural Merit in 2023, Valérie was also inducted into the Guilde Internationale des Fromagers in Paris. Sensing Up is the natural extension of all of it — a space to slow down, pay attention and let the senses lead. Shop online at smellycheese.co — find us on Instagram and Facebook.

    The Words and the Wine: Nick Ryan on Writing, Tasting and the Soul of Australian Terroir
  8. Mar 17

    The Caviar Whisperer: French Farming, Fine Dining & Finding Gold in Sturgeon Eggs

    In this sumptuous episode of Sensing Up, Valerie Henbest sits down with Guy de Saint Laurent — a Frenchman whose career has taken him from yeast factories and foie gras kitchens to the world's most exclusive caviar farms. Guy shares the remarkable journey of French farm caviar, the science and soul behind producing it, and why Australia's culinary scene is fast becoming one of the most exciting in the world. Bring your five senses — and perhaps a glass of champagne. We begin with foie gras — what it is, how it's made, and why it has become so controversial. Guy explains the natural origins of the gavage process, traces its history back to migrating birds, and shares why champagne, not Sauternes, is his preferred pairing for cutting through that signature richness. From there, Guy walks us through his unlikely career — starting as an export manager for Le Saf, one of the world's largest yeast producers, before moving into foie gras with Rougier and eventually finding his way to the world of premium caviar with Sturia. It's a journey that took him from Normandy to Africa, Paris to China, and ultimately to the Gironde river in Bordeaux. The heart of the episode is the fascinating, little-known history of French farm caviar. After the Bolshevik Revolution, White Russian exiles living near Arcachon watched local fishermen throw away the eggs of the native Gironde sturgeon in disbelief — and taught the French how to make caviar. That tradition survived until overfishing forced a ban on wild sturgeon in 1982, which eventually led to the birth of France's first caviar farm and its first harvest in 1996. Guy walks us through the extraordinary effort behind every tin — from hatching and hand-sexing 20,000 fish a year via X-ray, to biopsy, firmness testing, hand-salting with 300-metre-deep mine salt, and the philosophy of postponing or cancelling a harvest entirely rather than releasing anything less than perfect. Nothing is wasted: the flesh goes to restaurants, the skin becomes leather or collagen for medicine. We also explore how caviar has changed. today's farm caviar is low-salt, mineral and delicate — a world away from the over-salted Caspian product of the 1950s that demanded vodka as a palate cleanser. That shift has opened up extraordinary new pairings: caviar on burrata with a drizzle of olive oil, caviar folded into beef tartare with a Bordeaux Merlot, and an unforgettable silent-table moment with a Château Palmer 1967. Finally, Guy reflects on Australia's booming culinary scene — a "pays de la cocagne," or land of plenty — and why caviar is a natural fit for a country blessed with world-class produce from every coastline and climate. About Our Guest Guy de Saint Laurent is an international luxury food specialist based in France. He began his career as an export manager for Le Saf before moving into premium food products — first foie gras with Rougier, then farm caviar with Sturia. Since 2017, Guy has led the international development of Sturia, a pioneering caviar producer based in the Gironde region of Bordeaux. He is a passionate advocate for unexpected pairings and a firm believer that Australia is one of the most exciting food destinations in the world. Try It at Home: Burrata with Caviar This is the showstopping yet simple dish Valerie and Guy served at their Cheese, Champagne & Caviar masterclass. Take a fresh burrata and cut it in half. Place each half skin-side down on a small plate and drizzle generously with a good extra virgin olive oil. Using a mother-of-pearl spoon — never metal, as caviar reacts to it — place a small quenelle of caviar on top. Serve immediately. Trust us. Connect & Learn More Find out more about Sturia Caviar at sturia.com. Follow Sensing Up for more episodes exploring food, wine and luxury gastronomy, and keep an eye on Valerie's channels for upcoming masterclasses and tasting events.

    The Caviar Whisperer: French Farming, Fine Dining & Finding Gold in Sturgeon Eggs

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A wine, cheese and food podcast hosted by Valérie Henbest, Chevalier of the National Order of Agricultural Merit. Sharpen your tastebuds, fine-tune your eardrums and listen with all five senses. Join Valérie to explore the stories, the producers and craft behind exceptional food and wine, from the Good Food & Wine Show to conversations with winemakers, cheesemakers and chefs shaping Australia's food scene. Valérie is the founder of Smelly Cheese Co., importing and curating cheese from small producers around the world from her home at Adelaide Central Market. Sensing Up features luxury food recommendations and practical wine and cheese pairing that you can recreate at home. Sensing Up - a podcast of 'ideas worth tasting'. Shop: https://smellycheese.co • Instagram: https://instagram.com/smellycheeseco • Facebook: https://facebook.com/SmellyCheeseCo

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