Inorganic Podcast

Christian Hassold & Ayelet Shipley
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Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Interested in sponsoring the show? Contact ⁠Marketecture Media.⁠ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. 20h ago

    E91: Where Are All the Deals? | Why MSQ Called January Digital Its “Tentpole” Deal

    Agency owners keep asking us the same question: where are all the deals? They see announcements after the fact and wonder why no banker ever sent them the teaser. Ayelet has a theory, and it comes down to proprietary deals and a coverage problem most PE-backed CEOs don't realize they have. Christian makes the case that if you're running corp dev part-time, you're leaving at least half the market out of your line of sight. Your sponsor's BD team is stretched thin, and some banks intentionally won't send you a competitor's materials. In commerce and media, there are roughly 40 bankers worth covering, and that's a full-time job. Then we break down our feature deal: London-based MSQ, backed by One Equity Partners, acquires New York's January Digital. Full disclosure: Palazzo and Ayelet's firm both worked on this deal. We give the operator read on strategic value, comms, and post-merger integration risk, then argue about who actually won. What we cover: → Why agency owners aren't seeing the deal flow behind today's announcements → How proprietary deals work, and why sellers increasingly bring in advisors anyway → Why some PE firms now prefer that sellers have representation → The hidden reasons deals never reach your inbox, including banks shielding competitor financials → Why a $50M+ agency doing M&A needs a dedicated director- or VP-level corp dev lead → MSQ acquires January Digital (terms undisclosed): what January Digital brings in retail media and brand clients → Why this marks a run of European buyers targeting US agencies for media capability → MSQ's candid comms: calling its US media business subscale and January Digital a "tentpole" → Integrating an 80-person team into a 2,000-person group across London and the US → James Townsend's arrival from Stagwell signals MSQ’s commitment to integration → One winner or two? Christian and Ayelet disagree Timestamps 00:00 Cold open 00:25 Welcome to In/Organic 00:47 Market: "Where are the deals?" 01:59 Proprietary deals and advisor-led processes 04:37 Why part-time corp dev misses half the market 05:23 Why banks hide deals from competitors 06:34 Covering 40 bankers: what full-time corp dev looks like 08:44 Feature deal: MSQ acquires January Digital 09:25 Deal background and why January Digital stood out 11:11 Operator read: strategic value 12:31 Operator read: comms strategy 13:20 Operator read: post-merger integration risk 18:24 Who got the better deal? 20:07 Sponsor: Sifted Pro 21:00 Wrap and thanks 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E91: Where Are All the Deals? | Why MSQ Called January Digital Its “Tentpole” Deal

  2. Oct 23

    E90: Is "Chief AI Officer" Real? The BOL CEO Answers

    "Challenge Accepted": Thad Kahlow on Why BOL Really Appointed a Chief AI Officer | In/Organic A couple of episodes ago, Christian asked: is "Chief AI Officer" a real job, or window dressing to say a 28-year-old agency is now agentic? Thad Kahlow, founder and CEO of BOL, accepted the challenge, and came on to grade our coverage of his Brandcave acquisition, deal terms and all. This is a rare treat: an acquirer walking through the real rationale, the real structure, and the real post-merger lessons, then telling us exactly what we got right and wrong from Episode 85. What we cover: → Thad's background: fourth-gen entrepreneur, finance guy, and why BOL obsesses over pipeline and marketing ROI → What BOL does today: B2B demand gen for growth startups, mid-market, and enterprise (Workday, Honeywell, Dassault) → BOL's third acquisition: why a demand-gen agency buys a product and design shop (SiteLab and Upward were deals one and two) → The exponential-vs-incremental bet: product design, systems thinking, and AI engineering as the real prize → Why "islands of productivity" built on Claude hit a wall, and the "statistical middle" trap → Grounding AI in fact, not probability: BigQuery + Claude for conversational analytics ("76% confidence this campaign drives $5M in pipeline") → The gauntlet: grading Christian's Episode 85 calls, pre-existing relationship (50% right), a seven-figure cash-plus-equity deal (nailed it), and the real mandate behind Cody's Chief AI Officer title → Post-merger lessons from three deals: vision and values as the two pillars, and why every human counts in a tuck-in → How BOL operationalizes AI: shared lexicon, training, interconnected context, and documenting 28 years of SOPs process by process ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: "Challenge accepted" on the Chief AI Officer question 0:50 — Welcome + introducing Thad Kahlow of BOL 1:26 — Thad's background: fourth-gen entrepreneur and finance roots 2:09 — How the finance lens shows up: proving marketing ROI 2:50 — Capital or bootstrapped? The dot-com pivot into professional services 3:30 — What BOL is today: B2B demand gen across three client types 4:27 — Into M&A: the first two deals (SiteLab and Upward) 5:38 — Strip out the AI: why buy a product and design shop? 6:38 — Inward vs. outward innovation, and the growth marketing operating system 9:02 — "The human element is our greatest superpower": what Brandcave brought 10:41 — The "go-to-market engineer" trap and islands of productivity 12:06 — On Clay, Apollo, Six Sense, and putting the stack to work 13:20 — The gauntlet: was there a pre-existing relationship? (the try-before-you-buy) 14:50 — Keeping both offices and the remote structure 15:35 — Deal terms: a seven-figure deal, cash plus equity 16:17 — The real mandate behind Cody's Chief AI Officer title 18:22 — Why an actual engineer beats a prompt engineer 19:35 — Hardening probabilistic AI into grounded, factual recommendations 20:39 — Post-merger integration: vision and values as the two pillars 22:56 — The tougher shared-values question, and avoiding 996 culture 24:29 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 25:08 — Operationalizing AI: shared lexicon, training, context, and documenting SOPs 28:03 — Wrap and thanks 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E90: Is "Chief AI Officer" Real? The BOL CEO Answers

  3. Oct 16

    E89: The Kobe Bryant-Backed Agency Just Sold to a PE Firm

    Zambezi, the LA agency Kobe Bryant helped start, just sold a majority stake to Manna Tree, a private equity firm that has never owned an agency. It invests in consumer health and wellness brands like Health-Ade, Good Culture, Vital Farms, and Gotham Greens. So why would a brand investor want to own an ad agency? Ayelet’s team was on the deal, so she walks through the story from the inside: how Zambezi grew from a Kobe-backed sports shop into a creative, media, and production agency under CEO Jean Freeman, and how a working relationship on Health-Ade turned into a majority investment. Christian’s read: Manna Tree just built itself a marketing center of excellence. Plus: a third European buyer for a US creator agency in three months, Shamrock’s deal run, why PE is buying services in the “software apocalypse,” and a $2B bet on synthetic customers. What we cover: → Market update: Loops raises a $3.5M seed (a16z) to sell retailers one AI layer instead of four tools, and why retailers are notoriously hard customers → Feature deal: Manna Tree takes a majority stake in Zambezi, from Kobe Bryant’s founding investment (2006) to Jean Freeman’s buyout and broadening beyond sports → How the deal came together: a true process, but a pre-existing relationship built working together on Health-Ade → What Manna Tree is really buying: a marketing center of excellence for its portfolio, and operating leverage on both sides of the pitch cycle → Do competing clients stay? Why this was built on “additive, not duplicative” → Founder advice: how to pick a capital partner beyond the check, and why you study how investors behave in a downturn → Quick hit: SAMY (Bridgepoint) acquires Get Engaged in a low nine-figure deal, the third European buyer of a US creator agency in three months (after Mar4/Ad Results Media and Acast/Backyard) → Quick hit: Sailor merges with Shamrock-backed Mutiny (Palazzo advised Sailor) → The data: who’s doing the most agency deals (Mountain Gate, Shamrock, Trinity Hunt) and why PE is buying services right now → Quick hit: Salesforce buys Listen Labs for a reported ~$2B, 20x capital raised, for AI-run and simulated customer interviews ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: why would a wellness brand investor buy an ad agency? 0:51 — Welcome, Ayelet’s flu, and Christian’s London Lime bike hygiene ritual 2:04 — Market update: Loops raises $3.5M to be the “one AI layer” for retailers 2:54 — Why retailers are among the hardest customers to sell to 3:39 — Feature deal: Manna Tree takes a majority stake in Zambezi 4:06 — Who is Jean Freeman (and the Own It conference) 5:02 — The origin story: Wieden+Kennedy alums, Kobe Bryant, and the 2015 buyout 6:35 — How the deal came together: a process plus a Health-Ade relationship 9:06 — Podcast merch idea: “EBITDA is hot” / “This agency is hot” 9:43 — What was Manna Tree really buying? And do competing clients stay? 10:39 — The center-of-excellence thesis 12:20 — Operating leverage: taking the pitch cycle off both sides 13:01 — Founder advice: how to choose the right capital partner 14:02 — Watch how they behave in a downturn: who’s in your foxhole? 15:09 — Quick hit: SAMY acquires Get Engaged in a low nine-figure deal 16:57 — Why are European buyers paying up for US creator shops? 18:47 — Quick hit: Sailor merges with Shamrock-backed Mutiny 20:11 — The data: Mountain Gate, Shamrock, Trinity Hunt, and who’s doing the most deals 21:30 — Why PE is buying services in the “software apocalypse” 23:07 — Where the money’s moving: from home services to creator, retail, and commerce 23:40 — Quick hit: Salesforce buys Listen Labs for a reported ~$2B 24:53 — Can a simulated customer replace a real one? 25:34 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro, plus Episode 88 with Jon Thornhill 26:28 — Wrap 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E89: The Kobe Bryant-Backed Agency Just Sold to a PE Firm

  4. Oct 9

    E88: From Journalist to Founder: John Thornhill on Why Humans Still Beat the Agents

    A special one: Ayelet sits down with John Thornhill, founder of Sifted, also an In/Organic sponsor, for a wide-ranging conversation on building a data and intelligence business, what journalism taught him about founding a company, and where human judgment still outperforms AI in a world of agents that can scrape and synthesize everything. Sifted just made its first acquisition, so naturally the conversation turns to M&A: what doing his own deal taught a man who covers acquirers every day, and who the likely strategic buyer for Sifted might be. What we cover: → John’s background and the founding story behind Sifted → How a journalism background becomes an advantage as a founder, crisis management, tough deadlines, and knowing when “perfect is the enemy of the good” → Where the journalist instinct can get in the way, and why good people around you matter → Humans vs. agents: what the people at Sifted do better than AI right now → Sifted’s first acquisition, and whether more M&A is coming → What running his own deal taught him that covering acquirers didn’t → Why the human side of deals stays “hairy”, mindset, psychology, and behavior over numbers → The likely strategic buyer for Sifted: an obvious name like PitchBook, or someone you wouldn’t expect? → Rapid fire: what AI lifts more in 2027, journalism and human perspective, or the data business → The closing idea: humans can “taste” it, not just touch it, and why that’s where the value keeps going ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:45 — Welcome + introducing John Thornhill of Sifted 0:53 — Who is John, and the Sifted origin story 6:51 — How a journalism background became a founder’s advantage 8:17 — Crisis management, deadlines, and “perfect is the enemy of the good” 9:28 — Where the journalist instinct gets in the way (and the people who help) 9:28 — Humans vs. agents: what Sifted’s people do better than AI 18:49 — Sifted’s first acquisition, and whether more M&A is coming 20:26 — What doing his own deal taught a man who covers acquirers daily 21:09 — Why the human side of deals stays hairy: psychology over numbers 23:18 — The likely strategic buyer for Sifted, PitchBook, or a surprise? 25:53 — Rapid fire: journalism/human perspective vs. the data business in 2027 27:47 — The closing idea: humans can taste it, not just touch it 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E88: From Journalist to Founder: John Thornhill on Why Humans Still Beat the Agents

  5. Oct 3

    E87: Amazon is Coming for SaaS & More Deals in Social Commerce

    Every founder has heard it: "What if Amazon builds it? What if Shopify builds it?" The answer was always "they won't, it's not their focus." This week, at Amazon Accelerate and Unboxed, that answer stopped being true, and AI is why. Christian and Ayelet break down Amazon's move into free multi-channel selling tools and an ads agent platform, what it means for the Rithums and point solutions of the world, and why it might actually be good news for agencies. Plus two creator/commerce fundings, a TikTok Shop roll-up, and the one fight that ties the whole episode together: who owns the seller's workflow? What we cover: → Christian's move to Palazzo (joining Phil and Eric) and the commerce practice he's building, plus a run of closed deals since he arrived → A candid gripe: why it's so hard to get female founders to say yes to an interview, and Christian's outsized effort toward inclusivity → Amazon Accelerate: free multi-channel selling tools in Seller Central (eBay, Shopify, TikTok, Walmart) and what it does to channel-management software (Rithum, etc.) → The data question (via Scott Wingo): do retailers and sellers really want all that flowing through Amazon? → Amazon Unboxed: the new ads agent platform stringing together campaign intelligence, auto-optimization, and ads data management, and why it may help agencies more than hurt them → Confido raises: four software categories (chargebacks, deductions, trade promotion management) collapsed into one AI-driven product → Yuka raises $5M seed: end-to-end TikTok Shop creator affiliate management (17K+ brands, $4B in sales) → Common Thread Collective acquires T-Bar: the PE cross-sell playbook, and why "do more with less" TikTok Shop shops look like garage bands to a market that still wants to see 30 people in the room → Why TikTok is a volatile channel, and why investors need to back founders who can dance with it The through-line: who owns the seller's workflow? Amazon wants it from the inside, software wants to automate it, agencies want the relationships, and only one of the three is free. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: "What if Amazon builds it?" just came true 1:16 — Welcome back + tracking down Ayelet 1:47 — Retail Club, Amazon Unboxed, and a nod to the Power Digital/Piranha interview 3:08 — Big news: Christian joins Palazzo and brings commerce to the practice 3:57 — A lucky rabbit's foot: deal activity since joining (Sailor, Mutiny) 4:07 — The gripe: why female founders keep saying no to interviews 7:33 — Amazon's two conferences: Accelerate (sellers) and Unboxed (advertisers) 8:04 — Accelerate: free multi-channel selling tools in Seller Central 8:33 — What it does to channel-management software (Rithum and others) 9:03 — The Scott Wingo nuance: the data question for retailers and sellers 9:36 — Unboxed: the new ads agent platform 10:09 — Why Amazon just decided to build it all anyway 12:23 — Why this is probably good for agencies (consistency in client experience) 14:02 — Deal: Confido and collapsing four software categories into one 15:32 — Deal: Yuka raises $5M for end-to-end TikTok Shop creator management 16:30 — The number-one thing everyone's hunting: a TikTok Shop agency "not in a garage" 18:03 — Deal: Common Thread Collective acquires T-Bar 19:11 — Why scaled-but-small TikTok Shop agencies look like garage bands (and aren't) 21:34 — Why TikTok is a volatile channel and what that means for investors 22:40 — The creator-stack deep dive coming soon 23:34 — The PE cross-sell playbook: prove you have "one" before underwriting "three" 25:40 — The whole episode in one fight: who owns the seller's workflow? 26:24 — Wrap + subscriber Substack 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E87: Amazon is Coming for SaaS & More Deals in Social Commerce

  6. Sep 25

    E86: Proof Beats Potential: Inside Power Digital's Acquisition of pirawna

    Power Digital just announced the acquisition of pirawna and uptickk, a global Amazon advertising agency with a TikTok marketing platform. In this episode, Ayelet was joined by Britney Schroeder, who leads M&A at Power, to get the acquirer's playbook: how they source, what makes a business the right fit, how they run product diligence, and why their integrations actually work. The discussion also covers some of the detail of the acquisition process for pirawna Britney is that rare corp dev leader who came up as an operator, she joined Power in 2015 to build content marketing, ran multiple service lines, and owned integrations before moving to the buy side. That dual lens is the throughline of the whole conversation. What we cover: → Why an operator-turned-M&A-lead can tell within minutes whether a business will actually work inside Power (not just look good on paper) → Power's shift from service-focused to vertical-focused M&A, and why it started with clients, not deal strategy (Social Method in 2021, Cardinal for healthcare in 2025) → The Piranha / Uptick deal: how an Amazon referral connected them, why the CPG-heavy client base and proven social-commerce go-to-market made it special → Proof beats potential: why Power buys founders who've already executed cross-sell, not ones who only pitch the idea → How they knew Piranha was about to go to market (Palazzo advised sell-side), and why it was a competitive process won on culture → How product diligence has changed, letting two experts (TikTok lead to TikTok lead) talk for two hours while the room stays silent → When to bring the seller's leadership team into integration planning, and how to handle a nervous founder → Why transparency is the #1 cultural green flag Britney looks for → Aligning incentives via shared 2027 budgets and a weekly model meeting, integrating two weeks before Prime Day → What "great deal" looks like a year out, and what's next: retail marketplaces (Walmart, Target), more healthcare (Cardinal), financial/home services, creative, and influencer A masterclass for any founder thinking about selling, and any acquirer trying to make one plus one equal five. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:25 — Welcome + why Britney Schroeder and the new Power Digital deal 0:56 — Britney's path: operator since 2015 to leading M&A 1:57 — What the operator lens catches that other corp dev leads miss 2:41 — What Power Digital is today: a growth operator going AI-native 3:22 — The pivot to vertical-focused M&A 4:08 — Why vertical focus started with clients, not deal strategy 6:03 — Why vertical expertise beats a generalist approach 6:47 — The Piranha / Uptick deal: what made it the right fit 8:13 — The Amazon referral, and reading a founder's regard for their team 8:33 — Proof over pitch: they'd already built a go-to-market around Uptick 9:27 — The difference between "we could cross-sell" and having actually done it 10:55 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 11:34 — Were they on market? The fortuitous timing and competitive process 13:07 — Product diligence: how it's changed and why it's night and day vs. five years ago 15:30 — Asking better questions and getting the right experts in the room 16:09 — Letting two TikTok leads talk for two hours while the room goes silent 17:03 — Bringing the seller's leadership into diligence, not just top-to-top 18:08 — Handling a founder nervous about looping in their team 19:39 — Why the first three layers of leadership are a non-starter to skip 20:20 — What made this a no-brainer beyond size and culture 21:08 — Why transparency is the #1 cultural green flag 22:21 — Aligning founders and incentives: shared 2027 budgets, weekly model meeting 23:32 — Integrating two weeks before Prime Day, and testing cross-sell early 24:25 — What a "great deal" looks like one year out 25:40 — What's next for Power: marketplaces, healthcare, and more verticals 27:11 — Build vs. buy, and the CPG investment 28:03 — Wrap and congrats 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E86: Proof Beats Potential: Inside Power Digital's Acquisition of pirawna

  7. Sep 18

    E85: Is "Chief AI Officer" a Real Job? Inside BOL's Brandcave Tuck-In

    This week a ~50-person B2B agency in San Diego bought a sub-10-person design shop in Austin, and the headline wasn't the deal, it was the title handed to the acquired founder: Chief AI Officer. So the question is simple: is Chief AI Officer a real job, or window dressing to announce "we're an agentic agency now"? In this solo edition (Ayelet's back next week), Christian runs his operator's read on a textbook capability-and-leader tuck-in, plus a fresh European PE war chest, the creator-commerce infrastructure gold rush, and a $180M raise that Google may have just poked a hole in. What we cover: → Market update: Cinven closes a ~$2.7B second strategic fund (75% bigger than the last), completes the Salsify buy, and signals a real commerce thesis → The creator-commerce infrastructure wave: Fluencify's 4.3Mpre-seed(2M ARR, 13K creators, 85 countries), on the heels of Levanta and Backyard, and the open TAM question → AMS Fulfillment (Fort Point) acquires Vox Fulfillment, more 3PL roll-up energy after last week's Descartes/Extensiv → Feature deal: BOL (Business Online) acquires Brandcave, why a 28-year-old B2B demand-gen agency buys a design shop and names its founder Chief AI Officer → The operator's read: capability + leader acquisition, likely a cash-efficient low-single-digit multiple with equity upside, and why the real PMI risk is culture and whether Cody can make the CAIO role visible → Quick hit: Profound raises $180M Series D at a $1.8B valuation (Sequoia, Kleiner), and why Jason Goldberg's Google Merchant Center post may be a shot at Profound's synthetic-prompt approach → Quick hit: Adobe acqui-hires Rylo (India) for AI marketing agents → Quick hit: H.I.G. Capital backs Click Here Digital as a regional agency roll-up platform The theme: small money, big intent. Another smart tuck-in in the summer, now fall, of 500 deals. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Cold open: is "Chief AI Officer" a real job? 0:31 — Welcome + solo edition housekeeping 0:52 — Market update: Cinven closes a ~$2.7B second strategic fund 1:40 — Cinven's commerce thesis (Salsify, Ongoing Warehouse) 1:55 — Fluencify raises $4.3M pre-seed, and the creator-commerce infrastructure wave 2:50 — Where the money's really going: the plumbing under creator commerce 3:30 — AMS Fulfillment acquires Vox Fulfillment (more 3PL roll-up) 4:00 — Feature deal: BOL acquires Brandcave, and the Chief AI Officer headline 4:50 — "A services company with the agility of a software company," every agency's 2026 BHAG 5:17 — The Hugging Face agent-takeover tangent 5:40 — Operator's read: a capability + leader acquisition 6:40 — Deal price: likely a cash-efficient low-single-digit multiple with equity upside 7:00 — Comms strategy: laser-focused agentic transformation of a 28-year-old business 7:39 — Why Thad doesn't take the banker calls 8:20 — PMI risk: why the nine people won't get lost, and the culture question 11:42 — San Diego vs. Austin culture fit, and institutionalized process risk 13:20 — An open invite: how do a B2B agency and a design shop fit beyond the AI story? 14:07 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 14:40 — Quick hit: Profound raises $180M at a $1.8B valuation 16:22 — Jason Goldberg, Google Merchant Center, and the synthetic-prompt problem 18:40 — Does Google partner with, or acquire, Profound? 19:20 — Quick hit: Adobe acqui-hires Rylo (India) 20:20 — Quick hit: H.I.G. Capital backs Click Here Digital 21:02 — The subscriber-only Substack, and wrap 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

    E85: Is "Chief AI Officer" a Real Job? Inside BOL's Brandcave Tuck-In

  8. Sep 11

    E84: The Momentum Premium & PE's 2nd Bet on Product Data

    Gut check for founders: your company's growing fast, customers love you, the forecast is strong. So when should you sell? In this solo Labor Day edition (Ayelet's off enjoying Europe), Christian makes the uncomfortable case backed by data: buyers pay up for momentum, not for a fixer-upper, and the momentum premium is gone the moment you actually need it. He unpacks the wave of startups quietly buying other startups (~540 year-to-date per Crunchbase), then breaks down two feature deals that sit at opposite ends of the momentum spectrum, one raising from strength, one doing M&A to batten down the hatches, plus two quick hits. What we cover: → The startups-buying-startups trend: OpenAI (8 deals), Anthropic (5), MoonPay (5), and why buying a team can be faster than building the capability (3-4 quarters of R&D in one transaction) → Why "firing on all cylinders" is the strongest signal to at least explore a sale, and the Airtable cautionary tale ($11-12B to a $1B sale) → Momentum deal: Levanta raises $22M Series B (Volition) at 80% growth, 90K vetted creators, riding a creator-economy market Goldman sizes at $480B by 2027 → Feature deal #1 (strength): Perion buys PRN for up to $12M, all cash, no earn-out, ~4x forward EBITDA for exclusive in-store screens across 7,400+ locations (Costco, Walmart, and a national healthcare retailer), and why a battered post-Microsoft-Bing ad tech company had to go shopping → Feature deal #2 (product data): a second European PE firm (Tenzing) bets on Pimcore, the open-source-to-open-core PIM/MDM/DXP play, and how it contrasts with Cinven's Salsify deal (front-end vs. retailer-facing) → Why perfect, AI-ready product data is suddenly the hottest boring category in commerce, and whose ears are hot next (Akeneo, Productsup, Stibo) → Quick hits: Descartes acquires Extensiv ($120M all cash) and Integrate acquires CaliberMind (closed-loop B2B demand gen) The lesson: the best deals get done from a position of strength. The tough ones get done from need. Both can be smart, but the momentum premium doesn't wait. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:12 — Cold open: founder gut check, when should you sell? 1:47 — Welcome + Labor Day solo edition 2:38 — Market feature: ~540 startups bought by startups in 2026 (Crunchbase) 4:02 — Why it's often faster to buy a team than build the capability 4:31 — The strongest signal to sell is when you're firing on all cylinders 5:11 — The TAM question, the Claude commerce features, and reading where the puck is going 6:17 — Building strategic-buyer relationships early, and the Airtable cautionary tale 6:55 — Momentum deal: Levanta raises $22M Series B at 80% growth 7:48 — Feature deal #1: Perion acquires PRN for up to $12M (all cash) 9:34 — Operator's read: buying the last inch before purchase 10:40 — Why a post-Microsoft-Bing Perion had to go shopping 11:06 — Deal price: ~4x forward EBITDA, and why it's a steal 11:36 — Comms strategy and low PMI risk (with a watch item on retailer contracts) 13:01 — Sponsor: Sifted Pro 13:46 — Feature deal #2: Tenzing invests in Pimcore (PIM/MDM/DXP) 14:39 — MDM vs. PIM, and Pimcore's open-source-to-open-core shift 16:08 — Operator's read: Christian's home turf (and Salsify disclosure) 17:11 — Front-end vs. retailer-facing: Pimcore vs. Salsify positioning 18:42 — Deal price: undisclosed, but likely in Tenzing's $50-100M range 19:36 — Comms strategy: the AI-data-foundation framing, and why it's thin 20:13 — PMI risk: the open-source-to-open-core monetization bet (ask Adobe about Magento) 21:00 — Final thought: AI-ready product data is the hottest boring category in commerce 21:44 — Quick hit: Descartes acquires Extensiv ($120M all cash) 22:47 — Quick hit: Integrate acquires CaliberMind (closed-loop demand gen) 23:19 — The lesson: the best deals get done from strength 24:19 — Wrap + a nod to Episode 83 with Luke Smith of Croud 🎙️ Part of the Marketecture Media Network | Sponsored by Sifted Pro (sifted.eu/inorganic) 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co

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Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Interested in sponsoring the show? Contact ⁠Marketecture Media.⁠ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Christian Hassold & Ayelet Shipley
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    95
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