Inorganic Podcast

Christian Hassold & Ayelet Shipley

Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. Jul 17

    E76: We Got the Criteo Deal Wrong: Here's the $2.9B Deal I'd Actually Do

    Last week Christian called Vista's rumored bid for Criteo "cheap" and left it at a throwaway line: three to four times.. what? A few people texted him afterward and said he could have done better; he agreed. So this week, solo from an undisclosed location while Ayelet celebrates her 30th in LA, Christian goes deep. A full side-by-side of Criteo and LiveRamp, a walkthrough of why the multiple gap between them makes almost no sense on the financials, and a concrete bull case: pay $58 a share, a 200%+ premium, then run an M&A play to build the agentic commerce OS for brands and retail. The thesis isn't buy it cheap. It's buy it decisively. What we cover: Who actually leaked the Vista story (and why Criteo's repeated phantom-deal leaks are a comms problem), the Criteo vs. LiveRamp side-by-side on revenue growth, revenue mix, EBITDA, and free cash flow, why LiveRamp's 107% net retention is at real risk once Publicis owns it, why Criteo's transactional model might be the safer bet in an agentic era where subscription pricing is under fire, the AI option value nobody's pricing in, and three specific M&A targets that would fix Criteo's biggest gap: no Amazon, no Walmart. Plus two deals worth flagging: Podean's fifth acquisition (Social Commerce Club) and Brunner buying AdSkate. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:26 — Solo episode, life changes, and happy 30th to Ayelet 0:50 — Why we're revisiting Criteo/Vista: "you really could have done better" 1:30 — The backstory: Bloomberg, Reuters, and a 50% premium at ~$3.7B implied 2:00 — Who leaked it? Why back channels point at Criteo, not Vista 2:30 — Criteo's leak engine: Microsoft, Walmart, Skai — deals that never materialized 3:00 — The headline thesis: pay 2.5x revenue ex-TAC, then run an M&A play 4:00 — Side-by-side setup: Criteo vs. LiveRamp 4:30 — Revenue growth: LiveRamp at 9%, Criteo at 1% (and why that's misleading) 5:15 — Growth quality: the Roundel and Uber Eats churn, and 16% underlying retail media growth 5:45 — Why LiveRamp's 107% net retention is at risk under Publicis ownership 6:30 — Revenue type: true SaaS vs. transactional media economics 7:00 — Why subscription models are under fire in the agentic era 7:45 — EBITDA: Criteo at $407M vs. LiveRamp at $185M, at a quarter of the multiple 8:30 — Free cash flow: both are cash compounders with clean balance sheets 9:15 — Strategic buyers pay up, financial buyers don't — but Vista usually pays 10-20x 9:45 — The AI option value nobody's pricing: OpenAI's ChatGPT ads pilot, 2x AI-referred conversions 10:30 — The real asset: 4,100 brands, 225 retail media networks, $1B in quarterly activated spend 11:15 — The bull case: $58/share, $2.9B equity value, a 203% premium 12:00 — Why no board can responsibly ignore an offer like this 12:30 — M&A target #1: Skai — solves Amazon and Walmart, and they already know each other 13:30 — M&A target #2: Pacvue (Advent) — Amazon, Walmart, Instacart muscle (and the Helium 10 problem) 14:15 — Why The Trade Desk's April integrations create urgency 14:45 — M&A target #3: digital shelf analytics — and the Profitero/Publicis precedent 16:00 — The Christian math, summarized 17:00 — Deal hit: Podean acquires Social Commerce Club (deal #5) 17:45 — Deal hit: Brunner acquires AdScape — creative intelligence as an AI play 18:30 — Why more deals are moving to our Substack, and what's coming next 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E76: We Got the Criteo Deal Wrong: Here's the $2.9B Deal I'd Actually Do
  2. Jul 10

    E75: Vista Wants Criteo Private: A POV on PE's AdTech Land Grab

    Private equity just bid to take Criteo private at a 50%+ premium and two of the sharpest voices in commerce & media read the exact same filings and reached opposite conclusions. Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold break down Vista Equity Partners' (with hedge fund Quinti Capital) proposed take-private of Criteo (Nasdaq: CRTO): the "melting ice cube" bear case vs. Ken Kubec's "Footnote Trade" bull case (reported retail-media revenue down 32% vs. ~24% underlying growth once you strip out an accounting change and two client roll-offs), why a business throwing off ~$400M in profit was trading around 2x EBITDA, the Luxembourg "re-domicile escape hatch," and whether Vista's playbook gives Criteo product oxygen or runs off its 900 engineers. Plus the market update on AI marketing-tech venture rounds (geoSurge, Vendelux), and two quick deal hits with very different structures: Descartes x Drivin and Banzai x ConnectAndSell. ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 — Intro: Market & Deals Friday 00:49 — Market Update: VC keeps funding AI marketing tech (geoSurge, Vendelux) 03:06 — Feature: Vista + Quinti bid to take Criteo private — the facts 05:55 — The Operator's Read (Christian): toll road, or mispriced commerce-media asset? 11:32 — The Deal Architect's Read (Ayelet): incentives & the Luxembourg escape hatch 15:50 — Quick Hits: Descartes/Drivin & Banzai/ConnectAndSell 19:40 — Wrap Reads referenced: Chris Sheldon: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/chris-j-sheldon_criteos-retail-media-growth-fell-from-23-share-7480304433730441216-MyKw Ken Kubec: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kenkubec_privateequity-adtech-retailmedia-ugcPost-7480605776760307713-dbqi 🔔 Subscribe for Market & Deals Friday — the strategic read on lower-middle-market M&A in commerce & media. Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Disclaimer: analysis and commentary only, not investment advice. The Vista/Quinti offer is as reported; Criteo has not announced a decision. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E75: Vista Wants Criteo Private: A POV on PE's AdTech Land Grab
  3. Jul 5

    E74: Walmart x Vibe.co: A Direct Shot at Amazon and The Trade Desk, SPS Exits 3P, plus 8 Deals

    Walmart just bought its way into the connected TV arms race, and The Trade Desk is the biggest loser. In a ~$1.4B deal announced during Cannes Lions week, Walmart Connect is acquiring Vibe.co, the self-serve CTV/streaming ad platform, to close a 10x gap with Amazon's ad business. Christian and Ayelet break down the deal from two distinct angles, the operator's read and the deal architect's read, plus a venture market update, hot tea on SPS Commerce quietly selling a business back to its founder, and eight rapid-fire quick hits in what's officially become the summer of add-ons. One venture update. One deep dive, two POVs. Hot tea. Eight quick hits. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:38 — Happy Fourth of July, and what's on the agenda 2:19 — Market update: JustAI raises $17M Series A (Base10, Y Combinator, Peak XV) 3:00 — Concord raises $3M seed for agentic media buying, and why Vibe.co's CEO is an investor 4:34 — "The Summer of Add-ons": why fragmentation is fueling M&A 4:44 — The deal: Walmart Connect acquires Vibe.co, the "Google Ads of streaming" 6:25 — The numbers: ~$100M revenue, ~$1.4B deal, 10-14x revenue (and why it's not an AI deal) 8:00 — Walmart's M&A cadence and the Vizio precedent 8:54 — The 10x ad-revenue gap: Amazon at $82B vs. Walmart at $8.2B 9:30 — The advisors and why this was a CEO-to-CEO deal 9:50 — The operator's read: a capability tuck-in that buys 3-4 years 10:00 — Is the CTV TAM actually big enough? The Brian Wieser cannibalization argument 12:00 — Integration risk: folding a scrappy startup into a corporate giant 12:26 — The France factor: why acquiring 60 employees in Paris is its own challenge 14:00 — Why The Trade Desk is the biggest loser (per Ari Paparo) 14:38 — The deal architect's read: the founders' first big exit, sold from strength 16:55 — Why $180M in retention may not hold founders who don't need the money 17:31 — The real make-or-break: keeping the team hungry inside a giant 18:00 — Hot tea: SPS Commerce carves out Seller Investigators, sells it back to the founder 22:01 — Quick hits: Revmatics/DataFeedWatch, Moburst/Hyperzon, The Independents/Phantasm 22:51 — More hits: Samba TV/Bestever, Yes&/Modo Modo, Arketi/Sperling 24:00 — Martis Capital takes majority of Deerfield Group (~$280M, 12-14x EBITDA) 25:00 — The consistent 14x agency marker, and how to break past it into strategic territory 25:38 — Final thought: this is add-on summer 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E74: Walmart x Vibe.co: A Direct Shot at Amazon and The Trade Desk, SPS Exits 3P, plus 8 Deals
  4. Jun 26

    E73: "They Sold the Engine and Kept the Garage" Chris Erwin on the Accenture/Whalar Deal

    Accenture Song's planned acquisition of the Whalar agency was called the largest creator economy transaction ever. The structure underneath that headline is far more interesting than the number. In this special edition, Christian and Ayelet sit down with Chris Erwin of RockWater, one of the sharpest analysts in the creator economy, to go deep on what Accenture actually bought, what the founders kept, and why the deal structure tells the real story. Chris published a standout newsletter on this deal, and we brought him on to share his expert POV: the carve-out logic, the multi-year partnership nobody has details on, the "largest deal ever" math, and what Accenture Song buys next. What we cover: Why Neil Waller and James Street sold the agency but kept the broader creator-facing portfolio (Sixteenth, Foam, Moby Ventures, The Lighthouse, Umi Games), what the undisclosed multi-year partnership likely includes — global infrastructure, technology, enterprise client access, and balance-sheet capital, how the "$500M+ largest creator deal ever" claim squares with a $225-300M outside EV estimate, why the answer is probably a meaningful upfront payment plus a multi-year earnout, how Accenture's Droga5 precedent and stated M&A policy help reverse-engineer the structure, why the real value driver is media spend, measurement, and the performance data that unlocks $100B+ media budgets, the "do no harm" PMI era and why a prior 12-month working relationship de-risked the deal, and who Accenture Song buys next — plus why there's a genuine shortage of scaled independent creator agencies left to acquire. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Show note: why this special edition replaces Market and Deals Friday 1:09 — Welcome and guest intro: Chris Erwin of RockWater 1:38 — The backstory: Accenture Song's June 8th carve-out of the Whalar agency 3:08 — "They sold the engine and kept the garage" — what that actually means 4:17 — Speculating on the undisclosed multi-year partnership 5:44 — Why life changes fast when you co-sell through Accenture's SOW machine 6:37 — Predicting how the integration goes (and why a prior relationship matters) 7:37 — The "do no harm" PMI era for people-heavy agency businesses 8:01 — Is this really the largest creator economy transaction ever? 8:49 — Reverse-engineering the structure: Accenture's M&A policy and the Droga5 precedent 10:36 — Earnout norms: 3-5 years on larger deals, 2-3 on sub-$100M EV 11:30 — Christian's thesis: Accenture is buying creator media dollars 12:04 — The big-picture framing: consultancies pushing into marketing services 14:05 — Why the materiality of the number unlocks everything Accenture can sell alongside it 14:53 — What Accenture Song buys next — bolt-on capabilities across the creator stack 16:56 — The real problem: a shortage of scaled independent creator agencies 18:01 — The creator commerce wave and where the next big deals get built 🎙️ Guest: Chris Erwin, Founder, RockWater https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrnov/ https://wearerockwater.com/accenture-song-buys-whalar/ 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E73: "They Sold the Engine and Kept the Garage" Chris Erwin on the Accenture/Whalar Deal
  5. Jun 21

    S3: The Boutique SI Eating Accenture's Lunch in PXM Services

    Steve Engelbrecht started Sitation from a rental apartment in Somerville, Massachusetts — five weeks after being laid off in the chaos that followed 9/11. Today it's a 62-person commerce enablement firm with a client roster of household names and a defensible niche the big SIs can't easily replicate. Recorded live at Salsify's Digital Shelf Summit in Atlanta, Christian sat down with Steve — founder and CEO of Sitation — for a conversation about building a services-plus-software business in commerce, how AI is rewriting the buy-vs-build equation, and why a 62-person specialist can out-maneuver Deloitte Digital and Accenture Song in product data. What we cover: The Sitation origin story and the early bet on PIM before it was a category, the three pillars of the business today (systems integration, managed services, and proprietary software), why the software-services convergence is playing out in real time, the "headless PIM in 2026" conversation with Salsify's CEO and what AI agents, MCP, and CLIs mean for the future of product data, how AI lowered the bar for participation and changed buy-vs-build, the Philips case study — a 111% conversion lift on a single SKU by optimizing content, not price, why 90%+ of Sitation's team came from industry and how that makes them stickier than the big SIs, and how Steve thinks about Sitation's future: international expansion as a platform vs. fitting neatly into a larger strategic's plans. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:26 — Welcome from Salsify's Digital Shelf Summit in Atlanta 1:00 — The origin story: first day of work September 10, 2001, laid off five weeks later 2:11 — Early to commerce enablement — and Boston as a commerce software hotbed 3:02 — What Sitation does today: the three business segments 5:25 — The 2019 "pick a lane" problem and why software-services convergence vindicated the strategy 6:16 — How AI is changing the buy-vs-build equation 7:36 — The "headless PIM in 2026" conversation with Salsify's CEO 8:33 — Salesforce going headless and the new customization opportunity for SIs 10:00 — APIs, the MCP revolution, CLIs, and why schema matters for AI agents 11:05 — How a 62-person firm out-maneuvers multi-thousand-person SIs 11:42 — Why this is a massive market, not a zero-sum game 12:30 — The Philips case study: 111% conversion lift on one SKU without touching price 13:30 — Why multinationals choose a boutique over Deloitte Digital or Accenture Song 15:46 — The strategic question: platform play or acquisition target? 16:29 — International expansion as the organic (or capital-backed) growth path 17:40 — Why Sitation's platform credentials make it an attractive, hard-to-replicate target 18:45 — Why you can't build Sitation's early-mover position — you have to buy it 🎙️ Guest: Steve Engelbrecht, Founder & CEO, Sitation | Recorded at Salsify Digital Shelf Summit, Atlanta https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenengelbrecht/ 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    S3: The Boutique SI Eating Accenture's Lunch in PXM Services
  6. Jun 19

    E72: A 14-Deal Week: Residence buys GateMaker, plus Bluebird's Recap

    Fourteen deals worth mentioning in a single week. And those are just the ones that surfaced. The week before Cannes, the dam broke. Christian and Ayelet break down the deepest deal review we've done yet — anchored by a transaction Ayelet's team actually advised on the sell side: Residence acquiring GateMaker, a female-founded creator and influencer agency with a blue-chip beauty roster. Plus a sponsor-to-sponsor recap in commerce services (Bluebird Group + Bertram Capital), and a rapid-fire run through 12 more deals across creator, beauty, luxury PR, B2B, and commerce. One platform investment. One deep dive. Twelve quick hits. Under 20 minutes. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:39 — Welcome to Market and Deals Friday — and a 14-deal week 1:12 — Did everyone wait until the week before Cannes to announce? 1:37 — Coming up: a special edition with Chris Erwin of RockWater on the Accenture/Whalar deal 2:00 — Market update: Bluebird Group partners with Bertram Capital 2:20 — Bertram's buy-and-build model and the Bertram Labs tech advantage 3:00 — Reading the deal size from a $1.6B control fund with a 43% IRR 4:00 — Why a relationship-driven commerce services business resists AI disruption 5:35 — Deep dive: Residence acquires GateMaker — a sell-side deal Ayelet's team ran 6:05 — GateMaker's founders, blue-chip beauty roster, and creator economy pedigree 7:20 — Did Residence already have creator capability? (No — this was the capability buy) 7:50 — Second acquisition in under five months: Residence is now a 9-agency network 8:44 — The Gemspring-backed platform build and why Residence is now an active acquirer 9:28 — The "anti-holdco" model — and Christian's pushback on the framing 10:42 — Why creator and influence relationships command a premium right now 11:30 — The cross-industry pattern: do-no-harm PMI for people-heavy businesses 11:56 — Advisors: Palazzo and Speed M&A on the sell side 12:32 — Brinkley the deal-finding agent and a 20-deal week 13:20 — Quick hit: Front Row acquires Carbon Beauty (second deal this year) 13:57 — Quick hit: Mazarine acquires Bacchus — luxury PR and UHNW access 14:10 — Quick hit: Huge acquires Rotate — composable commerce 14:27 — Quick hit: Motion Agency acquires LKHNS — B2B and video (Kim Everl's 7th) 15:30 — Quick hit: Akeneo acquires Pricing Hub — PIM moves into pricing 16:33 — Rapid fire: Mile Marker/Lyfe, Legion Advertising, Factual/Intelsio, Everything Branding/Darlington 17:44 — The week's only disclosed number: 2X acquires KnownWell at a $400M combined valuation 18:09 — Quick hit: Scorpion acquires One SEO Digital 18:32 — 14 deals, one disclosed price: the lower middle market buying capability quietly 18:52 — Don't miss the Erik Huberman interview (Ep. 71) + the Chris Erwin special coming up 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E72: A 14-Deal Week: Residence buys GateMaker, plus Bluebird's Recap
  7. Jun 18

    E71: Executing M&A with No Cash Up Front ft. Erik Huberman

    Erik Huberman has acquired 23 agencies in 10 years — and he doesn't pay cash up front for any of them. Recorded live at Possible 2026 Ayelet sat down with Erik Huberman, founder of Hawke Media, for one of the most candid conversations about agency M&A we've ever had. No spin, no posturing — just the actual mechanics of how a bootstrapped agency built a 23-deal acquisition machine focused on the lower and middle market that everyone else ignores. Erik breaks down the deal structure that puts growth (not cash) at the center, why he intentionally did 10 deals in one year to "break the system" and learn integration the hard way, the advice from a roll-up veteran that made him simplify his contracts, and why a third of his deals don't go well — and how he absorbs that without PE backing. What we cover: Why Hawke Media stays focused on growth-stage and challenger brands instead of going enterprise, the deal structure where Hawke guarantees the founder's profitability and takes over HR, accounting, legal, and operations, why "no cash up front" filters out the wrong sellers (and the ego trap behind it), how Hawke gets to a term sheet in three days, why over-complicating contracts benefits the person being tricky, the "would you do all 10 deals again?" advice that changed everything, why Mountain Gate and most PE want him to go enterprise — and why he won't, and what it would actually take for Erik to bring on a venture-minded private equity partner. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 1:02 — The Hawke Media mission: be the best at the lower and middle market everyone else abandons 2:04 — Three sides of the business: 23 acquisitions, a venture fund, and an AI tool 2:23 — How HawkAI started as a predictive analytics tool and became an internal advantage 3:23 — 10 years of M&A: from one deal a year to 10 in a single year 4:00 — Why Erik did 10 deals at once to intentionally break and rebuild the system 4:30 — The mistake of over-complicating contracts to protect the downside 5:22 — Putting the risk back on the seller — and the advice that made him reverse course 6:32 — The actual deal structure: guaranteed profitability, no cash up front 7:03 — Why a 23-deal track record means he never has to speak hypothetically 8:13 — Who this deal structure actually works for (and who it doesn't) 9:23 — The "I'll be a billionaire next year" founder problem 10:09 — Why founders get bogged down by the back-office work they hate 10:29 — Where Hawke fits vs. Mountain Gate, Herringbone, and the scout fund operators 11:21 — Why most PE wants Erik to go enterprise — and why he says no 12:17 — The "wild wild west" of lower middle market deals 12:29 — Three days to a term sheet: how the process actually moves 13:49 — Why "no cash up front" is the first thing he says, and the ego piece behind it 14:36 — Why simplicity wins: the rev-share story and avoiding the retrade game 15:21 — Doing this at scale now vs. before the name — why you can't just copy the playbook 15:45 — Why a third of deals don't go well, and why you have to be able to absorb it 16:45 — Acquisition isn't for everyone: you have to build the infrastructure first 17:23 — Why integrity and over-disclosure are baked into how the deal works 18:11 — "Ask me what I had for breakfast" — radical transparency with sellers 18:57 — What's next: dominating lower and middle market marketing, the reverse-franchise model 19:18 — Would Erik ever sell? Why he's not bowing out — but might take a PE partner 20:54 — Why he needs a venture-minded PE fund, not a traditional buyout thesis 22:38 — Cleaning up the balance sheet and earning the right to that conversation 22:52 — Entrepreneurship as a "mental illness" and the Mexican taco stand exit plan Connect with Erik on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikhuberman/ Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E71: Executing M&A with No Cash Up Front ft. Erik Huberman
  8. Jun 12

    E70: Accenture x Whalar (Agency), plus Walker Sands, Channable, Sitecore Deals Announced

    A month forecasted that Accenture was about to make a material acquisition in the creator space. This week it happened. Accenture Song is acquiring Whaler Agency — the most awarded creator agency in the Western hemisphere in a carve-out plus three-year partnership that's far more interesting than the headline. But is it really "the largest creator economy transaction ever"? Christian runs the math. The claim doesn't survive contact with a calculator unless there's a lot more going on than a simple agency purchase. Christian and Ayelet break down the structure, what Accenture actually bought (hint: it's the $600M in media spend and the measurement layer, not just the creators), and why this probably isn't the end of Accenture's media buying spree. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 0:39 — Welcome to Market and Deals Friday, June 12 1:20 — The victory lap: our Episode 61 Accenture prediction came true 2:06 — Why the deal took longer than expected (deals just take time) 2:20 — Why we didn't name Whaler at the time — protecting a people-heavy business 3:05 — When and how to tell your team you're selling: a real consideration for owners 3:46 — What happened: Whaler Agency joins Accenture Song, terms undisclosed 4:28 — The $44B creator economy and why Whaler sits in the middle of it 4:50 — The real prize: $600M in media spend + the measurement and data layer 5:33 — Reading it against the holdcos: consultants are coming for creator businesses 6:16 — The math problem: can this really be "the largest creator economy deal ever"? 6:50 — Why a $500M price on ~$12M EBITDA (40x) doesn't add up for the agency alone 8:00 — The carve-out + call option + licensing theory that makes the number work 8:30 — Is Whaler Agency just step one? Why Christian doesn't think so 9:46 — Accenture Song's creator build: 9 acquisitions in 2024 alone 10:16 — Why $600M in media spend is the growth-acceleration play vs. single-digit agency growth 12:28 — Moelis advised Whaler; Accenture Song's corp dev ran it in-house 13:46 — Why this is a planned (not closed) deal — and what shareholder disclosure will reveal 14:35 — Quick hit: Walker Sands acquires Rev Partners (Mountain Gate turns on the engine) 15:35 — Why Mountain Gate is already doing M&A less than a year into Walker Sands 16:00 — Quick hit: Channable acquires Metreon — server-side conversion tracking 16:41 — Quick hit: Sitecore acquires Scrunch — AI search optimization beyond traditional SEO 18:16 — The connective tissue: four deals, zero disclosed prices, all capability buys 18:31 — Why AI won't kill feed management anytime soon (the 20-30% false positive rabbit hole) 20:11 — The bet: Accenture's next move is about media, not agencies 20:38 — Structure over headline EV — the drum worth beating for every smaller shop 21:06 — Wrap and a Knicks championship wish 🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/Organic Connect with Christian and Ayelet Ayelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/ Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/ Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    E70: Accenture x Whalar (Agency), plus Walker Sands, Channable, Sitecore Deals Announced

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Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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