What happens when two communications leaders who have been circling each other's work for years finally sit down for a conversation? In this episode of the Communications Business Advisor™ Podcast, Tara McDonagh is joined by Gini Dietrich, creator of the PESO Model® and founder of Spin Sucks, for a wide-ranging conversation about where the communications profession is headed and the opportunities communicators need to claim along the way. From measurement and AI visibility to authority, organizational structure, and the evolving role of PR, Tara and Gini discover just how much their approaches complement each other. The result is less "either/or" and a whole lot more "yes, and." In this episode, Tara and Gini explore: How the PESO Model® has evolved from a framework into an operating system Why communicators need to move beyond measuring activities and connect their work to business outcomes The growing opportunity for Communications to lead AI visibility and "visibility engineering" Why communicators shouldn't surrender emerging areas of expertise to other functions The unique challenges women face when using and talking about AI at work How trust, reputation, and authority connect to the work Communications does every day Why Communications and Marketing should work together while remaining distinct functions The conversation keeps coming back to one idea: Communications has more opportunity than many in the field realize, but we have to recognize it, claim it, and demonstrate the value we bring. About Gini Dietrich Gini Dietrich is the founder and CEO of Arment Dietrich, Inc., a Chicago-based integrated marketing communications firm. She is also the founder, CEO, and author of Spin Sucks, host of the Spin Sucks podcast, and author of Spin Sucks (the book). She is the co-author of Marketing in the Round and creator of the PESO Model® and PESO Model Certification®, launched with the S.I. Newhouse School for Public Communications at Syracuse University. Gini works with C-level executives on integrated communications strategies that build relationships, reputation, and business results. A highly sought-after speaker, her expertise includes integrated marketing communications, public relations, reputation and crisis management, social media, content marketing, and business growth. About Tara McDonagh Tara McDonagh is a Communications as Business Advisor™ activist, advisor to Fortune 500 communications leaders and their teams, and Founder of Raise the Tide™ for women in Comms. Recognized by the Public Relations Society of America (PRSA) in 2026 as an industry champion/thought leader, Tara helps Comms. teams elevate their reputations as critical advisors while elevating our profession and the people in it. Resources & Links Communications Team Authority Index: https://www.taramcdonagh.com/authority-index/ PESO Model® and more: https://spinsucks.com/ PR Budgets Expected to Double by 2027: https://www.inc.com/victoria-watters/gartner-says-pr-budgets-will-double-by-2027-ai-search-is-why/91345318 Code For Good Now Report: https://codeforgoodnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Research-Report-The-AI-Judgment-Penalty.pdf UN Women AI Bias Report: https://www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/media-advisory/2026/06/ai-is-already-rewriting-reality-for-billions-of-people-it-is-getting-women-wrong Lean In AI Research: https://leanin.org/articles/findings/ai-women-gender-gap-data Visit taramcdonagh.com to learn more about working with Tara or sign up for her newsletter on advancing as a Communications Business Advisor, Level Up: Be Extra, and her Raise the Tide™ emails for women in the field. This episode is sponsored by Raise the Tide™, a professional development ecosystem for women in communications, helping them grow, connect, and lead with confidence through mentorship, coaching, professional development, and community. If you found this episode valuable, please rate and review. It helps more communicators find the show and strengthens our collective voice. Until next time, keep advising. Always keep advising.