What does helpful therapy look like when the goal is not simply more eye contact, fewer autistic traits, or appearing more comfortable than you actually feel? In this episode of Adulting with Autism, I talk with autistic psychotherapist and author Sean Inderbitzen about feeling stuck, rumination, body awareness, connection, and the importance of having a real voice in your own care. Sean introduces the approach he calls applied neural exercises: practices that invite curiosity and nonjudgmental attention to bodily experience. We discuss his use of polyvagal theory as a therapeutic framework, while exploring a broader question: what does this particular person want help with, and how will we know whether the support is working? We also talk about masking in context, sensory environments, basic needs, and why an approach that helps one person may not fit another. During the conversation, I demonstrate the movement I use while interviewing—and we notice what happens when I pay attention to how it feels. One of the most useful questions from the episode is one you can bring to a prospective therapist: "How do you respond when a client tells you that you're wrong?" Because support should include room to disagree, correct a misunderstanding, change direction, and say when something is not helping. Content note: This conversation includes grief, trauma, and brief discussion of suicidal thoughts and a potentially distressing clinical example. In This Episode, We Cover p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Sean's experience as an autistic psychotherapist and author. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Why he wishes autism had been discussed more openly earlier in his life. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> The personal vulnerability involved in writing about his own experience. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> What he means by "neural exercises." p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Flexibility and connection as individualized goals—not universal demands. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Looking at wellbeing across a person's relationship with themselves, close relationships, wider social life, and life overall. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Why the context of masking matters to the person making that choice. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Sean's explanation of polyvagal theory and how he applies it in therapy. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Exploring both internal distress and external conditions rather than assuming one explanation. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Food, sleep, shelter, sensory needs, and readiness for therapeutic work. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Approaching body awareness gradually when it feels difficult or overwhelming. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Stimming and movement as possible resources for noticing comfort, relaxation, or joy. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> April's standing-and-swiveling interview setup. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Discussing rumination as an experience someone wants help with—not simply as a diagnostic label. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Feedback-informed treatment and asking whether sessions address the client's priorities. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> What happens when a therapist's interpretation misses the mark. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Apologizing, repairing misunderstandings, and adjusting the work. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Questions to ask a prospective therapist about disagreement and feedback. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Supporting someone's regulation without trying to manage every aspect of their experience. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Using workbook exercises selectively while recognizing the role of their wider context. About the Guest Sean Inderbitzen is an autistic psychotherapist and author who writes for W. W. Norton about autism and applications of polyvagal theory. In this interview, he discusses Neural Exercises for Autism, his earlier work, and how personal experience has informed his approach to therapy. His discussion emphasizes curiosity, the therapeutic relationship, client feedback, and exploring what supports a person's wellbeing in their own circumstances. He describes applied neural exercises as tools for bringing mindful attention to bodily experience and exploring flexibility and connection. Sean directs listeners to his books through major retailers and to Instagram and LinkedIn to follow his work or ask questions. Search his name as Sean Inderbitzen; confirm exact profile links before adding them to the published show notes. Key Takeaways p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Progress should relate to the person's own goals—not automatically to appearing less autistic. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> A supportive therapeutic relationship leaves room for correction and disagreement. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Body-awareness practices should be approached with attention to comfort, choice, and pacing. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Movement someone already enjoys can be a starting point for noticing what feels helpful. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Sensory conditions and basic needs belong in conversations about distress. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> A therapist's personal experience is not a substitute for understanding the client's experience. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Repair includes acknowledging when an interpretation was invalidating and changing course. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Tools are possibilities to explore—not promises that every person will respond the same way Connect with Gary Coulton Continue the conversation about neurodivergence, self-understanding, and everyday wisdom: p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> The Positive Echo on Substack — Gary's weekly essays on making wiser decisions a little more often. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Gary on LinkedIn — Writing and conversations about wisdom, neurodivergence, clarity, and purpose. p]:pt-0 [&>p]:mb-2 [&>p]:my-0"> Gary's author website — His background, memoir, and reader reflections. Gary's Books Wisdomize: See Clearly. Decide Wisely. Live Fully. "A self-help book for people who hate being told what to do." Gary describes Wisdomize as a concise, practical guide for reflective adults who want to think more clearly, connect with their values, and make decisions with greater purpose and integrity. Rather than prescribing one correct way to live, the book offers invitations to reflect, notice, and explore your own responses. Available for preorder from October 12, 2026, according to Gary's supplied promotional information. Explore or preorder Wisdomize Reader endorsement supplied by Gary: "What I really like about Wisdomize is that it's not just another book telling you how to improve yourself. It actually gives you practical tools and exercises to help you reflect, make better decisions and take ownership of your own personal development." — Owen Williams, Co-Founder of Six Red Squares Demons to Champions: How I Fell in Love with My Neurodivergent Maverick Mind Gary's memoir explores his internal and external worlds: professional achievement, feeling different, self-criticism, relationships, and learning to understand his neurodivergent mind. He describes it as a book for misfits and left-field thinkers—and for the people who love, work with, or lead them.garycoulton.co Explore Demons to Champions A reader's reflection: "A compelling read, a beautifully written book which made me laugh and cry." — Reader review featured on Gary's author website.garycoulton.co Updated Episode Description Closing Continue exploring the ideas from this conversation through Gary's memoir, Demons to Champions: How I Fell in Love with My Neurodivergent Maverick Mind, and his practical guide, Wisdomize: See Clearly. Decide Wisely. Live Fully. For weekly reflections on making wiser decisions, visit The Positive Echo on Substack. Direct links to Gary's books, website, and LinkedIn are in the show notes. You do not need another voice telling you everything you should be doing. Gary Coulton's Wisdomize takes a different approach: practical reflection, everyday noticing, and questions that help you explore what matters to you. His memoir, Demons to Champions, shares the personal journey behind that work—from self-criticism toward a kinder relationship with his neurodivergent mind. 📖 Wisdomize: https://mybook.to/wisdomize 📖 Demons to Champions: https://mybook.to/demonstochampions ✍️ The Positive Echo: https://garycoulton.substack.com/