Side by Side

University of Minnesota Extension

Merriam-Webster’s dictionary defines “side by side” as the state “of existing beside one another” and “of being in the same place, time, or circumstance." What does it mean for rural and urban communities to live side by side? Join University of Minnesota Extension staff as we explore the interdependent relationship of rural and urban spaces and why this necessary and complex relationship matters.

  1. Sep 23

    Savannah Barrett, co-founder of the Kentucky Rural-Urban Exchange, reflects on 12 years of building relationships across rural and urban places

    Ellen talks with Savannah Barrett, co-founder of the Kentucky Rural-Urban Exchange (RUX), which brings together people from rural and urban communities to build relationships, deepen understanding, and strengthen civic life. Through storytelling, shared experiences, and immersive gatherings, RUX creates space for participants to explore differences, hold complexity, and imagine shared futures. Savannah reflects on RUX's origin and growth over the past decade as well as what she's learned along the way about the value and challenges of building place-based relationships. Episode Highlights:02:14 Savannah’s Rural Urban Roots 06:19 Kentucky’s Urban Centers 07:19 Founding the RUX Exchange 15:38 Water as Connector 23:14 RUX Rewards, Challenges and Complexity 27:07 Beyond Partisan Bridging 35:21 Media Narratives of Bridging Programs & Rural Places More Information:Savannah Barrett is Exchange Director for Art of the Rural, a national organization that works to resource rural and Native artists and culture bearers to build the field, change narratives, and bridge divides. She co-founded the Kentucky Rural-Urban Exchange in 2014, and leads this work alongside hundreds of Kentuckians to combine grantmaking, leadership and network development, narrative change, and institutional bridging to strengthen Kentucky’s communities across racial, economic, and geographic divides. https://www.kyrux.org/leadership http://kyrux.org/ www.artoftherural.org  www.graysonspringsinn.com Kentucky Rural-Urban Exchange https://www.philanthropy.com/opinion/a-second-chance-to-get-rural-america-right/ https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/us/politics/national-divisions.html?unlocked_article_code=1.DFE.Df0z.9bfFCQp7nUcr&smid=url-share  Questions, comments, want to get in touch?  Email us at sidebyside@umn.edu.

    Savannah Barrett, co-founder of the Kentucky Rural-Urban Exchange, reflects on 12 years of building relationships across rural and urban places
  2. Sep 16

    Pt. 2: Professors Simona Zollet and Meng "Mo" Qu explain how Japan's Local Revitalization Cooperator Program brings urban residents to rural communities

    In the second part of Ellen’s conversation with Hiroshima University professors Simona Zolett and Meng “Mo” Qu, they explore Japan’s Local Revitalization Cooperator Program, an initiative that brings urban residents to live and work in Japan’s depopulating rural communities. Episode Highlights: 04:05 How The Program Works 10:08 Mismatches And Pitfalls 17:57 Entrepreneur Funding And Risks 22:23 Staying Long Term  28:55 Advice For Other Countries More Information:Professor Simona Zollet is an Assistant Professor at Hiroshima University's Department of Integrated Global Studies and her work focuses on creating more sustainable farming landscapes through organic agriculture and agroecology, as well as developing new ways to connect producers (farmers) and consumers (eaters) and rural and urban areas within local food systems. She also researches the socioeconomic and environmental sustainability of rural communities and peripheral areas (such as islands) in Japan and Europe (mainly Italy). This includes examining rural in-migration (people moving from urban to rural areas), small business creation and social entrepreneurship, the use or creation of local food and farming heritage in innovative ways, and policies related to rural revitalization.  https://www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/igs/zollethttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Simona-Zollet-2  Meng Qu, Ph.D. (Integrated Arts and Sciences), is an Associate Professor at the Graduate School of Humanities and Social Sciences, Hiroshima University. He serves as Associate Editor for Tourism Geographies and Folk, Knowledge, Place. His research focuses on regional revitalization through cultural tourism, creative tourism, and regenerative tourism, examining international art festivals, regional cultural creation, socially engaged art, creative in-migrants/entrepreneurs, and sustainability as key analytical perspectives. Drawing on interdisciplinary approaches from creative and tourism geography and rural studies, he currently leads a comparative project on community-embedded art and rural revitalization across the Asia-Pacific and the EU, while also contributing to research on social change in island communities in the UK, Canada, and Japan. https://www.qu-meng.com/ Island Revitalization Documentary Series: https://www.sicri.net/islandrevitalization  Featured Publications  Qu, M., & Zollet, S. (2023). Rural Art Festivals and Creative Social Entrepreneurship. Event Management. https://doi.org/10.3727/152599523X16830662072107 Qu, M., & Zollet, S. (2023). The Power of Small: Creative In-Migrant Micro-Entrepreneurs in Peripheral Japanese Islands during COVID-19. In Adventures in Small Tourism: Studies and Stories. https://doi.org/10.2307/jj.7682663.13 Qu, M., & Zollet, S. (2023). Neo-endogenous revitalisation: Enhancing community resilience through art tourism and rural entrepreneurship. Journal of Rural Studies. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jrurstud.2022.11.016Zollet, S., & Qu, M. (2024). Creative newcomers and local food culture: Revitalization, sustainability, and place-making between rural and urban. Food, Culture & Society, 1–19. https://doi.org/10.1080/15528014.2024.2443331Zollet, S., & Qu, M. (2024). Revitalising rural areas through counterurbanisation: Community-oriented policies for the settlement of urban newcomers. Habitat International, 145, 103022. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.habitatint.2024.103022Zollet, S., Makino, E., & Qu, M. (2025). Urban-to-rural migrants and lifestyle entrepreneurs: Opening spaces of possibility for sustainable and resilient rural communities. In K. Tanaka (Ed.), Japan sustainability. Lexington Books.Questions, comments, want to get in touch?  Email us at sidebyside@umn.edu.

    Pt. 2: Professors Simona Zollet and Meng "Mo" Qu explain how Japan's Local Revitalization Cooperator Program brings urban residents to rural communities
  3. Sep 9

    Pt. 1: Professors Simona Zollet and Meng "Mo" Qu explain the relationship between Japan's rural and urban communities in a super (super) aging society

    In the first part of their conversation, Ellen talks with Hiroshima University professors Simona Zollet and Meng "Mo" Qu about community revitalization in rural Japan amid rapid aging, depopulation, and urbanization, and the relational dynamics between Japan's rural and urban areas. Simona and Mo describe Japan’s rural depopulation, strict immigration policy, and demographic imbalance in which nearly 30% of the national population is 65+, while in some rural communities, older adults exceed 60% of the population.  Stay tuned for the second half of the conversation in next week's episode, where Simona and Mo describe Japan's Local Revitalization Cooperator Program, an initiative that funds urban residents to live and work in Japan's depopulating rural communities.  Episode Highlights:03:03 Meet Simona and Mo 09:04 Tokyo’s Magnetic Draw 11:34 Japanese Rural Communities at Risk 17:05 Tourism as a Lifeline 20:59 Revitalization vs Development More Information:Professor Simona Zollet is an Assistant Professor at Hiroshima University's Department of Integrated Global Studies and her work focuses on creating more sustainable farming landscapes through organic agriculture and agroecology, as well as developing new ways to connect producers (farmers) and consumers (eaters) and rural and urban areas within local food systems. She also researches the socioeconomic and environmental sustainability of rural communities and peripheral areas (such as islands) in Japan and Europe (mainly Italy). This includes examining rural in-migration (people moving from urban to rural areas), small business creation and social entrepreneurship, the use or creation of local food and farming heritage in innovative ways, and policies related to rural revitalization. https://www.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/igs/zollet https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Simona-Zollet-2  Meng Qu, Ph.D. (Integrated Arts and Sciences), is an Associate Professor at the Graduate School of Humanities and Social Sciences, Hiroshima University. He serves as Associate Editor for Tourism Geographies and Folk, Knowledge, Place. His research focuses on regional revitalization through cultural tourism, creative tourism, and regenerative tourism, examining international art festivals, regional cultural creation, socially engaged art, creative in-migrants/entrepreneurs, and sustainability as key analytical perspectives. Drawing on interdisciplinary approaches from creative and tourism geography and rural studies, he currently leads a comparative project on community-embedded art and rural revitalization across the Asia-Pacific and the EU, while also contributing to research on social change in island communities in the UK, Canada, and Japan. https://www.qu-meng.com/ Island Revitalization Documentary Series: https://www.sicri.net/islandrevitalization  Featured Publications  Qu, M., & Zollet, S. (2023). Rural Art Festivals and Creative Social Entrepreneurship. Event Management. https://doi.org/10.3727/152599523X16830662072107 Qu, M., & Zollet, S. (2023). The Power of Small: Creative In-Migrant Micro-Entrepreneurs in Peripheral Japanese Islands during COVID-19. In Adventures in Small Tourism: Studies and Stories. https://doi.org/10.2307/jj.7682663.13 Qu, M., & Zollet, S. (2023). Neo-endogenous revitalisation: Enhancing community resilience through art tourism and rural entrepreneurship. Journal of Rural Studies. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jrurstud.2022.11.016Zollet, S., & Qu, M. (2024). Creative newcomers and local food culture: Revitalization, sustainability, and place-making between rural and urban. Food, Culture & Society, 1–19. https://doi.org/10.1080/15528014.2024.2443331Zollet, S., & Qu, M. (2024). Revitalising rural areas through counterurbanisation: Community-oriented policies for the settlement of urban newcomers. Habitat International, 145, 103022. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.habitatint.2024.103022Zollet, S., Makino, E., & Qu, M. (2025). Urban-to-rural migrants and lifestyle entrepreneurs: Opening spaces of possibility for sustainable and resilient rural communities. In K. Tanaka (Ed.), Japan sustainability. Lexington Books.Questions, comments, want to get in touch?  Email us at sidebyside@umn.edu.

    Pt. 1: Professors Simona Zollet and Meng "Mo" Qu explain the relationship between Japan's rural and urban communities in a super (super) aging society
  4. Sep 2

    Drew Arrieta and Michele Anderson describe the "Art of Rural-Urban Solidarity"

    Ellen talks with Minneapolis-based documentary photographer Drew Arrieta and Springboard for the Arts rural director Michele Anderson about the Art of Rural-Urban Solidarity project which used arts-based approaches to hold space for complexity and to foster dialogue, curiosity, and relationships across geographic and cultural differences.  Episode Highlights: 03:28 Rural and Urban Identities 08:07 Creative Change Coalition 11:53 Crossing Lines Phone Booth 19:04 Joy and Social Infrastructure 26:18 Other Projects and Examples 32:49 Why Rural-Urban Solidarity Matters More Information:The Art of Rural Urban Solidarity Go Home to Your "Dying" Hometown Heartland, Heartwork: A Field Guide to Place and Possibilitydrew.works https://springboardforthearts.org/ Drew Arrieta is a documentary photographer and interdisciplinary visual artist based in Minneapolis, MN. Working across photography, textiles, installation, and collage, their practice explores themes of resilience, solidarity, and cultural memory. Drew creates work that is grounded in care and deep relationship, often shaped through collaboration and long-term community engagement. Their work has been featured in Vogue, NBC News, and at the Walker Art Center, and they have received support from the Jerome Foundation, Minnesota State Arts Board, and Magnum Foundation.  Michele Anderson is Senior Director of Rural Strategy & Partnerships at Springboard for the Arts, where she leads the organization's rural strategy and stewards programs that support artists, creative community development, and thriving rural communities. Based in Fergus Falls, Minnesota, she leads Springboard's Rural Team and advances partnerships and advocacy that highlight the essential role artists and culture bearers play in shaping rural futures. Her work includes leadership of initiatives such as the Rural Regenerator Fellowship, the Rural Futures Summit, and the Falls Community Arts Exchange. Questions, comments, want to get in touch?  Email us at sidebyside@umn.edu.

    Drew Arrieta and Michele Anderson describe the "Art of Rural-Urban Solidarity"
  5. Aug 19

    Houston White, Pablo Obregon, and Emily & Glenn Swanson share what North Minneapolis, Willmar, and Carlton County can teach us about the power of "place knowing"

    Ellen talks with Houston White, founder of Houston White Ventures based in North Minneapolis; Pablo Obregon, Director of Community Growth for the City of Willmar; and Glen and Emily Swanson, owners of The Oldenburg House in Carlton County. Together, they share how their community development efforts in North Minneapolis, Willmar, and Carlton County are rooted in local culture, relationships, and a deep understanding of place. A central theme throughout the conversation is the role of music in building connection, fostering belonging, and strengthening communities. Be sure to check out the guest-curated Spotify playlist below to hear the songs that have inspired and influenced each guest. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1IvuM2wSLCCW8R58fOraLX Episode Highlights:03:31 Houston White Intro 05:47 Pablo Obregon Intro 08:19 Emily and Glen Swanson + Oldenburg House Intro 11:33 Jazz as Community Connector 14:06 Willmar Growth and Inclusion 16:57 North Minneapolis Culture Economy 19:16 Rural Culture and Local Assets 21:10 Placemaking and Philanthropy Gaps 27:50 Flattened Narratives and Pride 33:51 Rural Urban Divide Reframed More Information:Glenn and Emily Swansonhttps://oldenburghouse.com https://oacc.us, Oldeburg Arts and Cultural Community COOKIN' AT THE O: Jazz at Oldenburg House, https://oacc.us/cookin-at-the-o-2025/ Carlton County Anthem  Houston White Jrhttps://houstonwhite.co/ https://houstonwhite.co/themixtapestrategy Pablo Obregonhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/j-pablo-obregon-805281102/

    Houston White, Pablo Obregon, and Emily & Glenn Swanson share what North Minneapolis, Willmar, and Carlton County can teach us about the power of "place knowing"
  6. Apr 1

    RE-RELEASE: Camden Blatchly, Center on Rural Innovation data analyst, explains the complex story behind rural and urban classifications and why place isn't so easily defined

    While we’re working on new episodes for Season 3, revisit one of our favorite conversations, originally released on June 18, 2025.  Ellen talks with Camden Blatchley, a data analyst with the Center on Rural Innovation (CORI). Camden discusses the complexities of defining rural and urban areas in the United States, and describes the differences between the two most commonly used definitions: one developed by the Census Bureau and the other by the Office of Management and Budget. Camden explains how these differing definitions can paint different images of rural America and reinforce narratives about rural and urban areas as a binary, when in reality they are a complex, diverse, interconnected continuum of geographies, people, and economic conditions. Camden also highlights his work on the Rural Aperture Project and the necessity for more accurate storytelling and policymaking that reflect the true state of interdependence of rural and urban areas. Episode Highlights: 03:51 The Many Definitions of Rural 10:25 Racial and Ethnic Diversity in Rural America 15:42 Economic Realities and Misconceptions of Rural America 18:09 Rural-Urban Connections More Information: Center on Rural Innovation, https://ruralinnovation.us/ The Rural Aperture Project, https://ruralinnovation.us/resources/mapping-and-data-analytics/the-rural-aperture-project/ Defining Rural America, The Consequenes of How We Count, https://ruralinnovation.us/blog/defining-rural-america/ Who lives in rural America? How data shapes (and misshapes) conceptions of diversity in rural America, https://ruralinnovation.us/blog/who-lives-in-rural-america-part-i/ Who lives in rural America? The geography of rural race and ethnicity, https://ruralinnovation.us/blog/who-lives-in-rural-america-part-2/ The reclassification of rural counties and what it means for rural America, https://ruralinnovation.us/blog/the-reclassification-of-rural-counties-and-what-it-means-for-rural-america/  Questions, comments, want to get in touch?  Email us at sidebyside@umn.edu. We share your feedback with funders and stakeholders about the value of this podcast and how you engage with the insights and information.

    RE-RELEASE: Camden Blatchly, Center on Rural Innovation data analyst, explains the complex story behind rural and urban classifications and why place isn't so easily defined
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Merriam-Webster’s dictionary defines “side by side” as the state “of existing beside one another” and “of being in the same place, time, or circumstance." What does it mean for rural and urban communities to live side by side? Join University of Minnesota Extension staff as we explore the interdependent relationship of rural and urban spaces and why this necessary and complex relationship matters.

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