The A Better Way 2A Podcast

A Better Way 2A

The American gun community is more diverse - and more polarized - than ever. The idea of nuance is dying, but Jordan, Andrew, and their guests are determined to save it.

  1. Jun 25

    Dr. Butch Ware: Black Muslim Revolutionary Running for Governor of California

    We sat down with Dr. Butch Ware, the Green Party's 2024 vice presidential candidate and current candidate for governor of California. He's a tenured historian at UC Santa Barbara, half of a hip hop duo, a lifelong partisan of the black self-defense tradition, and the kind of politician you basically never see anymore because he's not on anybody's payroll. Butch converted to Islam at 15 after reading Malcolm X's autobiography in one night. He grew up in and out of public housing in DC when it was the murder capital of the world. He's running for governor with zero corporate or PAC money, got kicked off the primary ballot over a technicality, and is fighting it in court right now. The establishment moved on him because his coalition looks like nothing they've seen before and that scares them. This conversation went way beyond guns. We talked about why both parties serve the same donors and how he proved it by converting a Trump-voting couple into Green Party organizers on a 45 minute plane ride. We got into the black self-defense tradition going all the way back to maroon communities and slave resistance, why Malcolm said self-defense isn't violence but intelligence, and the fact that even King and SNCC were armed while practicing nonviolent direct action as a strategy. He broke down why California's strict gun laws haven't done anything to reduce violence and what actually works. And he wants to repeal the Mulford Act as governor. The man quoted Malcolm, King, Fannie Lou Hamer, OutKast, and the Prophet Muhammad's cousin Ali in the same conversation. We need him back. If you want to support the show, head to our Patreon for exclusive merch, extra content, and to help us build a more inclusive gun community. Edited by Matthew Boerger

    Dr. Butch Ware: Black Muslim Revolutionary Running for Governor of California
  2. Jun 1

    Jarrett Sleeper: Guns, Violence, and Why Nobody's Being Honest About Either

    We sat down with Jarrett Sleeper and this one went way longer than planned because we could not stop talking. Jarrett is an actor, a jiu jitsu black belt with about 20 years on the mats, a shooter, and a guy who thinks about violence and identity more deeply than pretty much anyone we've had on this show. He also has ADHD so between the two of us this conversation went everywhere. We got into why honest conversations about guns are so hard to have, the LARP that lives inside all of us and why nobody's actually John Browning their way out of this, what it feels like to hold a gun for the first time when you didn't grow up around them, why assault weapon bans don't actually do what people think they do and who they really end up hurting, treating shooting like a martial art instead of a static range hobby, the spiritual weight of living in a country built on violence it never answered for, why community trumps ideology most of the time, the DMV for guns idea and why it would work in a perfect world but not this one, and his motto "the real deal or nothing" and what that actually means when your morality gets tested for real. This is one of those episodes where we didn't agree on everything but we were thinking out loud together the whole time. If you've ever felt stuck between wanting the world to be less violent and also wanting to be capable of violence when it matters, this one's for you. If you want to support the show, head to our Patreon for exclusive merch, extra content, and to help us build a more inclusive gun community. Edited by Matthew Boerger

    Jarrett Sleeper: Guns, Violence, and Why Nobody's Being Honest About Either
  3. May 18

    Former Marine Turned Progressive Christian on Guns, God, and Arming Trans People - Brian Recker

    We brought Brian Recker on the show because a ton of people were curious about his views on guns and the Second Amendment. Brian's a former Marine officer, a father, a self-described stubborn Christian, and the author of a book about why the concept of hell is a toxic doctrine. He also doesn't own a gun and favors common sense gun control. So we knew this one was going to be interesting. What we got was one of the best conversations we've had on this show. We got into the myth of redemptive violence and why Christians keep backing every American war, John Brown and whether violent resistance can ever be justified, how the Second Amendment was never designed to protect Black people or marginalized communities, the killing of Alex Pretti and the hypocrisy of conservatives who support gun rights until the wrong person is armed, arming trans communities and why Brian sees beauty in marginalized people exercising their rights even though he personally chooses nonviolence, the militarization of police and how you can draw a direct line from fugitive slave patrols to modern law enforcement, and why the left has a massive messaging problem that keeps alienating the exact people it should be reaching. Brian came in not agreeing with us on a lot and we didn't agree with him on everything either, but we had an actual conversation about it without anybody feeling like an enemy. That's the whole point of the show and this episode is a perfect example of it. Brian's book: Hell Bent If you want to support the show, head to our Patreon for exclusive merch, extra content, and to help us build a more inclusive gun community. Edited by Matthew Boerger

    Former Marine Turned Progressive Christian on Guns, God, and Arming Trans People - Brian Recker
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The American gun community is more diverse - and more polarized - than ever. The idea of nuance is dying, but Jordan, Andrew, and their guests are determined to save it.