Andrew sits down with Jarlo Ilano, Physical Therapist (MPT) since 1998, former Orthopaedic Clinical Specialist (OCS), Certified Therapeutic Pain Specialist (TPS), co-founder of GMB Fitness, and martial-arts teacher of 20 years — to explore how people actually learn to move, heal, and keep moving across a lifetime. Jarlo traces three decades in physiotherapy: from a rigid, structural, biomedical model to the more nuanced biopsychosocial approach that recognises the interaction between body, mind, and context.He explains how good clinicians and coaches blend both — the bio still matters, but so do people’s stories, expectations, and environments. That shift, he says, makes practice multimodal and genuinely human. The conversation ranges through: Why evidence-based practice often misses lived complexity. The tension between efficacy (in controlled trials) and effectiveness (in the real world). How clinical equipoise, belief, and placebo/nocebo effects shape recovery. Why contextual effects aren’t noise — they’re the real environment of movement and health. From there, we explore GMB’s evolution from gymnastics to movement culture, the design of its Elements programme built on locomotion, auto-regulation, and reflection, and how scaffolded play and minimum effective dose thinking help people rediscover capability and confidence. Takeaways Good practice balances biological, psychological, and social realities. Play needs scaffolding: constraints + feedback → learning without frustration. Functional independence — floors, stairs, shopping, confidence — is the best progress marker. More on GMB Fitness Here WildStrong Webinar on Using Games & Play to Teach Movement Transitional Movement: Where Strength Becomes Skill (You CANNOT Skip This)