WILL - Women Interested in Leaving Law

WILL - Women Interested in Leaving Law
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The WILL Podcast - For Women Lawyers Searching for Freedom, Flexibility and Fulfilment. Are you tired of having to “always be available,” the anxiety, and a nagging sense that something is missing? The WILL Podcast offers an honest exploration for how to find relief, meaning and work that allows you to enjoy your life, (without throwing away all you’ve invested). This podcast is for any woman lawyer who has ever questioned if they want to stay in law or not. Here you’ll find a window into how others have dealt with the money, identity and figured out what else they could do (in law or out). Each episode is a journey into the lives of women lawyers who got fed up with the status quo. You’ll hear about persistent doubt, piles of debt, and physical and mental depletion. Our guests reveal how they navigated the expectations of workplace cultures and inner critics that keep them isolated and wondering “what’s wrong with me.” You’ll hear conversations not being shared beyond a whisper in the halls of big law. You’ll discover: * Inspirational stories of lawyers who’ve redefined success on their own terms * Strategies to overcome the common career pitfalls women lawyers get stuck in * Ideas for how to realign work with your deepest values and aspirations Hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst, the WILL Podcast is more than a good listen — it may inspire a movement. With WILL Alumni and Guests breaking the confines of traditional practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible for them, but for you too. If you think, “I’ve got to get out of here, but I don’t know what else to do, and I’m trepidatious,” you’ve found a sanctuary. WILL is where doubt transforms into daring, and frustration becomes freedom. WILL Book a Consultation with Elena: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call Web: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com Follow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglaw Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglaw

  1. From Law to Coaching: How Values Led Jessie Brown

    MAY 6

    From Law to Coaching: How Values Led Jessie Brown

    “What if nothing is wrong… but it still doesn’t feel right?” Jessie Brown didn’t hate being a lawyer. She had a prestigious career, stable income, and was at a “good” firm. But beneath it all, something felt off. After years of pushing through and ignoring what her body told her, Jessie reached a turning point. In this episode, Jessie shares her journey from Big Law to coaching and how she left behind a life built on safety to follow something far more aligned. We talked about: How you can outgrow a “good” legal career and what keeps lawyers stuckHow to listen to your body as a compass for career decisionsWhy curiosity (not clarity) is the first step to career changeThe difference between career coaching and deeper “soul-level” workWhy not everyone needs to leave law, but everyone needs alignment About Jessie Jessie is a former lawyer turned coach, purpose guide, meditation teacher, and breath work facilitator. She also facilitates sound baths and forest bathing. She’s a mom of two boys and married to a lawyer. Connect www.linkedin.com/in/jessiebrowncoaching www.jessiebrown.org https://substack.com/@returningtosoul WILL The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach. Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow Us: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawWeb: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    38 min
  2. Stop the Spiral: Give Yourself CPR

    APR 23

    Stop the Spiral: Give Yourself CPR

    Imagine having a simple tool to stop your spiral into doubt, fear, or worst-case scenarios. Imagine you easily interrupt negative thought loops.  You are able to intentionally reignite your motivation, clarity, and desire. In this episode of the [@] WILL podcast, I talk about a powerful mindset tool called "CPR".   CPR stands for Choose, Positive, and Repeat/Reignite. It was inspired by a coach I study with, Stacey Boehman who teaches “Intentional Thought Creation”.  As part of that I heard her say, “Choose positive thoughts, and then repeat.”  I wrote down CPR.  I am adapting her methodology for you.  CPR connects you with your heart's desires, and shows you how to break free from doubt and create momentum.  This episode is especially valuable for women lawyers (and high-achievers in general) stuck in cycles of overthinking, self-doubt, or inertia.  Listen in to learn: How not to “dance” with negative thoughts.Focus on positively-framed questions to create momentum. Repeat and rewire your brain and belief in what’s possible.Are you ready for a practical way to shift your mindset quickly and effectively?  Listen in now and give yourself CPR! Show Notes Stacey Bayman WILL The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach. Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow Us: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawWeb:https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    12 min
  3. 32 Years in Law: Then She Chose Herself

    APR 8

    32 Years in Law: Then She Chose Herself

    “What does your ideal day look like?”  It was the first time that Hillary Sobel had ever been asked that question. 32 years of feeling unseen, undervalued and “unallowed” to want anything else. 22 years of knowing that law was not for her. Then in the space of 10 seconds, her world shifted on its axis. In this episode, WILL Alum Hillary Sobel talks about her life transformation from 32-years as a lawyer to seeing her face on a Times Square Billboard.   We discuss openly: Why it’s NEVER too late to change careers (and what keeps women lawyers trapped).Why investing in yourself isn’t indulgent; it’s transformationalHow mindset work becomes the foundation for real reinventionHilary shares her fear, skepticism, identity shifts, and eventual success when she began to live her ‘ideal day’.   About Hillary Hillary began her career in law, grounded in an understanding of business and Corporate America from family entrepreneurs. Her practice focused on corporate-related litigation including securities and antitrust. After successfully practicing law, Hillary refocused her attention on advising growing, mostly women-founded, businesses. Through her consulting business, Minerva Turning Point Strategies, Hillary combines strategic thinking and curiosity to identify new pathways to growth. She has been published in Forbes Women on the intersection of profits and people, and in Medium on opening hard conversations to expand our understanding of each other.  Hillary’s passion for storytelling and advocacy finds an outlet in speaking and writing. From her Substack, “The Cowgirl, The Shark, and Stilettos” (and other upcoming publications including a chapter in an anthology and her memoir), Hillary connects current and historical events to the stories of our daily lives. Connect Contact: hillary@hillarysobel.comWebsite: www.minervaturningpointstrategies.comSubstack: The Cowgirl, The Shark, and StilettosLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hillary-sobel Show Notes Abby Womack Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abbywambach/ Book: https://www.amazon.com/WOLFPACK-Together-Unleash-Power-Change/dp/1250217709  WILL Transformhttps://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    35 min
  4. Crafting Your Legal Resume: Have the answer to “Why should I hire you”?

    MAR 25

    Crafting Your Legal Resume: Have the answer to “Why should I hire you”?

    In this episode Anne Marie Segal and I discuss how your resume isn’t a record of your past, but rather a strategic document designed to answer one question: Why should I hire you? Anne Marie walks us through the mechanics and mindset of moving beyond Big Law — without losing the gravitas that comes with it. We cover… Resumes, cover letters, and LinkedIn optimization.Networking strategy, recommendations, and how to “straddle” a transition while still employed.How to assess real market demand for your skills. This conversation is tactical and psychological — because transitioning careers isn’t just about formatting. It’s about translation, positioning, and clarity. If you’ve ever wondered how to answer the question “Why should I hire you?” — this conversation gives you the framework, the mindset, and the tactics to do it with confidence. About Anne Marie Segal ANNE MARIE SEGAL, founder and CEO of Segal Coaching LLC, partners with board candidates, General Counsel and other senior and rising executives to expand their impact and advance their leadership trajectories. She has helped hundreds of candidates prepare for job interviews and is excited to be able to help you today. Web: segalcoaching.com and segalcoachingacademy.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annemariesegal/ WILL The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach. Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow Us: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawWeb:https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    1h 26m
  5. Litigator to Mindfulness Teacher: Recovery from Burnout

    MAR 11

    Litigator to Mindfulness Teacher: Recovery from Burnout

    How Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction saved Courtney from Anxiety and Burnout.  If you feel constantly stressed, even when things look “fine” from the outside… If you’re looping in your head, replaying the past and worrying about the future…   If you wonder if something’s wrong with you or if working in law is wearing you down… This episode is for YOU!   I’m joined by Courtney Schulnick, a former litigator and mindfulness-based stress reduction teacher.  We talk about anxiety, perfectionism, and what relief looks like for lawyers.   Courtney shares her personal journey from chronic stress and fight-or-flight to presence.  She explains why relief doesn’t require leaving law, fixing yourself, or eliminating anxious thoughts.   Listen in and you’ll hear: Why lawyer anxiety is a physiological response, not a personal failure.The difference between mindfulness and mindset (and why you need both).How awareness creates presence, and relief in your work and life.  This episode is a grounded, compassionate look at how women lawyers can reduce stress, soften perfectionism, and reconnect with themselves. About Courtney Courtney Schulnick, Esquire spent two decades as a litigator at Marshall Dennehey’s Philadelphia office, advocating in state and federal courts. Firsthand experience with the intense demands of legal practice led her to the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) Program, where she discovered the transformative power of mindfulness. Now a MBSR teacher at Jefferson’s Center for Mindfulness, Courtney integrates her legal background and mindfulness expertise to support professionals in high-stress environments. Website: https://www.courtneyschulnickmindfulness.com/LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/courtney-schulnick-632a7a7YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ConsciousCornerWithCourtneySpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ibo22EFSSpmpJ5eMyjIpb?si=zrdJkBBZRPOnH6UllX3s6A The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach. Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow Us: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Web: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    45 min
  6. Busting the BS Stories Holding You Back

    FEB 25

    Busting the BS Stories Holding You Back

    This one’s spicy!  I am not the biggest curser.  I like the occasional f-bomb, but it’s not typically how I speak, so I don’t do it often in my business.  For some people, it’s part of their brand.  Not me. This is an exception. I had a BIG insight when working with one of my coaches who talked about re-writing our thoughts, beliefs and stories.  In my notes I wrote TBS for short.  Then a bubble burst and I saw our limiting thoughts, beliefs and stories as This Bull Sh*t. I go into further detail in this short and FEISTY episode about how to drop TBS and grow a garden with all that fertilizer! (Wear headphones if little ones are around).    Specifically, I talk about: How limiting beliefs show up for women lawyers who feel trapped or stuck.How to recognize BS thoughts by paying attention to your body and inner language.A simple exercise to replace limiting stories with expansive, true beliefs. WILL The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawWeb:https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    10 min
  7. GC to Travel Advisor: Kathleen Builds a Travel Business She Loves

    FEB 13

    GC to Travel Advisor: Kathleen Builds a Travel Business She Loves

    Imagine you’ve gone from big law to in-house and become a GC.  Yet, you feel empty.  You’ve been a “success” and yet you long for more. Finally, you allow yourself to explore what else you can do and your passion for travel rises to the top.   At first you don’t believe it’s possible to make money doing that, but you take one small step at a time to explore.   (Travel is a multi-billion dollar industry after all!) In this episode of the WILL Podcast, Kathleen Fong shares how WILL guided her transformative journey to become a travel advisor.  What helped her transition from GC to entrepreneur. How her legal skills have been instrumental in her new role.How she couldn’t have imagined it was possible to meet her financial goals for the year, but she surpassed them in October!  Kathleen delights in the joy of helping clients create unforgettable travel experiences. For her the WILL Community and support was instrumental in pursuing her dreams. About Kathleen Kathleen Fong has been a practicing attorney for more than 20 years - in Big Law and in-house General Counsel and Chief Legal Officer roles from San Francisco to New York. She understands firsthand the pressures of a demanding legal career and the constant pull of competing priorities. After stepping away from full-time legal practice, she began exploring what a fulfilling next chapter could look like. Joining WILL helped her find purpose and joy through her lifelong passion for travel.   She's now the founder of a boutique travel advisory grounded in the skills she honed as a lawyer: meticulous planning, strategic thinking, and creative problem-solving. Today, she specializes in helping busy professionals, especially women lawyers including some WILL members, take thoughtfully curated, effortless, and exceptional trips, without the time-consuming details WILL The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach. Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow Us: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawWeb:https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com

    29 min
  8. Press Pause and Trust What’s Next: With Goli Kalkhoran

    JAN 30

    Press Pause and Trust What’s Next: With Goli Kalkhoran

    Imagine everything in your business or career is successful, but something tugs at you to pause.   Imagine allowing yourself to stop producing, proving, and hustling long enough to ask who you are without your work or title.   In this episode, I’m joined by Goli Kalkhoran, creator of  ‘Lessons from a Quitter’, to explore what it means to press pause on a successful business and sit with uncertainty to uncover what’s next.   She illuminates how: Success and alignment are not the same.Productivity and hustle culture are deeply tied to identity, especially for high-achieving women and lawyers.Growth requires stopping, stillness, and trust.  Listen in as Goli offers a compassionate and honest perspective on evolving beyond fixed identities, and trusting what’s next. About Goli Goli Kalkhoran is a Master Certified Life Coach, and former attorney, who helps unfulfilled professionals create a career (and life) they actually like. She is the host of the Lessons from a Quitter podcast where she uses her platform to de-stigmatize quitting and provide resources and inspiration to individuals looking to pivot in their established careers. She challenges people to exceed their own expectations and guides them through the initial steps of starting over in order to build a more intentional, fulfilling life. At the time of recording this podcast, Goli had pressed pause on “Lessons from a Quitter” for an indefinite sabbatical.   Website: www.lessonsfromaquitter.com Instagram: www.lessonsfromaquitter.com/lessonsfromaquitter Facebook: www.facebook.com/lessonsfromaquitter Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@lessonsfromaquitter WILL The WILL- Women Interested in Leaving Law Podcast is hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst. This podcast is more than a good listen; it’s an invitation to explore new possibilities and shed limiting beliefs. As WILL Alumni and guests share their journeys beyond traditional legal practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible, it’s within your reach. Feel stuck, unhappy, or ready to explore your own WILL journey? Book your consultation with Elena: womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call   Follow Us: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglawWeb: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com Show Notes What Else If Not Law workshop, Feb 11th. Sign up here: https://whatelseifnotlaw.womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/main

    1h 23m
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The WILL Podcast - For Women Lawyers Searching for Freedom, Flexibility and Fulfilment. Are you tired of having to “always be available,” the anxiety, and a nagging sense that something is missing? The WILL Podcast offers an honest exploration for how to find relief, meaning and work that allows you to enjoy your life, (without throwing away all you’ve invested). This podcast is for any woman lawyer who has ever questioned if they want to stay in law or not. Here you’ll find a window into how others have dealt with the money, identity and figured out what else they could do (in law or out). Each episode is a journey into the lives of women lawyers who got fed up with the status quo. You’ll hear about persistent doubt, piles of debt, and physical and mental depletion. Our guests reveal how they navigated the expectations of workplace cultures and inner critics that keep them isolated and wondering “what’s wrong with me.” You’ll hear conversations not being shared beyond a whisper in the halls of big law. You’ll discover: * Inspirational stories of lawyers who’ve redefined success on their own terms * Strategies to overcome the common career pitfalls women lawyers get stuck in * Ideas for how to realign work with your deepest values and aspirations Hosted by Elena Deutsch, a dedicated legal career coach and catalyst, the WILL Podcast is more than a good listen — it may inspire a movement. With WILL Alumni and Guests breaking the confines of traditional practice, you’ll see that change is not just possible for them, but for you too. If you think, “I’ve got to get out of here, but I don’t know what else to do, and I’m trepidatious,” you’ve found a sanctuary. WILL is where doubt transforms into daring, and frustration becomes freedom. WILL Book a Consultation with Elena: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com/book-a-call Web: https://womeninterestedinleavinglaw.com Follow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/womeninterestedinleavinglaw Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/womeninterestedinleavinglaw

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    WILL - Women Interested in Leaving Law
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
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