新新人类 Pixel Perfect

一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织

  1. Jul 12

    EP022 AI时代,创作者的护城河在哪里 What's Our Moat as Creators in the Age of AI?

    【一起来读书吧 Bookclub】 7月24日,我们想和大家一起线上共读Patrick McGee 的热销作品 Apple in China。 这本书细致讲述了苹果如何在中国建立起现代史上最复杂、最高效的制造与供应链体系之一,也讲述了中国如何成为世界上最有价值公司的关键支柱。 作者 Patrick McGee 将在活动最后 30 分钟加入我们,回答大家的问题;问答部分使用英文。 读书会链接:https://luma.com/buwyzrkk On July 24, we’ll be reading Patrick McGee’s bestselling book Apple in China together online. The book offers a detailed account of how Apple built one of the most complex and efficient manufacturing and supply chain systems in modern history in China. It also tells the story of how China became a crucial pillar of the world’s most valuable company. Author Patrick McGee will join us for the final 30 minutes of the event to answer questions. The Q&A session will be conducted in English. Book club link: https://luma.com/buwyzrkk 更多活动,请订阅百花新闻信 For more events, subscribe to Baihua newsletter https://baihua.substack.com/ 【聊了什么 The What】 在AI浪潮席卷全球的当下,内容创造者的边界正在模糊。本期《新新人类》主播一闻带你走进纽约Same Room华语播客节现场,听四位背景迥异的嘉宾共话:AI时代,创造者的“护城河”究竟在哪里?从硅谷大厂的AI从业者到在特教领域手搓视频的电影导演,从文字记者的身份认同困境到物理学博士的科普实验,我们不只谈论技术效率,更深挖技术背后的审美规训与语言不平等。AI能模仿哈姆雷特,但它懂那背后的历史与痛苦吗?本期节目将打破“AI杀死创作者”的二元对立,探讨如何在这个“万物皆可替代”的时代,守住人类最核心的决策力与注意力。 As the AI wave sweeps the globe, the boundaries of content creation are blurring. In this episode of Pixel Perfect, host Yiwen takes you inside the "Same Room Podcast Festival" in New York, where four guests from different backgrounds sit down to discuss a pressing question: in the age of AI, where exactly is a creator's "moat"? From an AI professional at a Silicon Valley tech giant to a film director hand-crafting videos in special education, from a print journalist wrestling with questions of identity to a physics PhD running science-outreach experiments — we don't just talk about technical efficiency. We dig deeper, into the aesthetic conditioning and linguistic inequality lurking behind the technology. AI can imitate Hamlet, but does it understand the history and pain behind it? This episode pushes back against the simplistic "AI will kill creators" binary, exploring instead how to hold onto humanity's most essential faculties — judgment and attention — in an era where "everything can be replaced." 【时间轴 The When】 00:37 - 跨界对话:科技从业者与传统媒体背景创作者的 AI 初始体验 08:00 - 坦白局:创作者使用 AI 生成初稿时的心理负担与 Stigma 12:56 - 实践中的摩擦点:AI 在手语翻译和特定文化场景中的“无能为力” 18:20 - 算法不平等:少数语言用户在 AI 时代的资源挤占现状 24:47 - 创作的“蒸馏”:AI 能否通过学习顶尖创作者实现高质量产出? 35:31 - 中美差异:为何好莱坞激烈抵制 AI 而国内创作者态度开放? 40:40 - Vibe Coding 警告:失去“把手弄脏”的积累,会削弱底层创造力吗? 47:29 - 护城河之争:辨别力、阐释权与保护注意力的重要性 52:18 - Q&A:AI 驱动的短剧 与内容创作的本质意义 69:35 - 护城河或许并不存在,享受创作过程本身即是价值 00:37 – Crossing Lines: First encounters with AI, from tech workers to traditional media creators 08:00 – Confession Time: The psychological burden and stigma of using AI for first drafts 12:56 – Friction in Practice: Where AI falls short — sign language translation and culturally specific contexts 18:20 – Algorithmic Inequality: How speakers of minority languages get squeezed out of resources in the AI era 24:47 – The "Distillation" of Creativity: Can AI produce top-tier work just by learning from top-tier creators? 35:31 – US vs. China: Why Hollywood is fighting AI so hard while creators back home stay open to it 40:40 – Vibe Coding Warning: Does skipping the "getting your hands dirty" phase erode foundational creativity? 47:29 – The Moat Debate: Discernment, the right to interpret, and why protecting attention matters 52:18 – Q&A: The AI-driven micro-dramas and what content creation is really for 69:35 – Maybe there is no moat — the value is in enjoying the act of creating itself 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP022 AI时代,创作者的护城河在哪里 What's Our Moat as Creators in the Age of AI?
  2. Jul 2

    EP021 对谈前从业者:横店凉了,美国人在好莱坞拍中国短剧 Short drama takes Hollywood

    【一起来读书吧 Bookclub】 7月24日,我们想和大家一起线上共读Patrick McGee 的热销作品 Apple in China。 这本书细致讲述了苹果如何在中国建立起现代史上最复杂、最高效的制造与供应链体系之一,也讲述了中国如何成为世界上最有价值公司的关键支柱。 作者 Patrick McGee 将在活动最后 30 分钟加入我们,回答大家的问题;问答部分使用英文。 读书会链接:https://luma.com/buwyzrkk On July 24, we’ll be reading Patrick McGee’s bestselling book Apple in China together online. The book offers a detailed account of how Apple built one of the most complex and efficient manufacturing and supply chain systems in modern history in China. It also tells the story of how China became a crucial pillar of the world’s most valuable company. Author Patrick McGee will join us for the final 30 minutes of the event to answer questions. The Q&A session will be conducted in English. Book club link: https://luma.com/buwyzrkk 【聊了什么 The What】 先婚后爱、霸道总裁、带球跑、半人半兽但只对女主温柔的狼人。是这些土得掉渣、狗血又cheap的关键词,让短剧走进了美国中西部家庭主妇的内心。短剧,可能是中国最成功的文化出海产品之一。 这一期我们请来了海外短剧前从业者木薯,从片场第一线聊聊:短剧为什么能从中国一路拍到美国?它到底是影视工业、网文改编,还是一种披着内容外衣的科技产品?当导演、演员、制片、平台都在给数据和算法打工,谁才是真正的创作者? 我们也聊到了短剧背后,复杂且动荡的影视行业:好莱坞罢工,意外成就了短剧。怀揣梦想的电影学院中国留学生,从“毕业即失业”变成“毕业即进组”。霸总、狼人、先婚后爱和带球跑背后,代表着怎样的感情观与创伤?以及让我们不停上头的AI水果短剧,可能是短剧的未来吗? 短剧像一颗高剂量、裹着糖衣的短效止痛片。它精准诊断了普通人最难以启齿的欲望和痛苦,但却无法进行治疗。它只是在最关键的地方停下来,然后让你付费看下一集。 Contract marriage-to-love, domineering CEOs, secret babies, and half-human, half-beast werewolves who are gentle only to the female lead. These cheesy, melodramatic, low-budget tropes are what brought short dramas into the hearts of housewives across the American Midwest. Short dramas may be one of China’s most successful cultural exports. In this episode, we are joined by Mushu, a former practitioner in the overseas short drama industry. From the front lines of the set, we talk about how short dramas made their way from China to the U.S.; whether they are a product of the film and television industry, an adaptation of web fiction, or a tech product disguised as content; and when directors, actors, producers, and platforms are all working for data and algorithms, who actually gets to be called the creator? We also talked about the complicated and turbulent film and television industry behind short dramas: how the Hollywood strikes unexpectedly helped short dramas take off; how Chinese film school students with big dreams went from “graduating into unemployment” to “graduating straight onto a set”; what kinds of ideas about love and trauma lie behind domineering CEOs, werewolves, contract marriage-to-love, and secret babies; and whether the endlessly addictive AI fruit dramas might be the future of short dramas. Short dramas are like a high-dose, sugar-coated, short-acting painkiller. They diagnose ordinary people’s most unspeakable desires and pain with precision, but they cannot actually treat them. Instead, they stop at the most crucial moment, and ask you to pay for the next episode. 【时间轴 The When】 05:23 嘉宾木薯:从2022年开始参与海外短剧制作的前从业者 10:04 商业体系的收益,独立制作的剧组:短剧片场的奇怪混合体 14:06 短剧演技差,真的能怪演员吗? 17:18 数据告诉平台:下跪、扇巴掌和付费欲望之间的关系 23:50 短剧给了谁机会?中国影视留学生的“毕业即就业” 27:18 好莱坞萧条、演员罢工,和短剧片场的起飞 33:16 中国式连轴转遇到美国劳工保护:“我们通常都这么干” 38:02 和美国演员合作:网红、表演梦和生存压力 41:13 爆款演员:短剧也在复制明星工业 44:30 谁在看海外短剧?Midwest housewife与心理补偿 47:53 先婚后爱、狼人、带球跑:短剧套路背后的情感需求 56:19 AI进入短剧:编剧工资减半,工作量反而变大 01:02:51 为什么水果能演出真人拍不了的drama? 01:12:33 为什么离开短剧行业?“我发现我很久没有抬头看天空了” 05:23 Mushu: a former short drama practitioner who began working in the industry in 2022 10:04 The profits of a commercial system, the crew of an indie production: the strange hybrid that is the short drama set 14:06 Can we really blame the actors for bad acting in short dramas? 17:18 Data tells platforms what connects kneeling, slapping, and the desire to pay 23:50 Who did short dramas create opportunities for? Chinese film students and the shift from “graduating into unemployment” to “graduating into work” 27:18 Hollywood’s downturn, the actors’ strike, and the rise of the short drama set 33:16 China’s round-the-clock production pace meets American labor protections: “This is just how we usually do things” 38:02 Working with American actors: non-union labor, influencers, acting dreams, and the pressure to survive 41:13 Breakout actors: short dramas are also replicating the star-making machine 44:30 Who watches overseas short dramas? The Midwest housewife and psychological compensation 47:53 Contract marriage-to-love, werewolves, and secret babies: the emotional needs behind short drama tropes 56:19 AI enters short dramas: writers’ pay is cut in half, but their workload gets heavier 01:02:51 Why can fruit act out drama that real people can’t? 01:12:33 Why leave the short drama industry? “I realized I hadn’t looked up at the sky in a long time.” 【拓展链接 The Links】 MIT科技评论:中国短剧如何成为AI制片厂 复制中国“流量密码”,90秒短剧正霸屏美国 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修:一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 嘉宾: 木薯:前北美短剧从业者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP021 对谈前从业者:横店凉了,美国人在好莱坞拍中国短剧 Short drama takes Hollywood
  3. May 15

    EP020 重生之我在硅谷做CEO!聊聊Cluely和Roy Lee的病毒式营销 What Is Cluely?

    【聊了什么 The What】 Cluely是一家靠帮人面试作弊起家的AI公司,创始人Roy Lee从哥大退学,拿到a16z领投的千万美元融资,但它在各大平台发布的搞笑短视频系列,比产品本身更出名。这期节目,我们请来传播从业者Ivy,聊聊Cluely这家公司和不走寻常路的创始人Roy Lee。 病毒式营销能否真正转化为商业价值?通过模仿中国国际学生出圈的网红Remy Zee加入Cluely,这为什么是Roy Lee做过最正确的商业决策?Lookmaxxing、蛋白质崇拜、公款报销约会费用背后,这家公司的兄弟会文化折射出什么?短剧里女性角色的凝视位置,以及ABG CMO作为硅谷新趋势,又意味着什么? Roy Lee的走红,是个人天才,还是时代给亚裔男性打开了一扇从未有过的门?在AI重塑硅谷生态的当下,那些曾经循规蹈矩的亚裔男性,正在用一种全新的方式争夺话语权、资本与关注。这场逆袭的代价与边界,值得认真审视。 Cluely is an AI company that got its start helping people cheat in job interviews. Its founder Roy Lee dropped out of Columbia, raised millions in funding led by a16z — yet the company's viral comedy video series is far more famous than the product itself. This episode, we sit down with communications professional Ivy to unpack Cluely, and the unconventional founder behind it. Can viral marketing actually convert into business value? Why was hiring Remy Zee — the creator who blew up impersonating Chinese international students — arguably the best business decision Roy Lee ever made? What does Cluely's frat-house culture of lookmaxxing, protein obsession, and expensing employee dates really say about the company? And what does the male gaze baked into their short-form dramas, and the rise of the "ABG CMO" as a Silicon Valley trend, actually mean? Is Roy Lee's rise a story of individual genius — or has the AI era simply opened a door for Asian men that was never there before? As AI reshapes the Silicon Valley ecosystem, Asian men who once played by every rule are now competing for influence, capital, and attention in entirely new ways. The cost of that reinvention, and its limits, are worth examining carefully. 【时间轴 The When】 00:01:58 哥大退学、面试作弊,融到2000万? 00:05:53 Cluely到底是什么?从作弊软件转型会议纪要与新产品Bounty 00:08:29 病毒式营销,网红Remy Zee和Ling Long 00:17:46 公司文化如同兄弟会,Looksmaxxing和表演式男性文化 00:24:26 性别凝视:短剧里的女性角色与ABG CMO 00:36:44 亚裔男性的拧巴处境,摇身一变,AI时代亚裔站上聚光灯 00:41:15 Roy Lee,是TikTok时代的成功学大师吗? 00:48:11 在厕所和VC打电话的Gen Z创始人 00:47:17 重新定义Agency,社媒影响力并不是全部 00:59:03 Founder-Led传播途径:数字造假风波的反转操作,反映了2026年的媒体玩法 00:01:58 Dropped out of Columbia, cheated in interviews, raised $20M? 00:05:53 What even is Cluely? From cheating tool to meeting notes app and new product Bounty 00:08:29 Viral marketing, influencers Remy Zee and Ling Long 00:17:46 Company culture as a frat house: lookmaxxing and performative masculinity 00:24:26 The male gaze: female characters in their short-form dramas, and the rise of the ABG CMO 00:36:44 The Asian male identity crisis and the AI era glow-up 00:41:15 Is Roy Lee the self-help guru of the TikTok generation? 00:48:11 The Gen Z founder taking VC calls from a bathroom stall 00:47:17 Redefining agency: social media clout isn't the whole story 00:59:03 Founder-led comms: how Roy Lee spun a fake numbers scandal into a viral moment and what it says about media in 2026 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修:一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 嘉宾: Ivy:PR Agency创始人、运营英文订阅信Calling the Shots,并在FT中文网开设专栏《话语圈时代》。在洛杉矶长大的ABC和两个男孩的母亲。 【拓展链接 The Links】 Child’s Play, by Sam Kriss 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP020  重生之我在硅谷做CEO!聊聊Cluely和Roy Lee的病毒式营销 What Is Cluely?
  4. Apr 27

    EP019 当一家AI公司被封杀:技术从不中立 Technology Was Never Neutral

    【聊了什么 The What】 当AI从工具变成武器,人类该如何自处? 2026年初,Claude被白宫封杀。这成了AI的公共形象的转折点。这件事让我们意识到,AI可能已经悄悄完成了它的成年礼:它不再只是一个技术话题,而是变成了一个政治问题、一个选边站的时刻。 在这期串台节目里,主播一闻和《美轮美换》的主播小华、硅谷投资人磊一起聊了:AI是如何从一个技术问题,变成最烫手的政治问题的。红线到底该由谁来画?当 Super PAC 开始用 AI 的钱打中期选举、当数据中心让红州蓝州的电价一起上涨、当美国公众对 AI 的反感度已经跌穿地板——AI 的“核弹时刻“到底是技术奇点,还是政治奇点?我们也顺便聊了聊中美在这件事上正在经历的两种截然不同的现实。 本期播客录制于4月初。 When AI Goes from Tool to Weapon, how do we find our footing? In early 2026, Claude was blacklisted by the White House. It became a turning point for AI's public image — and a moment that made us realize AI may have quietly come of age. It's no longer just a tech topic; it's a political issue, a moment that demands you pick a side. In this crossover episode, host Yiwen sits down with Xiaohua, host of The American Roulette, and Lei, a Silicon Valley investor, to unpack how AI went from a technical question to the most politically charged issue of the moment. Who gets to draw the red lines? When Super PACs start spending AI money to swing the midterms, when data centers push up electricity bills across red and blue states alike, when American public sentiment toward AI has fallen through the floor — is AI's "nuclear moment" a technological singularity, or a political one? We also get into the two starkly different realities the U.S. and China are living through on this front. Recorded in early April. 【时间轴 The When】 03:06 Anthropic与五角大楼撕破脸:AI政治化的转折点 04:48 两条红线:大规模监控与全自主武器 07:41 立法真空下,商业公司被迫当仲裁者 10:33 硅谷政治转向与员工抗议的复活 14:33 Anthropic的商业账本:合同不如公众形象值钱 17:08 Dario vs Sam Altman:同一天两种结局 24:05 Super PAC对AI监管的冲突 30:30 AI好感度比ICE还低 32:35 中美两种现实:小龙虾与"温水煮青蛙" 38:19 数据中心、电价与NIMBY:AI恐惧的具象化 43:21 如果AI创造所有GDP,普通人还有筹码吗? 50:30 Bernie Sanders的Claude视频与左派的AI叙事 53:43 Token出海:中美AI的两种工业体系 03:06 Anthropic vs. the Pentagon: The Turning Point of AI's Politicization 04:48 Two Red Lines: Mass Surveillance and Fully Autonomous Weapons 07:41 In a Legislative Vacuum, Companies Are Forced to Arbitrate 10:33 Silicon Valley's Political Shift and the Return of Employee Protest 14:33 Anthropic's Business Math: Public Image Beats Government Contracts 17:08 Dario vs. Sam Altman: Two Outcomes on the Same Day 24:05 Super PACs Go to War Over AI Regulation 30:30 AI Polls Worse Than ICE 32:35 Two Realities: OpenClaw and the Slow-Boiling Frog 38:19 Data Centers, Electric Bills, and NIMBY: Where AI Fear Gets Real 43:21 If AI Creates All the GDP, What Leverage Do Ordinary People Have? 50:30 Bernie Sanders' Claude Video and the Left's AI Narrative 53:43 Tokens Go Global: Two Industrial Systems for AI 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 小华:媒体人 Lei:风险投资人 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP019 当一家AI公司被封杀:技术从不中立 Technology Was Never Neutral
  5. Mar 12

    EP018 对话《纽约客》作者刘亦灵:在算法和审查中寻找灵魂自由的舞动 A conversation with Yi-Ling Liu on 'Wall Dancers'

    【聊了什么 The What】 在这期节目中,我们邀请到了新生代作家 Yi-Ling Liu(刘亦灵),深入聊聊她刚刚出版的英文新书 The Wall Dancers: Searching for Freedom and Connection on the Chinese Internet。 亦灵是我们的老朋友,也是一位长期关注中国网络、文化及科技领域的自由撰稿人,曾为《纽约客》等媒体撰写相关文章。这本书对我们来说尤为特别——它是近年来为数不多以“人”为核心,而非聚焦于商业或地缘政治的、关于中国的英文非虚构作品。 书名中的核心隐喻是“戴着镣铐跳舞“,这是一个任何在中国互联网上有过亲身体验的人都不陌生的意象。西方媒体对中国互联网的叙事,往往侧重于其封闭性与禁锢感,而刘亦灵则选择透过个体的选择,去呈现中国光怪陆离互联网社群独特的韧性,戏剧张力,和无处不在的隐秘抵抗。 在中国特有的网络与科技环境中,她的观察跟随着几位极具代表性的角色:从曾经的微博审查员刘力朋、女权活动家吕频,到成都的说唱歌手Kafe.Hu、科幻作家陈楸帆,以及从警察转型为同志社交软件 CEO 的马保力。通过这些人的故事,串联起过去三十年中国互联网的激荡与变迁。 在香港出生长大,美国接受教育的亦灵在观察中国时有一种疏离而又颗粒度极高的写作风格。她到底怎么选中了这些主人公,又怎样完成了这部历时数年的大部头?在这本独特的大部头发布之际,中外互联网的变迁又让她有了哪些最新的反思?本期节目因为种种原因我们将只在墙外发布。这也是亦灵首次用中文接受采访——主播安蕤和马修将作为读者,同行和朋友进行发问。 In this episode, we are joined writer Yi-Ling Liu to talk in depth about her newly published English-language book, The Wall Dancers: Searching for Freedom and Connection on the Chinese Internet. Yi-Ling is an old friend of the show and a longtime freelance writer focused on China’s internet, culture, and technology, with work published in outlets including The New Yorker. This book feels especially important to us because it is one of the few recent English-language nonfiction books about China that places people, rather than business or geopolitics, at its center. The book’s central metaphor is “dancing in shackles,” an image that is immediately familiar to anyone with lived experience of the Chinese internet. Western media narratives about China’s online world often emphasize its closedness and sense of constraint. Yi-Ling, by contrast, chooses to focus on individual choices, revealing the resilience, dramatic tension, and ever-present undercurrents of quiet resistance within China’s strange and dazzling online communities. Within China’s highly specific internet and technological environment, her reporting follows several deeply representative figures: former Weibo censor Liu Lipeng, feminist activist Lü Pin, Chengdu rapper Kafe.Hu, science fiction writer Chen Qiufan, and Ma Baoli, a former police officer who later became the CEO of a gay social networking app. Through their stories, she traces the turbulence and transformation of China’s internet over the past three decades. Born and raised in Hong Kong and educated in the United States, Yi-Ling brings to her observations on China a writing style that is both detached and richly textured. How did she choose these protagonists, and how did she complete this sweeping work over the course of several years? Now that this distinctive book has been published, how have recent changes in both Chinese and global internet culture shaped her latest reflections? For various reasons, this episode will only be released outside the Great Firewall. It is also Yi-Ling’s first time being interviewed in Chinese. Hosts Anrui and Matthew join the conversation as readers, peers, and friends. 【时间轴 The When】 00:43 - Yi-Ling和《墙之舞者》——“在互联网上寻找自由与连接” 14:43 - 写作视角“以人为中心”的深度报道过程 20:19 - 避开空投记者陷阱,深入社群深度访谈 28:26 - 拾荒式写作:将破碎的社交媒体信息拼凑成口述历史 44:37 - 意外的反响:西方读者也要开始共舞了吗? 53:11 - AI陪伴是否会加剧社会的脱节与孤独 56:09 - 结语及新书购买信息 00:43 – Yi-Ling and The Wall Dancers: “Searching for freedom and connection on the internet” 14:43 – A human-centered approach to deeply reported writing 20:19 – Avoiding the parachute-journalist trap through deep community reporting 28:26 – Ragpicker-style writing: piecing together fragmented social media traces into oral history 44:37 – An unexpected response: are Western readers beginning to dance too? 53:11 – Could AI companionship deepen social disconnection and loneliness? 56:09 – Closing remarks and information on how to purchase the book 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修:一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤:一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP018 对话《纽约客》作者刘亦灵:在算法和审查中寻找灵魂自由的舞动 A conversation with Yi-Ling Liu on 'Wall Dancers'
  6. Feb 21

    EP017 Chinamaxxing:美国年轻人为什么想变成中国人?It is a very Chinese time to be alive

    【聊了什么 The What】 洋抖难民入住小红书一年之后,美国年轻人又整上新活,想直接变成中国人了?从喝热水、学中文,到穿唐装、追中国短剧,越来越多美国年轻人开始说自己正处在 “a very Chinese time of my life”。这个被称作Chinamaxxing的网络趋势,是文化认同的转变,还是一场抽象时代的玩梗狂欢?在这期播客里,我们拆解了这个趋势的来源和传播,以及它背后的反叛情绪。 当中国从被高度符号化的他者,变成好玩、无厘头、被重新想象的文化标签,这种变化意味着什么?作为中国人,看着大家突然想成为我们,又是一种怎样复杂的感受?和我们一起,聊聊互联网时代的中国高光时刻。 A year after the so-called “TikTok refugees” moved into Xiaohongshu, American internet culture has found a new twist — this time, young Americans want to “become Chinese.” From drinking hot water and learning Mandarin on Duolingo to wearing the Adidas Tang jackets and binge-watching Chinese dramas, more and more are saying they are living through “a very Chinese time of my life.” This online trend, known as Chinamaxxing, raises a question: is this a genuine shift in cultural identity, or just another wave of absurdist internet play? In this episode, we unpack where the trend came from, how it spread, and the rebellious energy behind it. As China shifts from a highly politicized “other” to something playful, ironic, and newly reimagined online, what does that change really mean? And as Chinese people, how do we feel watching others suddenly want to “become us”? Proud, annoyed, amused — or something more complicated? Join us as we explore this internet-age Chinese high-glow moment. 【时间轴 The When】 03:18 什么是China Maxxing? 06:47 喝热水、穿阿迪达斯“Tang”,就是中国人吗? 10:22 ABC vs白人网友玩梗,两种变中国逻辑 18:31 从雪花飘飘到Tina,误解与再创作中出圈的中国meme 23:12 反叛父辈叙事,美国年轻人的公开声明 27:48 线上文化与现实认知的分野 36:44 奶茶、Temu、DeepSeek:中国元素已经渗透日常生活 41:03 文化输出还是文化扁平化? 45:27 作为中国人,我们的感受是骄傲、不爽还是荒谬? 49:58 当梗进入主流语境之后会发生什么?、 03:18 What’s Chinamaxxing? 06:47 Does Drinking Hot Water and Wearing Adidas Jackets Make You Chinese? 10:22 ABCs vs. Young Americans: Two Different Logics of “Becoming Chinese” 18:31 From Xue Hua Piao Piao to Tina: How Chinese Memes Go Viral Through Misinterpretation and Remix 23:12 Rebellion Against the Parent Generation by Young Americans 27:48 The Divide Between Internet Culture and Real-World Perception 36:44 Boba, Temu, DeepSeek: Chinese Elements in Everyday American Life 41:03 Cultural Influence or Cultural Flattening? 45:27 As Chinese, Do We Feel Proud, Annoyed, or Amused? 49:58 What Happens When the Meme Enters the Mainstream? 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修:一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤:一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【拓展链接 The Links】 WIRED: Why Everyone Is Suddenly in a ‘Very Chinese Time’ in Their Lives 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP017 Chinamaxxing:美国年轻人为什么想变成中国人?It is a very Chinese time to be alive
  7. Feb 5

    EP016 AI视频技术成熟了,我们离吃上AI细糠还远吗 AI video is getting good but why are we still eating slop

    【重要的事放在前面说】 2026 年,「新新人类」希望能和大家展开更多深度交流。除了播客,我们也在筹备一些线上或者线下的活动。 如果你感兴趣参与我们的活动,请填写这份问卷留下您的邮箱,方便我们活动组织起来之后联系到您! 【聊了什么 The What】 下滑,下滑,咦,这个视频有点意思,但好像又有点不对头,难道是AI?? 随着人工智能生成视频技术的日新月异,新新人类的主播们每天都浪费了大量刷手机的时间用于分辨某个视频是不是AI生成的。不得不承认,从几年前生成的六根指头的手和鬼画符一般的文字,到现在以假乱真的后院蹦床兔兔和偷快递监控,AI视频的质量在不断提升,我们对它的认识也不得不更新换代。 这一期节目我们请来了Coco来做嘉宾,曾经在谷歌工作的她现在是AI视频生成平台和社区OpenArt的CEO。我们既聊了AI技术本身的飞速发展,也聊了作为社交媒体用户的我们如何看待当下遍布全网的AI视频。Coco说,她觉得AI视频生成的技术会成为让任何人都可以当网红的平权工具,那如果拍视频和剪视频的技术不再是刚需,什么才会是下一代的头部网红的核心竞争力? Scroll, scroll…huh, this video is kind of interesting, but something feels off…Is it AI?? As AI-generated video technology advances, the hosts of Pixel Perfect also have wasted huge amounts of time every day just trying to figure out whether a video we saw on social media was made by AI. Like it or not, we have to admit: from the six-fingered hands and illegible text of a few years ago to today’s deceptively realistic videos of backyard trampoline bunnies and package-thief security-cam clips, AI video quality keeps improving, and our opinion on it has to keep updating too. In this episode, we invited Coco to join us as a guest. After working at Google, she’s now the CEO of OpenArt, an AI video-generation platform and community. We talked about the rapid evolution of the tech itself, and also about how we—as social media users—make sense of AI videos that are now ubiquitous. Coco said she believes AI video generation will become an empowering tool that lets anyone become an internet celebrity. So if filming and editing are no longer necessary skills, what will be the core competitive edge of the next generation of top-tier creators? 【时间轴 The When】 01:30 - OpenArt CEO Coco介绍过去三年图片和视频AI的技术迭代 03:49 - 从生成六根手指的DALL-E到百花齐放的中美AI工具 15:03 - 创作平权:AI如何赋予普通人讲故事的能力 24:08 - 为什么模糊的监控视角更容易让AI视频以假乱真 31:12 - OpenArt工作流:故事板、Agent与长叙事生成 34:47 - 视频生成的下一个里程碑是世界模型(World Model)吗? 42:01 - 未来创作者的核心竞争力是网感还是审美? 51:09 - 外国山海经:一个AI原生的网络热梗 58:41 - 版权保护、AI标签标注与未来的内容生态 01:30 - Coco, OpenArt’s CEO, introduces the tech evolution of AI videos 03:49 - From DALL-E to a thousand American and Chinese AI video tools 15:03 - Empowering everyone to become video creators 24:08 - Why it’s so damn hard to tell a security camera video is AI-generated 31:12 - How OpenArt works: storyboards, AI agents, and long narratives 34:47 - World Model is the next milestone of video generation 42:01 - How to excel as a content creator in the future 51:09 - Italian Brainrot: an AI-native meme 58:41 - Copyrights, AI content labeling, and the future of content creation 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修:一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤:一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【拓展链接 The Links】 OpenArt的官网 How I learned to stop worrying and love AI slop OpenAI’s new social app is filled with terrifying Sam Altman deepfakes 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP016 AI视频技术成熟了,我们离吃上AI细糠还远吗 AI video is getting good but why are we still eating slop
  8. 12/18/2025

    EP015 少小当秀粉,长大看团播 We Fell Into the Group Livestream Rabbit Hole

    【聊了什么 The What】 从扫腿舞到“宝宝上车啦”,从《万物生》到《溯》,最近只要刷过短视频,基本都被这几首团播神曲洗脑过。和传统的单人直播不一样,团播把帅哥美女放在同一个画面里,一起跳舞、互动、PK,更像一档随时在直播的偶像综艺。 从这期节目开始,我们想要和大家多聊聊我们三个共同关注到的互联网现象。第一次尝试,就从团播为什么这么火聊起。主播怎么被训练和安排,观众为什么愿意持续打赏,平台规则又在其中起到了什么作用?我们也会聊到团播和日韩偶像选秀之间的相似之处,以及“养成系”粉丝关系在直播间里是怎么被放大的。通过团播,或许我们能看到的是,在经济下行、注意力经济当道的大背景下,亲密感和陪伴感是否被赋予了新的意义。 From leg-sweep dances to catchphrases like “Baby, hop on,” and from All Things Grow to Backflow (N.B. all of these are too Chinese to translate), anyone who’s scrolled through short-video apps lately has likely had these group-streaming hits stuck in their head. Unlike traditional solo livestreams, group streaming features multiple attractive hosts in the same frame—dancing together, interacting, and competing in real-time—feeling more like an idol variety show that never goes off air. With this episode, we’re starting a new series where the three of us talk through internet phenomena we’ve all been noticing. For our first try, we’re diving into why group streaming has taken off so quickly. We look at how hosts are trained and managed, why viewers keep tipping and voting, and how platform rules shape these behaviors. We also unpack the similarities between group streaming and Japanese and Korean idol survival shows, and how “idol-training” style fan relationships are amplified inside livestreams. Through the lens of group streaming, we explore how intimacy and companionship are being redefined in an era of economic pressure and attention-driven platforms. 【时间轴 The When】 00:02:31 团播初体验?从奇观化视角看待新兴网络文化 00:07:53 团播的吸引力源泉:表演美学与竞争关系 00:13:22 从元气萌妹到性感欲姐,满足受众投射需求 00:16:47 看不见的场控:制作人角色与权力分配的奇妙结构 00:19:00 从选秀到团播:审美降级还是交互升级? 00:26:30 团播与偶像产业的连接:日韩偶像大不同 00:31:57 团播如何撕去偶像养成的最后一层遮羞布 00:39:04 团播的软色情属性与“救风尘” 00:45:32 从亚文化到主流,团播如何融入主流娱乐产业? 00:02:31 First time with Group Streaming: Viewing an Emerging Online Culture as Spectacle 00:07:53 What Makes Group Streaming So Addictive: Performance Aesthetics and Built-In Competition 00:13:22 From Cute and Bubbly to Bold and Sexy: Fulfilling Audience Fantasies and Projections 00:16:47 The Invisible Hands Behind the Scenes: Producers, Control, and Power Dynamics 00:19:00 From Idol Survival Shows to Group Streaming: A Step Down in Taste or an Upgrade in Interaction 00:26:30 Group Streaming and the Idol Industry: How It Differs from K-Pop and J-Pop 00:31:57 How Group Streaming Strips Away the Last Layer of Idol-Making Illusions 00:39:04 The Soft-Porn Undertones of Group Streaming and the “Savior” Narrative 00:45:32 From Subculture to the Mainstream: How Group Streaming Is Becoming Part of the Entertainment Industry 【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客,致力于站在中美交汇点上,解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修:一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤:一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻:一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者 【拓展链接 The Links】 澎湃新闻:有人看团播花120万元,阿姨团爷爷团都来了,团播进入“群魔乱舞”时代 36氪:从「扫腿」到「上车」,团播火了几支舞 欠薪、擦边、违约金,困在“团播”里的年轻人 我在卡卡团播间嗑CP:3000万打赏一个月BE 多个头部团解散,团播进入调整期? 【支持我们 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意支持我们: 海外用户:patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl 海内用户:afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod 商务合作邮箱:baihua.pod@gmail.com If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad: patreon.com/c/pixelperfect_xxrl Those in China: afdian.com/a/pixelperfectpod Business Inquiries Email: baihua.pod@gmail.com

    EP015 少小当秀粉,长大看团播 We Fell Into the Group Livestream Rabbit Hole

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