Therapy with Men and Boys: A Guide for Clinicians

Therapy with Men and Boys
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Therapy with Boys and Men is a podcast for therapists, counselors, and mental health providers working with male clients — tackling men's mental health, masculinity, the manosphere, and the psychology of boys and men through conversations with leading clinicians and researchers. Working with men in therapy comes with real challenges: vulnerability and help-seeking don't come easily for a lot of male clients, and clinicians are often left without the training to understand what's actually going on for them — from loneliness and isolation to the pull of online manosphere content, from anger and disconnection to changing ideas about masculinity itself. Each episode brings you tools, research, and clinical wisdom from top experts, helping clinicians (and the women who love, parent, and work alongside men) better understand what men and boys are going through in 2026 America. Your hosts: Dr. Erica Liebman is a Philadelphia-based clinical psychologist specializing in men's mental health, couples therapy, and psychological assessments of military veterans. A board member of APA Division 51 (Society for the Psychology of Men & Masculinities), she advocates for better training on boys and men in psychology programs. ericaliebmanpsyd.com Dr. David Shepard is a Los Angeles-based psychologist with 30+ years of experience treating men individually and in couples therapy. A past president of APA Division 51 and Professor Emeritus in Counseling at Cal State Fullerton, he's published extensively on working with men and male partners in couple therapy. drdavidshepard.com

Episodes

  1. Aug 2

    AI Therapy is Here: Should We Be Terrified?

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! We keep hearing two things about AI Therapy and mental health — it's either going to replace therapists, or it's going to ruin a generation of men who talk to their phones for help instead of a person. However, as we know from most new technologies, there can be downsides, but also upsides. Clinicians need to know about both. In this episode, we go straight to Dr. Matt Englar-Carlson, someone who's actually inside the world of AI Therapy developers, someone who knows AI Therapy’s potential for good and for harm.  Dr. Englar-Carlson directs the Center for Boys and Men at Cal State Fullerton, helped write the APA's guidelines on working with males, and is a clinical advisor to two of the leading AI mental health apps, one of which, Mental, is designed specifically for men and boys. The second is, The Path, which was created to help anyone seeking answers to their psychological struggles.  He's seen the backend — what these tools actually do at 2am when a guy is alone and won't call a therapist, how they handle suicide risk in real time, and where they fall apart. We get into the critical distinction between a chatbot (e.g., Chat GPT) and AI Therapy, why Matt calls it "a gateway drug" to treatment with an actual human, and the uncomfortable question every therapist is quietly asking: are we about to lose our jobs? Spoiler — his answer surprised us, and it might surprise you too. If you work with men and boys, or you're just trying to figure out where the line is between helpful tech and something to worry about, this conversation will certainly increase your knowledge about AI, and might very well change how you think about it. Dr. Englar-Carlson recommends the following links. The first two are for the two apps, Mental and The Path:  getmental.com  thepath.ai From The Dispatch.  Men are Struggling: Can an App Help Them?https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:07948490-b1af-4e97-ba3e-65aa85dc945a From ExecutiveGov (HHS) :   HHS Vows to Prioritize Guidance, Coordination for AI Adoption in Clinical Care. https://www.executivegov.com/articles/hhs-artificial-intelligence-clinical-care-rfi Two From the American Psychological Association:  Discussing AI Use in Therapy:  https://www.apa.org/topics/artificial-intelligence-machine-learning/discussing-ai-use-therapy  Your Patients are Using AI: Here's How to Talk with Them About It https://www.apa.org/topics/artificial-intelligence-machine-learning/practitioners-talk-ai-patients

  2. Jun 22

    Episode 11: How to Connect with Teenage Boys

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! A fifteen-year-old sits on the couch, eyes down, one-word answers. His parents are terrified they've lost him. Sound familiar? In this episode, Drs. Erica Liebman and David Shepard sit down with Robert Scholz, LMFT, LPCC — a private practice therapist and adjunct professor at Pepperdine with nearly 30 years of experience working with boys and men across the lifespan. Robert shares how he builds trust with teenage boys who never asked to be in therapy: tossing a football, walking side-by-side instead of facing off, getting curious about violent video games instead of judging them. We dig into motivational interviewing as a framework for meeting boys where they are, how to "reflect the grunt" when words won't come, the influence of hyper-masculine online spaces on today's teens, and what it really takes — patience, flexibility, and a willingness to let go of the agenda — to earn a boy's trust. If you work with adolescent boys, or are raising one, this conversation offers a different way in.

  3. May 11

    Episode 10: Need a Clear Map for Working with Male Clients? Dr. Andrew Smiler Has One

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! In previous episodes, psychologists Erica Liebman and David Shepard have interviewed master therapists who take a relational approach to helping male clients. This time, we’re doing something different: We are learning about a pragmatic problem-solving approach, and a new way of conceptualizing our clients. Our guest is Dr. Andrew Smiler, a therapist with 30 years of clinical experience with men from 15 to 85. He has developed the Multifaceted Masculinity Framework – a masculine identity-based approach that fits with many men's problem-solving orientation.  Dr. Smiler describes the framework, and then two cases. Gary is the Breadwinner, and is suffering from depression due to his wife’s leaving him after he loses his job. Bart presents as the Unemotional Man, a man whose limited emotional awareness has left him chronically stressed and struggling to connect with the people around him. You will learn how these kinds of umbrella themes – seven in all - can guide you to understand what your client is experiencing, and what practical steps can be taken to relieve their symptoms. You don’t have to give up your relational approach to use Dr. Smiler’s framework. But it may open up your therapy work to innovative thinking about your clients and using interventions that may be powerful agents of change.  Dr. Smiler is the author of five books, including the bestseller, The Masculine Self.  His latest book is Clinical Work with Men: Understanding Masculinity in Psychotherapy, published in Spring 2026 by The American Psychological Association.

  4. Apr 1

    Episode 09: Part II on Assessing for Suicide: With Demonstration

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! In Part 1 of this 2-part series, suicidologist, Dr. John-Sommers Flanagan discussed with Erica and David what researchers know and don’t know about why so many men kill themselves. While males and females attempt suicide in equal numbers, men are 3-4 times likely to succeed. John spoke to some of the things researchers do know – e,g., loss of a job and relationship break-ups are leading triggers for males.  But he also made clear how much we really don’t know. The episode ended with John promising to do a role play. This episode features that role play. John plays the therapist, and David plays the client, a middle-aged unsuccessful novelist, whose suicidal ideation was triggered by his wife’s confronting him with his failures. We’ll listen to, among other things, how John creates a collaborative, non-threatening style; his use of scaling intensity of emotions, and searching for what can lift them; and his continual empathic reflections ensuring a strong therapeutic relationship. John is a strong believer in the use of evidence-based therapy, so everything you hear is grounded in current research.

  5. Mar 2

    Episode 08: 40,000 Male Suicides A Year: Re-thinking How Therapists Should Be Assessing Their Male Clients

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! Imagine this scenario. Your client is a middle-aged man - depressed, possibly suicidal. But he won’t talk about his feelings. He admits to suicidal ideation but brushes it off. You are very worried. You go through your assessment checklist and your acronyms, but they aren’t helping. This man is just too withdrawn. But you know that doing a suicide assessment right may be your most important task as a clinician. In this episode, Drs. Erica Liebman and David Shepard talk with Dr. John Sommers-Flanagan, a suicidologist who is also an expert in working with boys and men. Using cutting edge, evidence-based strategies, he will teach you, with examples, how to have an effective assessment conversation with a suicidal male. You will hear how an assessment can be a collaboration, not an interrogation.  This episode is Part 1 of a 2-part series on how to talk with males about their suicidal thoughts and feelings. The episode ends when Dr. Sommers-Flanagan is ready to do a demonstration of a suicide assessment. In the next episode (to be dropped two weeks after this one), you will hear that demonstration.

  6. Jan 20

    Episode 07: "Was that Appropriate?" Navigating Sexualized Comments from Male Clients

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! Female therapists face unique challenges when male clients make sexualized comments—whether overt advances, suggestive language, or subtle seductive tones. These moments can rupture the therapeutic alliance and trigger countertransference, making it difficult to maintain boundaries while keeping the conversation therapeutic and shame-free. In this episode, Drs. Erica Liebman and David Shepard interview Dr. Ali Shames-Dawson, Director of Education at Therapists of New York and expert in men’s sexuality. Dr. Shames-Dawson helps female clinicians navigate sexual dynamics in treatment, offering practical strategies to understand men’s sexualized behavior and model effective boundary-setting language. She demonstrates how to protect yourself while keeping male clients feeling safe, set firm limits without shaming, and transform boundary violations into deeply therapeutic opportunities. Her approach is both no-nonsense about what’s unacceptable and compassionate in exploring the deeper meanings behind sexualized comments—helping clinicians turn challenging moments into powerful clinical work.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

  7. 12/10/2025

    Episode 06: Reaching Therapy-hesitant Men: Through Social Media and in First Sessions

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! How do you help men who won’t seek help? Dr. Audra Horney found the answer on TikTok. In this episode, co-hosts Dr. Erica Liebman and Dr. David Shepard talk with psychologist Dr. Audra Horney about her innovative approach to one of therapy’s biggest challenges: getting men through the door in the first place. With over 100,000 followers on TikTok and 20,000 on Instagram, Dr. Audra has become a social media influencer with a mission—reaching men in emotional pain and showing them that seeking help is a sign of strength, not weakness. Dr. Audra shares how she entered the world of social media, what she’s learned from connecting with thousands of men online, and the specific strategies she uses to create a therapy environment where men feel safe enough to be vulnerable. Whether you’re a clinician looking to expand your reach or simply trying to better understand how to support the men in your practice, this conversation offers fresh insights into meeting men where they are—both online and in the therapy room. About the Guest: Dr. Audra Horney is a licensed psychologist based in Arizona, specializing in men’s mental health with a growing social media presence dedicated to breaking down barriers to therapy for men.

  8. 11/06/2025

    Episode 05: Straight Therapist/Gay Male Client: What Heterosexual Clinicians Need to Know

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! If you’re a heterosexual therapist working with adult men, chances are you'll also be working with gay men. But how prepared do you really feel? Most graduate programs and internships offer little guidance on how to navigate the unique clinical and cultural nuances of working with gay male clients. So as you sit with your gay client, questions may arise: Will they feel safe with me? Do I really understand their lived experience? What if they ask about my own sexuality? In this episode, Drs. Erica Liebman and David Shepard sit down with Dr. Will Elder, psychologist at the South Texas VA and expert in therapy with gay men. Dr. Elder shares practical strategies, clarifies common misconceptions, and offers insights that help heterosexual clinicians feel more competent, attuned, and confident in their work with gay men.

  9. 08/24/2025

    Episode 04: Lessons from Couple Therapy: How to Engage the Male Partner on the Road to Connection

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! Why are so many men ambivalent about coming to couple therapy? And so many therapists struggle with engaging men in the therapy process? In this special episode, Dr. Erica Liebman looks for answers by interviewing her co-host, Dr. David Shepard, who is a leading expert on making couple therapy effective for male partners. Together, David and Erica will explain why men in heterosexual relationships are ambivalent about couples work. David will then discuss what clinicians can do to help them overcome their ambivalence, and instead, make them feel couple therapy is a safe place for the vulnerable work of expressing tender, often attachment-related emotions.  The episode will reveal how to build a therapeutic relationship with male partners, how to know when a man is ready to explore painful emotions, how to make sure a man doesn't worry about a female therapist taking his partner's side, and other solutions to making sure therapy is a place where men and women can feel more deeply connected.

  10. 06/13/2025

    Episode 03: The Manosphere: What It Is and What It Means for your Therapy with Young Men

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! The "manosphere" gets a lot of attention in the media- but what is it, really? At its core, it's a loose online network of influencers talking about a range of topics, but all having a connection with masculinity, male identity, and "what it means to be a man." Some voices in this space genuinely resonate with young men, offering a sense of empowerment and community. But many others promote, overtly or subtly, harmful narratives -- misogyny, anti-feminism, toxic masculinity, and right wing ideologies that can distort self-worth and damage relationships. Therapists are uniquely positioned to help young male clients sort through these conflicting messages, and when needed, countering their negative influence. In this episode, co-hosts Drs. Erica Liebman and David Shepard speak with Dr. Saed Hill, a leading expert on the manosphere. He unpacks its appeal, its dangers, and how therapists can support clients in shaping healthier, more expansive visions of masculinity.

  11. 04/08/2025

    Episode 02: Female Therapists-Male Clients: Crossing the Gender Divide

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! Working with male clients as a female therapist presents unique challenges. What happens when your client shuts down, or none of your empathic responses seem to land, or you just can't seem to develop that crucial therapeutic alliance? What do you do when your own past experiences with men -- especially the ones that left scars-- start to shape the session? In this episode, Dr. Erica Liebman and Dr. David Shepard sit down with Dr. Holly Sweet, a leading expert on the psychology of masculinity, to discuss the complexities of gender dynamics in therapy. From countertransference to building trust, from handling resistance to creating a male-friendly space, Dr. Sweet offers invaluable insights that every clinician working with men should hear. Whether you've struggled to connect with male clients or wanted to refine your approach, this conversation will leave you with actionable strategies and a fresh perspective on working with men in therapy.

  12. 02/02/2025

    Episode 01: Building Relationships and Uncovering Emotions

    Please Send Us Your Thoughts on this Episode or the Podcast! Join us for the very first episode of Therapy with Boys and Men: A Guide for Clinicians.  In this episode with guest Dr. Fred Rabinowitz, we explore how to accomplish the most important and often challenging tasks therapists need to know to make their treatment with men successful. These include, how to build a strong therapeutic alliance, navigate the line between providing solutions versus sitting with emotions, invite men to "tell their story," and help men express their underlying pain. Dr. Fred Rabinowitz is one of the country's leading experts in working with men. He is Professor of Psychology at the University of Redlands, a clinician specializing in working with men for over 40 years, and a prolific author in the field of masculinities, co-authoring such books as  Man Alive: A Primer of Men's Issues, Men and Depression, Deepening Psychotherapy with Men, Breaking Barriers in Counseling Men, and Deepening Group Psychotherapy with Men. He's presented numerous times throughout the country, and is a member and Past-President of the American Psychological Association's Society for the Psychology of Men and Masculinities.

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Therapy with Boys and Men is a podcast for therapists, counselors, and mental health providers working with male clients — tackling men's mental health, masculinity, the manosphere, and the psychology of boys and men through conversations with leading clinicians and researchers. Working with men in therapy comes with real challenges: vulnerability and help-seeking don't come easily for a lot of male clients, and clinicians are often left without the training to understand what's actually going on for them — from loneliness and isolation to the pull of online manosphere content, from anger and disconnection to changing ideas about masculinity itself. Each episode brings you tools, research, and clinical wisdom from top experts, helping clinicians (and the women who love, parent, and work alongside men) better understand what men and boys are going through in 2026 America. Your hosts: Dr. Erica Liebman is a Philadelphia-based clinical psychologist specializing in men's mental health, couples therapy, and psychological assessments of military veterans. A board member of APA Division 51 (Society for the Psychology of Men & Masculinities), she advocates for better training on boys and men in psychology programs. ericaliebmanpsyd.com Dr. David Shepard is a Los Angeles-based psychologist with 30+ years of experience treating men individually and in couples therapy. A past president of APA Division 51 and Professor Emeritus in Counseling at Cal State Fullerton, he's published extensively on working with men and male partners in couple therapy. drdavidshepard.com

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