The Business & Faith Podcast®

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The Business & Faith Podcast® is where we learn from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose.Some conversations are entirely about business. Some are entirely about faith. Most are somewhere in between, where a leader is working out how the two fit together in real decisions with real people.These are conversations, not interviews. Wherever the conversation leads, that is where the episode goes. Nothing is scripted, and the best answers come from the hardest seasons, told honestly by the people who lived them: how they grew, why, what it cost, and what they believed that carried them through.This show is for leaders at every stage: the ones who want to lead and have not been given the chance yet, the ones just starting, the ones growing something that has begun to outgrow them, and the ones finishing well and handing it on. That includes founders and startup teams, managers leading without the title yet, pastors and nonprofit leaders, academics and the people building new tools, and parents leading their kids through sports and through life. Whether the organization you are growing is a company or a family, this is for you.New episodes weekly. The Business & Faith Podcast® is brought to you by Dataliction®.

  1. 3d ago

    #117 - (Some Of) Our Favorite Lessons We've Learned So Far

    Papa John was not in the pizza business. He was in the people business. Two emails reach a business owner more than any others. In this episode of The Business & Faith Podcast, John Staub and Travis Hall go back through the first stretch of the show and name the threads that kept turning up across very different leaders. Travis explains why owners who ignore ordinary podcast invitations started saying yes once the conversation included what drives their culture. John returns to John Porter's humble confidence, to Gina Rogean's habit of treating the root instead of the symptom, and to a personal tagline exercise that has stuck with him for years. Humility turns out to be the most consistent thread across every guest, and it shows up as availability rather than modesty. Leaders will walk away with a cheaper way to diagnose the next problem they are tempted to staff. Chapters: 00:00 Part Two, Same Room 01:52 The Two Emails Every Owner Gets 03:11 Faith as the Thing Driving the Culture 04:30 People Follow Real Leaders 05:28 Papa John and the People Business 10:05 A Learner Who Helps Others Learn 11:01 Humble Confidence and the Biggest Deal in the Room 13:53 The Humility Thread 15:20 Rural King and a Culture You Can Feel 17:20 What Love Looks Like at Work 19:10 Fight, Flight, Freeze, or Focus 21:36 Treat the Root, Not the Symptom 24:25 What You Are Going Through Right Now Matters 27:02 Why the Show Comes From Dataliction Links: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/ Travis Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-m-hall/ Brought to you by Dataliction: https://dataliction.com The Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  2. 4d ago

    #116 - Welcome to The Business & Faith Podcast

    The thing underneath the best answers was never a business principle. This episode has no cold open and no scripted introduction. In this episode of The Business & Faith Podcast, John Staub and Travis Hall explain why the show changed its name and what is staying exactly where it was. Travis Hall describes burning out on the build it up and sell it off pattern, and how he started choosing companies by their culture and first principles instead of their exit. John Staub traces his own path from a humanitarian aid project in Macapá, Brazil, through a decade of church work and three campus launches, into selling software to faith-based organizations. Together they reframe authenticity as open-handedness: the willingness to be wrong, and to let a good culture change you. The format, the cadence, and the guest list are not changing. The questions are getting more honest. Chapters: 00:00 No Cold Open, No Intro01:23 Why the Name Changed02:22 The Common Thread in Every Conversation04:16 You Can't Get the Real Without the Full06:07 What to Expect Week to Week07:49 Burned Out on Build It Up, Sell It Off09:16 Choosing Culture Over the Goalpost11:40 Nobody Goes In Planning to Be Changed14:01 Authenticity as Open-Handedness15:23 Brazil, Websites, and a Church Job17:39 Selling Software to Faith-Based Organizations19:16 What We Hope Leaders Walk Away With22:08 I See Me, and I'm Not Alone23:59 Applying to Be a GuestLinks: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/Travis Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-m-hall/Dataliction: https://dataliction.comApply to be a guest: https://businessandfaithpodcast.comRemodel Health (mentioned): https://remodelhealth.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  3. Sep 16

    #115 - Paul Brinkman - Whose Story Is Your Data Telling

    The numbers you use to grade a partner usually come straight from that partner. In this episode of The Dataliction Podcast®, John Staub talks with Paul Brinkman, president of Trans-Solutions Consulting, about what happens when a company runs on data it never actually owns. Paul works with manufacturers, retailers, and shippers whose reports arrive already summarized by carriers and third-party logistics providers, with the detail stripped out before anyone in the building sees it. He explains the giveaway that tells you your data has been cleaned before it reached you, why rolled-up cost numbers hide the story, and how trimming both ends of the bell curve gets a leadership team to the 80% they can agree on. He also lays out a reporting cadence for teams stepping out of firefighting mode, and what your data has to tell you before the next tariff or war risk surcharge lands. Chapters: 00:00 Whose Story Is Your Data Telling00:35 Meet Paul Brinkman and Trans-Solutions01:26 Firefighting Instead of Fixing the Cause02:40 How Much Data Is Enough03:35 Every Milestone From PO to Final Mile05:11 Catching Sparks Before They Become Fires06:59 The Mountain and Micro Adjustments08:34 Challenging the Cost of Doing Business10:41 The Only Constant Is Change16:11 Junk Data In, Junk Data Out17:40 Trimming Outliers to Find the Real 80%20:45 How to Spot Data That Has Been Cleaned23:40 Choosing Your Reporting Cadence27:50 Preparing for What's ComingConnect with the host and guest: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/Paul Brinkman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-brinkman-3634894/Trans-Solutions Consulting: https://trans-solutions.comDataliction: https://dataliction.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  4. Sep 15

    #114 - Josh Eldridge - Learning to Love the Hard Work

    Your circumstance and your self-worth have nothing to do with each other. In this episode of The Dataliction Podcast®, John Staub and Travis Hall talk with Josh Eldridge, a business coach at Painter Growth who owns a construction company in Knoxville, Tennessee. Josh is an Air Force veteran and a former pastor who lost his house and his first business, carried well over $100,000 in debt, and spent a November on scaffolding pulling brick off a wall with a sledgehammer. He explains why he tells people to build on their strengths instead of repairing their weaknesses, how he measures impact by earned trust rather than by goals he can keep moving, and what he does on the days he is not okay. He also talks openly about the months after his service when he did not want to be alive, and about the small thing that got him to the next morning. Chapters 00:00 The Thing That Keeps You From Panicking00:19 Meet Josh Eldridge 01:09 Purpose Comes Before Excellence02:15 Homeless, and Swinging a Sledgehammer03:15 Learning to Love the Hard Work04:34 The Input Is Not the Curse05:36 How Do You Measure Impact?07:39 Your Gifts Are the Map to Your Purpose10:45 Proximity Over Talent13:51 Talking About Not Being Okay18:28 One Small Goal at a Time21:58 Suffering, Endurance, and Hope26:15 Why He Doesn't Get Scared AnymoreConnect with the hosts and guests: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/Travis Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-m-hall/Josh Eldridge: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josh-eldridge-knoxPainter Growth: https://paintergrowth.comDataliction: https://dataliction.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  5. Sep 9

    #113 - John James - Nine Times Out of Ten

    Most firing decisions have nothing to do with performance. In this episode of The Dataliction Podcast®, John Staub talks with John James, president and CEO of Flex Tech, the Texas staffing firm he built for the low-voltage and electrical trades. John has been in staffing since 1994, and he says that nine times out of ten, a leader thinking about letting someone go is looking at a core values problem wearing a performance costume. He explains why keeping a mismatched employee costs more than replacing one, what goes into an Ideal Candidate Profile before a role is ever posted, and the five things his team screens for that a résumé will not tell you. Then he describes shutting off about $4,500 a month in job board spend because he was fishing in the same pond as every competitor, and the four days with a spiral notebook that produced the plan he still runs on. Chapters: 00:00 Four Days and a Spiral Notebook00:28 Meet John James and Flex Tech01:19 Firing Is Almost Never About Performance02:39 Why Waiting Costs More04:31 Core Values as the Real Filter06:21 The Ideal Candidate Profile07:47 Two Hires and What Changed Between Them10:35 Losing a Job and Learning Empathy13:42 Thirty Seconds After the Prayer16:47 The Five Things21:00 Stop Copying Your Competitors22:40 Turning Off the Job Boards27:16 The Sabbatical That Made the PlanConnect with the host and guest: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/Travis Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-m-hall/John James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnjames2700/Flex Tech: https://flextechnow.comDataliction: https://dataliction.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  6. Sep 8

    #112 - Gina Rogean - Treat the Root, Not the Symptom

    Her doctor reached for a prescription when the answer was sitting in her lab work. Fatigue sent Gina Rogean to a doctor who offered her an antidepressant she never took. In this episode of The Dataliction Podcast®, John Staub and Travis Hall talk with Gina, a board-certified nurse practitioner and the founder of GT3 Health, about the practice she built on three pillars: mind, body, and spirit. She explains why identity comes before improvement, why unresolved trauma blocks healing that vitamins alone cannot reach, and how a career that ran through a family restaurant, a Panera Bread general manager job, and a fire academy turned out to be preparation rather than detour. John and Travis connect her refusal to accept a surface answer to the way most companies read their own numbers. The question underneath the whole conversation: when the report says everything looks fine, who goes looking anyway? Chapters: 00:00 God Used Every Position I Was In00:30 Meet Gina Rogean and GT3 Health01:22 Three Parts, One Person 03:30 Where to Start: Spirit, Mind, or Body05:31 What Real Transformation Looks Like08:56 It All Comes Back to Identity10:32 Your Calling Is Not Your Job Title12:10 Every Seat Was Preparation15:00 A Vitamin D Level, Not an Antidepressant17:45 How GT3 Health Got Its Name21:47 Do You Love to Win or Hate to Lose24:19 Why People Come In at a Low Point27:21 Pulling One Thread at a Time29:54 Nothing Here but OpportunityConnect with the hosts and guest: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/Travis Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-m-hall/Gina Rogean: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gina-rogean-aprn-bc-abaahp-4992792ab/GT3 Health: https://gt3health.comDataliction: https://dataliction.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  7. Sep 2

    #111 - Bruce Hoeker - Lift Your Head Up

    There is only one CFO on a campus, and everyone is looking at them. Bruce Hoeker was 29 when he took a college vice president job knowing almost nothing about higher education. In this episode of The Dataliction Podcast®, John Staub talks with Bruce Hoeker, chief executive officer of the Association of Business Administrators of Christian Colleges, about why isolation is the quiet danger in leadership and why connection is a survival skill rather than a soft one. Bruce tells the story of the conference attendee he found crying alone in an emptied room, and the sentence she gave him: I thought it was just me. He explains how an email listserv taught him the job, why he tells business officers to lift their heads up and leave the building, and where an AI chatbot stops being useful. Higher ed CFOs last about seven years, by his count. The ones who leave their desks tend to run the strongest schools. Chapters: 00:00 I Thought It Was Just Me00:22 Meet Bruce Hoeker and ABACC01:12 A Vice President at Twenty-Nine02:24 The Woman in the Empty Room03:27 Only One CFO on a Campus05:33 Learning the Job From a Listserv08:22 Why Higher Ed Runs on Committee09:26 Everyone Is Looking at You10:40 Seven Years and Out12:36 The Job He Was Designed For17:00 Checked Boxes Are Not the Reward20:53 Lift Your Head Up and Leave the Building25:26 Where the Chatbot Stops Helping29:44 Too Busy for the Thing That Would HelpConnect with the host and guest: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/Bruce Hoeker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-hoeker-a1778028ABACC: https://www.myabacc.orgBook a free call with the Dataliction team: https://dataliction.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

  8. Sep 1

    #110 - John Porter - The Worst Time to Decide Is the 11th Hour

    Most of what looks like a snap decision was made years earlier. In this episode of The Dataliction Podcast®, John Staub talks with John Porter, president of Charter Properties, the Charlotte firm developing apartment communities across the Carolinas where he has spent 27 years and led for the last eight. Porter says his first 20 years made him a difficult man to deal with, until a situation he could not fix humbled him. He explains why compromise wrecks a culture faster than a bad hire does, why he sent an interview panel back to the drawing board when one person out of five did not feel right, and what happened when a $70 million deal walked in with a two-week clock on it. The thread running through all of it is preparation. The foundation gets laid long before the decision shows up. Chapters: 00:00 Humbled Twenty Years In00:25 Meet John Porter and Charter Properties01:19 What Compromise Costs a Culture02:19 Where Good Hiring Actually Starts05:04 The Situation He Could Not Fix06:00 Humble Confidence and Stewardship07:34 Every Hire Changes the Culture11:49 Deciding What Is Non-Negotiable14:04 Three Values the Team Can Recite18:37 Many Advisors, One Decision21:00 Why the 11th Hour Is the Worst Time25:22 The $70 Million Deal on the Clock28:37 What Transition Looks Like Now32:04 The Habit He'd Keep: CuriosityConnect with the host and guest: John Staub: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-staub/John Porter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-porter-9511a618/Charter Properties: https://www.charterproperties.comDataliction: https://dataliction.comThe Business & Faith Podcast—learning from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose. New episodes weekly. Brought to you by Dataliction. Follow us and keep the conversation going. Enjoy this episode? Leave a review and share it with someone who needs to hear it!

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The Business & Faith Podcast® is where we learn from leaders whose experience and faith shape how they grow their organizations on purpose.Some conversations are entirely about business. Some are entirely about faith. Most are somewhere in between, where a leader is working out how the two fit together in real decisions with real people.These are conversations, not interviews. Wherever the conversation leads, that is where the episode goes. Nothing is scripted, and the best answers come from the hardest seasons, told honestly by the people who lived them: how they grew, why, what it cost, and what they believed that carried them through.This show is for leaders at every stage: the ones who want to lead and have not been given the chance yet, the ones just starting, the ones growing something that has begun to outgrow them, and the ones finishing well and handing it on. That includes founders and startup teams, managers leading without the title yet, pastors and nonprofit leaders, academics and the people building new tools, and parents leading their kids through sports and through life. Whether the organization you are growing is a company or a family, this is for you.New episodes weekly. The Business & Faith Podcast® is brought to you by Dataliction®.