Lawyers Without Billboards

Shewmaker & Lewis

Real lawyers, real talk—without the billboards. Lawyers Without Billboards is an unfiltered look at family law, hosted by the partners of Shewmaker & Lewis: Steve and Patty Shewmaker, and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis. With decades of experience in divorce, custody battles, child support, alimony, and criminal law, they break down legal myths, share expert insights, and dive into real cases (sometimes with a side of humor). Expect candid conversations, legal deep dives, and the occasional sidebar on pop culture, legal movies, and life as family law attorneys. Whether you're navigating a family law issue, practicing law yourself, or just enjoy courtroom drama, this podcast offers valuable insights with a dose of levity. New episodes every two weeks Subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcasts!

  1. Inside Family Court: Judge Scott Kaye Explains What Really Happens | Lawyers Without Billboards - S2 Ep25

    2d ago

    Inside Family Court: Judge Scott Kaye Explains What Really Happens | Lawyers Without Billboards - S2 Ep25

    What exactly does a judicial officer do in Fulton County Family Court? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve, Patty, and Jimmy sit down with Judge Scott Kaye, one of Fulton County's most experienced judicial officers, to pull back the curtain on how family court really works. Judge Kaye explains the purpose of 30-day, 60-day, and 120-day status conferences, how temporary hearings and contempt actions are handled, and why Fulton County's specialized Family Division often moves cases much faster than other courts. The conversation also explores what qualifies as a true family law emergency, how Zoom hearings changed the court system, and some of the most memorable courtroom moments Judge Kaye has witnessed along the way. Along the way, the group dives into legal movies, divorce stories, bad movies, courtroom decorum, and why showing up to court from your bathtub is never a good idea. In this episode:  ✅ What a judicial officer does  ✅ How Fulton County Family Court operates  ✅ 30-day, 60-day, and 120-day status conferences  ✅ Temporary hearings and contempt actions  ✅ Emergency motions in family law cases  ✅ Zoom court etiquette and courtroom decorum  ✅ Common mistakes litigants make  ✅ Why Fulton County cases often move faster  ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 Introduction 00:42 Meet Judge Scott Kaye 02:57 From Emory to Family Law 05:35 What Is a Judicial Officer? 07:08 Why Fulton County Has a Family Division 09:53 Understanding Status Conferences 11:24 What Cases Judicial Officers Hear 13:15 What Litigants Need to Know About Court 14:00 Zoom Court Horror Stories 15:13 Courtroom Decorum for Attorneys 18:55 How Fulton County Created Zoom Court 19:48 Why Fulton Handles So Many Family Law Cases 20:18 Judge Kaye's Life Outside the Courtroom 21:15 Favorite Legal and Divorce Movies 24:00 Is Kill Bill the Ultimate Baby Mama Drama? 25:51 The Best Judicial Officers in Fulton County 27:30 Memorable Family Law Cases 31:00 Children of the Underground & Family Court Emergencies 33:00 What Really Qualifies as an Emergency? 35:10 The Famous Fulton County 1000-4 Rule 39:50 Fulton vs. Gwinnett Family Court 41:40 What Attorneys Should Know About Judge Kaye 44:05 Final Thoughts 🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/RGv9SBr_N1g or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    46 min
  2. Real Estate and Divorce: Protect Equity and Reduce Conflict with Jill Heineck | Lawyers Without Billboards S2- Ep24

    Jun 11

    Real Estate and Divorce: Protect Equity and Reduce Conflict with Jill Heineck | Lawyers Without Billboards S2- Ep24

    For many divorcing couples, the marital home is their largest asset and often one of the most emotionally charged parts of the divorce process. In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve Shewmaker, Alexa Lewis, and Jimmy Lewis sit down with certified divorce real estate expert Jill Heineck to discuss how specialized real estate guidance can help families protect equity, reduce conflict, and navigate the sale of a home during divorce. Jill explains what makes divorce real estate different from a traditional home sale, why involving a divorce real estate expert early can save time and money, and how proper planning can prevent costly disputes down the road. The conversation covers everything from drafting settlement language and managing difficult parties to handling occupied homes and maximizing the value of the marital residence. Whether you're going through a divorce, considering one, or simply want to understand how real estate issues are handled in family law cases, this episode offers practical insights you won't want to miss. In This Episode:  ✔ What a Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert (CDRE) does  ✔ Why timing matters when selling a marital home  ✔ Protecting equity during divorce proceedings  ✔ Common mistakes attorneys and clients make  ✔ Handling difficult co-owners and contested sales  ✔ Expert testimony and property valuations in divorce cases  ✔ How specialized real estate guidance can reduce conflict and delays About Our Guest Jill Heineck is a Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert (CDRE) serving the Atlanta area. She specializes in helping divorcing couples navigate the sale of marital property while protecting equity and minimizing conflict throughout the process. 🌐 Learn more: HeineckAndCompany.com ⏱️ Chapters  00:00 Introduction  00:42 Meet Jill Heineck  01:45 What Is a Certified Divorce Real Estate Expert?  03:13 How Divorce Real Estate Differs from Traditional Home Sales  05:49 Protecting Equity in the Marital Residence  06:47 Why Earlier Involvement Leads to Better Outcomes  08:22 Managing Difficult Parties and Communication Challenges  10:09 Occupied Homes, Showings, and Court Orders  12:12 Why Divorce Real Estate Requires Specialized Expertise  13:13 Reviewing Settlement Language Before It's Finalized  15:23 Attorney Communication Protocols and Client Compliance  17:25 Geographic Coverage and Working Across Georgia  20:58 Property Valuations and Testifying as an Expert  23:47 Family Law Institute and Final Thoughts  25:13 How to Contact Jill Heineck  25:57 Closing Remarks  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/TMfSy2SP6hs or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    27 min
  3. What If Your Ex Runs Away with Your Child? | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep23

    Jun 4

    What If Your Ex Runs Away with Your Child? | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep23

    What happens when a parent takes a child and disappears? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, the attorneys at Shewmaker & Lewis tackle one of the most frightening concerns parents face during custody disputes: child abduction by a parent or family member. The discussion explores real-world cases of domestic and international child abduction, the controversial story of Faye Yager and Children of the Underground, and the legal tools available to help prevent a parent from fleeing with a child. From custody orders and passport alerts to travel restrictions and court-imposed safeguards, the hosts explain what parents can do when they fear a child may be taken. You'll also learn how Amber Alerts actually work, why most family abduction cases don't qualify, and what courts can realistically do when concerns about child abduction arise. Whether you're navigating a custody dispute or simply want to understand your rights, this episode offers practical insights into one of family law's most serious issues. ⏱️ Chapters  00:00 Introduction  00:55 What Is Family Child Abduction?  02:15 The Story of Faye Yager & Children of the Underground  07:10 Family Abductions vs. Stranger Abductions  10:15 Real Cases of Parents Taking Children Across State Lines  12:10 International Child Abduction Concerns  13:25 How Courts Can Help Prevent Child Abduction  14:15 Passport Alert Programs & Do-Not-Depart Orders  16:10 Habitual Residence and Hague Convention Considerations  17:30 Why a Custody Order Is Your Best Protection  18:20 Are Amber Alerts Effective?  22:40 Using Bonds to Deter Child Abduction  25:35 Can Child Abduction Ever Be Justified?  27:50 Final Thoughts  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/9y0vPomVCn8 or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    29 min
  4. QDRO Nightmares: Divorce Retirement Mistakes to Avoid | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep22

    May 28

    QDRO Nightmares: Divorce Retirement Mistakes to Avoid | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep22

    Retirement accounts can become one of the most confusing and expensive parts of a divorce… especially when QDROs are involved. In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, the team at Shewmaker & Lewis dives deep into the world of QDROs (Qualified Domestic Relations Orders), retirement account divisions, pensions, gains and losses, plan administrator headaches, and the costly mistakes attorneys and divorcing parties make all the time. Jimmy, Patty, and Alexa break down practical QDRO “practice points” that can save people thousands of dollars and months of frustration, while Steve provides comic relief and repeatedly declares this “the most boring podcast ever.” 😄 From pre-approval mistakes to undividable retirement plans, delayed QDRO disasters, and confusion over gains and losses, this episode is packed with real-world insights for anyone navigating divorce and retirement division issues. 🎧 Whether you're divorcing, practicing family law, or just enjoy hearing Steve slowly unravel during technical legal discussions, this episode delivers. ⏱️ Chapters  00:00 – Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards  01:06 – What are QDRO practice points?  02:44 – Why pre-approval matters  05:41 – Understanding model language  09:21 – Retirement plans that cannot be divided  10:50 – Gains and losses explained  15:17 – Problems with old valuation dates  17:17 – Why lawyers aren’t financial planners  20:35 – Doing your homework during discovery  23:22 – “Troublemaking provisions” to avoid  24:15 – Why parties should always review QDROs  26:30 – Steve declares this the “worst podcast ever”  27:29 – Closing thoughts  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here:https://youtu.be/NcprnTFIObQ or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    28 min
  5. The Art of the Opening Statement | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep21

    May 21

    The Art of the Opening Statement | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep21

    What makes a great opening statement? Is it storytelling? Strategy? Psychology? Or knowing exactly when to bend the rules without breaking them? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, the team at Shewmaker & Lewis dives deep into one of the most important — and misunderstood — parts of any trial: the opening statement. Steve, Patty, Jimmy, and Alexa break down:  Why opening statements may matter more than closing arguments  How jurors and judges form impressions early  The importance of themes, roadmaps, and courtroom storytelling  Why lawyers should address bad facts head-on  The difference between arguing and “advocating”  How broken promises in opening statements can destroy credibility  Real courtroom war stories, including jury objections, snap decisions, and Steve’s unforgettable “first-person opening statement” technique Whether you're fascinated by courtroom strategy, jury psychology, or just love hearing experienced trial lawyers swap stories, this episode pulls back the curtain on how cases are framed before the first witness ever testifies. 🎙️ No gimmicks. No billboards. Just real lawyers talking about what really happens in court. ⏱️ Chapters  00:00 – Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards  00:55 – What is the purpose of an opening statement?  03:30 – Why themes matter in trial strategy  05:20 – Opening statements vs. closing arguments  07:30 – Why jurors make up their minds early  11:05 – Can lawyers “open the door” in opening statements?  12:20 – How to craft a compelling opening  15:55 – How much argument is too much?  16:50 – How long should an opening statement be?  18:20 – Addressing bad facts before the other side does  20:55 – Promises lawyers should never make  22:20 – DUI example: facts vs. argument  25:20 – Why lawyers take notes during openings  26:20 – Turning an opening statement into evidence  27:40 – Art vs. science in courtroom storytelling  28:20 – Favorite courtroom opening statement stories  31:15 – Steve’s unforgettable “first-person opening”  36:20 – Final thoughts on courtroom advocacy  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/0h3fiWjIp0U or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    39 min
  6. Closing Arguments: The Most Important Part of a Trial? | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep20

    May 14

    Closing Arguments: The Most Important Part of a Trial? | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep20

    What actually happens during closing arguments in court? And are they really the most important part of a trial? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, the attorneys at Shewmaker & Lewis break down the strategy behind effective closing arguments, including how attorneys persuade juries, simplify complicated evidence, and tailor arguments differently for judges versus jurors. The team shares real courtroom experiences involving difficult judges, dramatic jury trials, objections during closing arguments, visual presentations, and memorable courtroom moments that shaped how they practice law today. Topics include:  The purpose of closing arguments  Why openings may matter more than closings  Bench trial vs. jury trial strategy  Using exhibits and demonstrative evidence effectively  Objections during closing arguments  Storytelling techniques in litigation  When attorneys decide not to give a closing at all Whether you’re interested in family law, courtroom strategy, or behind-the-scenes legal stories, this episode offers an entertaining and informative look at trial advocacy from experienced litigators. ⏱️ Chapters  00:00 Intro  00:36 What Is a Closing Argument?  01:51 Are Closing Arguments Important?  03:09 When Judges Don’t Want to Hear Closings  05:07 Do Jurors Decide Before Closing Arguments?  06:07 Explaining Your Case to the Judge  07:04 Effective Closing Argument Techniques  08:33 Should You Script a Closing Argument?  09:35 Learning the Hard Way in Court  10:32 Using PowerPoint and Visual Aids  11:27 When Less Is More in Closing Arguments  13:13 Favorite Courtroom Closing Stories  15:04 Bench Trials vs. Jury Trials  16:24 Visual Demonstratives and Jury Persuasion  17:26 The “Black Hole” Theory of Circumstantial Evidence  19:01 High-Conflict Divorce Trial Stories  20:55 Ethics and Objections During Closing Arguments  23:36 Final Thoughts on Effective Closings  24:20 Outro  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/V9M0Cl-uh1o or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    25 min
  7. When Does Your Lawyer’s Representation End? | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep19

    May 7

    When Does Your Lawyer’s Representation End? | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep19

    In this episode, the attorneys at Shewmaker & Lewis discuss two recent Georgia Court of Appeals decisions that could significantly impact how lawyers handle appeals and post-trial representation. The conversation focuses on situations where parties attempted to file appeals on their own while their attorneys were still technically counsel of record, and why those filings were treated as legal nullities. Steve, Patty, Jimmy, and Alexa break down:  The dangers surrounding the 30-day appeal window  Why attorney withdrawal orders matter  The distinction between civil and criminal appeal procedures  How these rulings may affect family law and civil litigation practice  Practical steps lawyers may need to take to protect clients and themselves This episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at how procedural appellate rules can dramatically affect real cases. ⏱️ Chapters  00:00 Introduction  01:18 “When Does Representation End?”  02:45 The Muhammad v. Clayton County Case  06:50 What Is Summary Judgment?  08:30 The Pro Se Appeal Problem  11:55 Why the Appeal Was Dismissed  13:00 Why Internal Emails Weren’t Enough  16:30 Criminal vs. Civil Appeals  18:35 Why These Cases Scare Lawyers  21:00 How Law Firms May Need to Change Contracts  24:00 Filing Motions for New Trial  26:15 Real-World Examples From Practice  28:15 Will Lawyers Actually Adapt?  29:35 Final Thoughts  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/iu_cxY1J9CM or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    31 min
  8. QDROs, Pensions, and Divorce: Don’t Make This Expensive Mistake | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep18

    Apr 30

    QDROs, Pensions, and Divorce: Don’t Make This Expensive Mistake | Lawyers Without Billboards S2-Ep18

    Retirement accounts are often one of the largest assets in a divorce — and one of the easiest to mishandle. In this episode, we break down QDROs (Qualified Domestic Relations Orders), how they work, and why failing to handle them correctly can lead to tax consequences, penalties, and costly disputes years later. We cover:  How retirement accounts are divided in divorce  When a QDRO is required—and when it isn’t  Why pensions and government plans can be tricky  Common drafting mistakes that create problems down the road  What to do if a QDRO wasn’t done at the time of divorce If you’re going through a divorce, or advising someone who is, this episode will help you avoid one of the most expensive mistakes people make. ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 – Intro 01:10 – What is a QDRO (and why it matters) 03:30 – Avoiding taxes and penalties in divorce 04:40 – When a QDRO is required… and when it’s not 05:50 – IRAs vs 401(k)s vs pensions 08:00 – What happens when one party doesn’t cooperate 10:00 – Why waiting years can cause major problems 11:50 – Retirement accounts that can’t be divided (TRS pitfalls) 13:20 – Common mistakes in settlement agreements 15:30 – Why pensions are more complicated than you think 18:00 – The challenge of drafting QDROs after the fact 20:00 – Key takeaways: how to protect yourself 🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/_rw_DWMQeVg or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    24 min
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Real lawyers, real talk—without the billboards. Lawyers Without Billboards is an unfiltered look at family law, hosted by the partners of Shewmaker & Lewis: Steve and Patty Shewmaker, and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis. With decades of experience in divorce, custody battles, child support, alimony, and criminal law, they break down legal myths, share expert insights, and dive into real cases (sometimes with a side of humor). Expect candid conversations, legal deep dives, and the occasional sidebar on pop culture, legal movies, and life as family law attorneys. Whether you're navigating a family law issue, practicing law yourself, or just enjoy courtroom drama, this podcast offers valuable insights with a dose of levity. New episodes every two weeks Subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcasts!

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    Shewmaker & Lewis
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    2025 - 2026
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    67
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