Lawyers Without Billboards

Shewmaker & Lewis

Real lawyers, real talk—without the billboards. Lawyers Without Billboards is an unfiltered look at family law, hosted by the partners of Shewmaker & Lewis: Steve and Patty Shewmaker, and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis. With decades of experience in divorce, custody battles, child support, alimony, and criminal law, they break down legal myths, share expert insights, and dive into real cases (sometimes with a side of humor). Expect candid conversations, legal deep dives, and the occasional sidebar on pop culture, legal movies, and life as family law attorneys. Whether you're navigating a family law issue, practicing law yourself, or just enjoy courtroom drama, this podcast offers valuable insights with a dose of levity. New episodes every two weeks Subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcasts!

  1. ROTC Disenrollment Part 2: The Trial Where Your Lawyer Can’t Speak | LWB S2 Ep10

    2D AGO

    ROTC Disenrollment Part 2: The Trial Where Your Lawyer Can’t Speak | LWB S2 Ep10

    In Part 2 of our ROTC disenrollment series, we examine the hearing process itself — and why it shocks so many families. Yes, you can hire an attorney.  No, your attorney cannot speak during the hearing. Instead, the cadet must conduct their own examination of witnesses, cross-examine accusers, introduce evidence, and make arguments — often in cases involving serious allegations. We break down:  • The structure of ROTC disenrollment hearings  • Why post-hearing review can take over a year  • What happens if command overrides the board  • The financial consequences if disenrollment stands  • Why preparation can cost more than trial representation If you’re facing ROTC disenrollment, this episode explains the reality of the process — and why strategic preparation is critical. ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 – Part 2 Begins: Why This System Is So Frustrating  01:04 – Should You Hire an Attorney Who Can’t Speak?  02:43 – Why “Winning” Doesn’t End the Process  03:05 – The Army’s Multi-Level Review Process  04:48 – A Year in Limbo After Victory  05:59 – Sexual Assault Allegations in ROTC Hearings  08:40 – The Proof Chart Strategy  09:02 – Training a Cadet to Act as Their Own Lawyer  11:38 – The Real Cost of Preparation  13:46 – False Allegations & Military Culture  17:24 – Is There Any Appeal After ROTC Command?  18:11 – Repayment: $25,000 to $200,000+  19:21 – Enlistment vs. Repayment  20:09 – Final Takeaways 🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/4p0HMzJgMuQ or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    22 min
  2. ROTC Disenrollment Part 1: When a Scholarship Becomes a Six-Figure Debt | Lawyers Without Billboards - S2 -Ep9

    FEB 26

    ROTC Disenrollment Part 1: When a Scholarship Becomes a Six-Figure Debt | Lawyers Without Billboards - S2 -Ep9

    What happens when an ROTC cadet is accused of misconduct, academic failure, or a serious violation of military standards? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, the team breaks down the high-stakes world of ROTC disenrollment hearings — where a scholarship can suddenly transform into a six-figure debt or even mandatory enlisted service. ROTC contracts are not symbolic. They are binding agreements with the United States government. And when issues arise — whether involving grades, conduct, DUIs, drugs, or allegations of sexual misconduct — cadets can find themselves facing a formal disenrollment process that feels more like a military tribunal than a campus disciplinary hearing. In Part 1, the panel explains: What ROTC disenrollment actually meansHow the process beginsThe types of allegations that trigger hearingsWhat rights cadets haveHow scholarship repayment is calculatedWhy early legal strategy mattersIf you or your student is contracted in ROTC, this is information you need before a problem arises. Part 2 will dive deeper into hearings, outcomes, and appeals. ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 – Intro 00:41 – Welcome & Today’s Topic: ROTC Disenrollments 02:00 – What Does ROTC Stand For? 02:14 – The Three Paths to Becoming an Officer 04:30 – How ROTC Works on College Campuses 06:18 – ROTC vs Academies: Who Produces Better Officers? 09:25 – ROTC Contracts & Giving Up Civil Liberties 10:19 – What Is a Contracted Cadet? 11:53 – What Gets You Kicked Out of ROTC? 14:12 – “Back in the 80s”: ROTC Then vs Now 16:24 – Contracted vs Non-Contracted Cadets 18:31 – Notice of Disenrollment: What Happens First? 20:33 – When Title IX & Criminal Charges Complicate Things 22:47 – Requesting a Hearing (Or Waiving It) 23:21 – Air Force vs Other Branches: Key Differences 24:12 – What the Hearing Looks Like 27:38 – Winning the Board Isn’t the End 29:57 – Repayment vs Enlisted Service 30:28 – Part 2 Preview 🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/p2Tfy5Ntv_U or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    32 min
  3. Military Pensions Explained: The 10-10 Rule, DFAS & High-36 | Lawyers Without Billboards S2 - Ep8

    FEB 19

    Military Pensions Explained: The 10-10 Rule, DFAS & High-36 | Lawyers Without Billboards S2 - Ep8

    Military retirement benefits can be one of the most valuable — and most misunderstood — assets in a divorce. In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve, Patty, Jimmy, and Alexa break down the fundamentals of military pensions, including the often-confused 10-10 Rule, how DFAS works, and what “High-36” really means. They explain how military retirement differs from private-sector pensions, why the 20-year “cliff vesting” rule matters, and what can go wrong when attorneys draft unclear or incorrect pension language in settlement agreements. Whether you're a service member, spouse, or attorney handling a military divorce, this episode provides practical insight into: • How military pensions are calculated  • The difference between the old retirement system and the blended retirement system  • What the 10-10 Rule actually does (and doesn’t do)  • When DFAS will pay a former spouse directly  • Common drafting mistakes that create major problems later  • Why “pay me now or pay me later” applies to military pension division Military pension division is nuanced, technical, and full of traps for the unwary. Getting it right matters. ⏱ Chapter Markers 00:00 – Introduction  01:00 – What Is a Military Pension?  02:30 – Cliff Vesting: The 20-Year Rule  04:30 – Active Duty vs. Reserve Retirement  07:00 – How Military Pensions Are Calculated (High-36 Explained)  10:00 – The Blended Retirement System vs. the Old System  13:30 – The 10-10 Rule: What It Actually Means  17:30 – When DFAS Pays the Former Spouse Directly  20:00 – Common Drafting Mistakes in Military Divorce  24:00 – Offsetting the Pension Instead of Dividing It  27:00 – Why Military Pension Language Must Be Precise  28:30 – Closing Thoughts 🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/qMYIukopyrc or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    29 min
  4. Preparing Witnesses for Trial: What Good Lawyers Actually Do | Lawyers Without Billboards - S2  Ep7

    FEB 12

    Preparing Witnesses for Trial: What Good Lawyers Actually Do | Lawyers Without Billboards - S2 Ep7

    Should lawyers prepare their clients for testimony? Absolutely. But preparation does not mean telling someone what to say. In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve, Patty, Jimmy, and Alexa break down what real trial preparation looks like — and why it starts long before you ever step into a courtroom. From correcting language habits in the very first consultation to organizing emails months before trial, the team shares practical strategies that separate prepared attorneys from those who simply “wing it.” They also discuss: Why clients revert to their “lowest level of training” under stressThe dangers of waiting until the courthouse steps to preparePreparing witnesses remotely vs. in personHow to structure testimony in clear, logical chaptersWhy you should always practice cross-examination with your own clientAnd what happens when lawyers call witnesses they’ve never spoken toIf you’re a client heading toward court — or a younger attorney learning the ropes — this episode offers real insight into how strong trial preparation wins cases. Because surprises in court are expensive. ⏱️ Chapter Markers  00:00 – Introduction  01:41 – Should Lawyers Prepare Witnesses?  03:00 – When Trial Preparation Really Begins  04:08 – Breaking Bad Language Habits Early  06:00 – Reverting to Your Lowest Level of Training  09:05 – Organizing Emails & Building Trial Strategy Early  12:46 – In-Person vs Remote Witness Preparation  17:00 – Zoom Hearings & Technology Pitfalls  21:47 – Why You Must Prepare Every Witness  24:25 – How to Structure Direct Examination (Chapters & Topics)  29:02 – Repetition, Drilling & Reducing Surprises  31:59 – Preparing Clients for Cross-Examination  🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/RZbNPK0NvSA or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: sshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions 🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    34 min
  5. The Roses on Trial: Marriage, Power, and the Cost of Winning

    FEB 5

    The Roses on Trial: Marriage, Power, and the Cost of Winning

    What happens when a marriage becomes a zero-sum game - and what does it really cost to “win”? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve and Patty Shewmaker and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis put the 2025 remake The Roses on trial, comparing it to the original War of the Roses and examining what both films reveal about marriage, power, identity, and conflict. Unlike the original, which focused heavily on divorce and courtroom warfare, The Roses reframes the story as a study of marriage itself - career imbalance, resentment, sacrifice, and the quiet ways couples lose each other long before lawyers get involved. The panel explores how modern dynamics—dual careers, public humiliation, social media, and shifting power - reshape the story, and why the most revealing moments don’t happen in court at all. Topics include: How The Roses differs from War of the Roses in focus and messageWhy this remake is about marriage more than divorcePower shifts when one spouse’s career collapses as the other’s explodesThe role of resentment, sacrifice, and unspoken expectationsWhat Amy and Barry reveal about “surviving” marriageWhy the house becomes the ultimate battlegroundHow social media accelerates marital destructionThe lone legal scene—and what it gets right and wrongWhy “winning” often leaves everyone worse offWhether you’re married, divorced, or advising clients in conflict, this episode offers a surprisingly sharp lens on how relationships unravel—and why the most dangerous fights are rarely about the law. ⏱️ Chapter Markers 00:00 – Podcast introduction and show overview  00:00:40 – Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards  00:01:15 – Introducing The Roses and its connection to War of the Roses 00:03:02 – Why remakes often fail—and why this one works 00:05:10 – Divorce movie vs. marriage movie: the key distinction 00:06:57 – Career collapse, career explosion, and shifting power 00:09:14 – Resentment, sacrifice, and the “altar of marriage” 00:11:32 – Amy and Barry: the most honest take on marriage in the film 00:14:02 – When friends see the cracks before the couple does 00:15:48 – The house as leverage, identity, and weapon 00:18:06 – Social media, public humiliation, and modern conflict 00:20:11 – The dinner party scene and performative cruelty 00:22:34 – Destruction as communication: escalation without brakes 00:24:41 – The lone legal scene: mediation, lawyers, and realism 00:27:03 – Why “winning” becomes the real loss 00:28:52 – Final thoughts: marriage, mortality, and what the ending means 🔔 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, relationships, and the legal system - without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis  🎧 Watch here: https://youtu.be/RZbNPK0NvSA  or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: pshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com | (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez – Dragonsong Productions  🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc.  🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner  📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    31 min
  6. From the Bench: Judge Alex Manning on TPOs, Credibility, and Courtroom Reality

    JAN 29

    From the Bench: Judge Alex Manning on TPOs, Credibility, and Courtroom Reality

    What really happens inside Temporary Protective Order (TPO) court, and how do judges separate real danger from strategic filings? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve and Patty Shewmaker and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis sit down with Fulton County Magistrate Judge Alex Manning for an unfiltered conversation about life on the bench, domestic violence hearings, and the realities judges face every day in TPO court. Judge Manning pulls back the curtain on how credibility is evaluated, why volume does not equal truth, and how TPOs can be misused during divorce and custody disputes. She also shares unforgettable courtroom moments, lessons learned during COVID-era virtual hearings, and the emotional weight judges carry long after the courtroom clears. This episode blends humor, hard truth, and professional insight into one of the most misunderstood areas of family law. Topics include: • What really happens in TPO court  • How judges assess credibility and firsthand knowledge  • Common mistakes attorneys make in protective order hearings  • Strategic misuse of TPOs in divorce cases  • Why judges talk and patterns matter  • COVID courtroom chaos and virtual hearing disasters  • The emotional toll of domestic violence cases  • Why in-person hearings matter for credibility  • Lessons lawyers and litigants should take into every courtroom If you practice family law, handle protective orders, or want an honest look at how decisions are made from the bench, this episode delivers rare perspective straight from the judge’s chair. ⏱️ Chapter Markers 00:00 – Podcast introduction and show overview  00:00:40 – Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards  00:01:15 – Introducing Judge Alex Manning  00:02:45 – What magistrate judges really do  00:04:30 – Inside TPO court and why it’s misunderstood  00:06:10 – Spotting weak and strategic TPO filings  00:08:05 – Credibility, firsthand knowledge, and facts vs. noise  00:10:12 – “I cannot unsee that”: courtroom rules and phone evidence  00:12:10 – COVID-era hearings and virtual courtroom chaos  00:14:40 – Why in-person hearings matter  00:16:20 – Judges talk: strategy, patterns, and consequences  00:18:15 – When TPOs intersect with divorce and custody cases  00:20:30 – The emotional toll of domestic violence cases  00:22:45 – Managing stress, perspective, and burnout on the bench  00:24:40 – Judge Manning’s background and path to the bench  00:27:30 – Final thoughts and closing remarks 🔔 Subscribe for honest conversations about family law and the legal system without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis 🎧 Listen or Watch  Watch on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/qLVEoh0xuaw or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: sshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com or call (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 📺 Subscribe for candid conversations about family law, custody, mediation, and courtroom reality. 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez at Dragonsong Productions  🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    34 min
  7. Military Divorce Pitfalls: The Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) Explained

    JAN 22

    Military Divorce Pitfalls: The Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) Explained

    Military Divorce Pitfalls: The Survivor Benefit Plan Explained What happens to a military pension after divorce, and what happens if the service member dies? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve and Patty Shewmaker and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis break down one of the most misunderstood and high-risk issues in military divorce: the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP). SBP can determine whether a former spouse continues receiving income after a service member’s death, but it is governed by strict federal statutes, unforgiving deadlines, and complex election rules. Miss one step or one window, and the benefit can be lost permanently. The panel explains how SBP works, when it must be elected, who can receive it, and the common traps that catch both attorneys and families off guard. Topics include: • What the Survivor Benefit Plan is and what it is not  • How SBP differs from private pensions  • Election windows for active duty and reserve service members  • Why SBP can disappear after divorce if deadlines are missed  • The one-year “deemed election” rule and why it matters  • What happens when a former spouse remarries before age 55  • Why SBP is often the biggest malpractice risk in military divorce cases If you or your client is dealing with a military divorce, this episode explains why SBP cannot be treated as an afterthought. ⏱️ Chapter Markers 00:00 – Podcast introduction and show overview  00:00:40 – Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards  00:01:20 – Introducing the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP)  00:03:28 – Why SBP matters in military divorce  00:04:22 – How military pensions differ from private pensions  00:05:44 – What happens to pension benefits after death  00:06:47 – When and how SBP must be elected  00:07:52 – Active duty vs. reserve SBP election windows  00:09:27 – Why SBP is a “unitary benefit”  00:11:04 – Who can and cannot receive SBP  00:13:48 – SBP costs and premium structure  00:15:41 – Common pitfalls and malpractice risks  00:16:34 – The one-year deemed election deadline  00:18:04 – King v. King and real-world consequences  00:19:53 – When SBP is lost forever  00:21:57 – Remarriage before age 55 and SBP termination  00:24:29 – Final thoughts and closing remarks 🔔 Subscribe for honest conversations about family law and the legal system without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis   🎧 Listen or Watch Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/joBxzR8F6pQ or listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: jlewis@shewmakerandlewis.com or call (770) 939-1939   🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 📺 Subscribe for new episodes and candid conversations about family law, custody, mediation, and conflict resolution. 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez at Dragonsong Productions  🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    26 min
  8. Inside the Solicitor’s Office: A Conversation with Gwinnett County Solicitor Lisa Marie Bristol

    JAN 15

    Inside the Solicitor’s Office: A Conversation with Gwinnett County Solicitor Lisa Marie Bristol

    What does a County Solicitor actually do, and why does it matter if you’re charged with a misdemeanor? In this episode of Lawyers Without Billboards, Steve Shewmaker and Alexa  & Jimmy Lewis talk with Gwinnett County Solicitor Lisa Marie Bristol about her role, her office, and how misdemeanor cases are handled in Georgia courts. From traffic offenses to more serious misdemeanor charges, the Solicitor’s Office is often the first and most important stop in the criminal justice system. Lisa Marie Bristol explains how charging decisions are made, what discretion prosecutors have, and what defendants often misunderstand about misdemeanor cases. Topics include: The difference between a Solicitor and a District AttorneyWhat types of cases the Solicitor’s Office handlesHow prosecutors evaluate cases and negotiate resolutionsThe realities of high caseloads and courtroom decision-makingWhat people should know before walking into misdemeanor courtIf you want a clearer understanding of how misdemeanor prosecution works in Gwinnett County and beyond, this episode delivers real insight straight from the source. ⏱️ Chapter Markers: 00:00 – Podcast introduction and show overview 00:00:40 – Welcome to Lawyers Without Billboards 00:01:12 – Introducing a new podcast series: elected officials 00:01:46 – Introducing Gwinnett County Solicitor General Lisa Marie Bristol 00:02:10 – Gwinnett County background and scope of the Solicitor’s role 00:03:14 – How Lisa Marie Bristol prefers to be addressed 00:03:21 – Career lineage and Gwinnett Solicitor’s Office history 00:04:18 – When Lisa Marie Bristol took office as Solicitor General 00:04:33 – Her early career and full-circle moment in prosecution 00:07:10 – What the Gwinnett County Solicitor’s Office prosecutes 00:11:05 – Difference between the Solicitor and the District Attorney 00:15:40 – Prosecutorial discretion and charging decisions 00:20:10 – Common misconceptions about misdemeanor cases 00:24:55 – What defendants should understand before court 00:29:20 – Balancing fairness, accountability, and public safety 00:33:45 – Advice for attorneys and defendants navigating misdemeanor court 00:37:10 – Final thoughts and closing remarks 🔔 Subscribe for honest conversations about law, courts, and the legal system without the billboards. 🎙️ Hosts: Steve & Patty Shewmaker, Jimmy & Alexa Lewis Shewmaker & Lewis – Atlanta, GA 🎧 Listen or Watch Watch on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/HEDdKvLpXlw or listen on your favorite podcast platform – Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and more. 📩 Contact: sshewmaker@shewmakerandlewis.com or call (770) 939-1939 🌐 Website: https://www.shewmakerandlewis.com 🎧 Podcast Library: https://shewmakerandlewis.com/lawyers-without-billboards 📺 Subscribe for new episodes and candid conversations about family law, custody, mediation, and conflict resolution. 🎼 Music by Ben Hernandez at Dragonsong Productions  🎥 Produced by: Bleeding Edge, Inc. 🎬 Audio & Video Production: Rob Burgner 📍 Recorded at: Shewmaker & Lewis, Atlanta, GA

    41 min

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Real lawyers, real talk—without the billboards. Lawyers Without Billboards is an unfiltered look at family law, hosted by the partners of Shewmaker & Lewis: Steve and Patty Shewmaker, and Jimmy and Alexa Lewis. With decades of experience in divorce, custody battles, child support, alimony, and criminal law, they break down legal myths, share expert insights, and dive into real cases (sometimes with a side of humor). Expect candid conversations, legal deep dives, and the occasional sidebar on pop culture, legal movies, and life as family law attorneys. Whether you're navigating a family law issue, practicing law yourself, or just enjoy courtroom drama, this podcast offers valuable insights with a dose of levity. New episodes every two weeks Subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcasts!

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