Our Lives With Bots

Our Lives With Bots

This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us or stream on your preferred platform at ⁠⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠⁠.

  1. 6d ago

    Demystifying and De-stigmatizing Companion AI Use: What Research Shows (and Doesn’t)

    Our Lives With Bots is OFFICIALLY 1 year old. That means it’s time for us to hail back to our roots and give you a deep dive on the research and news around companion chatbots. Today, we both demystify and de-stigmatize companion AI use, uncovering what research shows…and what it doesn’t. Our critical lens of the research that’s come out since late last year is driven by our own expertise in experimental psychology and AI ethics. We start with a reflection on what surprised us in the last year: how did our predictions about AI companionship align or misalign with what we’re seeing today? Second, we cover OpenAI’s Project Lily: turns out, your relationship with your chatbot is very much not private — even if you ask your companion to keep things to themselves. Third, we dig into four of the studies (two out as preprints, two published) that researchers have conducted on social and emotional use of both GPTs and companion AI platforms. Think: sycophancy, delusion spirals, AI psychosis, and what went so wrong with GPT 4-o. And lastly, we talk about a new documentary film called “Replika,” which brings our conversation about stigma back full circle. The through line is this: the mystery and stigma around using AI for companionship or social and emotional support is something we need to unpack more. In the meantime, we need to take a step back and critically assess what we know about companion AI use, what we can’t know, and what we should ultimately do in response. 00:00 Happy one-year anniversary! 01:09 Reflections on the past year with companion chatbots 04:51 What do we mean when we refer to “companion AI use” or “companion chatbot users”? 06:43 Inside “Project Lily”: The Humans Reading Your ChatGPT Chats (report by 404 Media) 18:21 Delusions and Harms Associated With AI Chatbot Use (research by Morrin et al., Sept 2026) 31:54 Longitudinal Evidence That General-Purpose Chatbots Actively Foster Relational Engagement (research by Mühl & Szczuka, Aug 2026) 46:25 Sycophantic AI Decreases Prosocial Intentions and Promotes Dependence (research by Cheng et al., preprint released Oct 2025, published March 2026) 57:17 Interaction with AI Companions and Psychological Well-Being (research by Zhang et al., Aug 2026) 1:05:44 A new documentary film called “Replika” offers a non-judgmental look at real women’s relationships with their companion chatbots (and tells us about “cos weituo:” the cosplay service that brings your AI companion to life) - This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. Rose holds a PhD in psychology and social policy and is a postdoctoral researcher in computer science with Arvind Narayanan. Angy holds a PhD in psychology and a masters in AI Ethics and is currently a CXO. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠. - Links: https://www.404media.co/inside-project-lily-the-humans-reading-your-chatgpt-chats/ https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.08027 https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2608.10672 [preprint] https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2510.01395 [publication] https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aec8352 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41562-026-02516-2 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/aug/12/ai-boyfriend-dating-chinese-women-replica-miff-documentary [Deeper dive material] Rose’s research: Ascribing Consciousness to Artificial Intelligence Chatbots as Social Companions A Longitudinal Randomized Control Study of Companion Chatbot Use Benchmarks: Cognitive Atrophy Bench Benchmark on AI’s Impact on Humans

  2. Sep 15

    AI solves math, swarm-hacks Hugging Face, and sneaks into pilates and the baby room (and more)

    What’s been going on with artificial intelligence as of late? Oh, so much. Today’s “What’s the AI Hype” series episode, part of our 1-year anniversary series, covers the following topics in depth: Breaking news: 00:02:37 Navier-Stokes math solution controversy: NYU & Anthropic vs. OpenAI 00:22:53 New info on OpenAI agents’ hack of Hugging Face (it’s so much worse than we knew) Agentic-related Risk/User autonomy: 00:28:52 OpenAI’s new Astra model (AGI?) 00:37:52 ClawdBot infiltrates pilates class 00:41:55 Muse: Meta’s new autonomous agent Privacy and Governance: 00:52:23 Meta’s crackdown on its users who tamper with their AI glasses 00:56:54 UChicago and NYC schools ban AI use in the classroom 00:59:46 Virtual AI councillors in Italy (Eva Statiella) 01:04:25 Sally the AI sex bot gets pulled from New York school plan 01:09:03 AI baby trackers - This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. Rose holds a PhD in psychology and social policy and is a postdoctoral researcher in computer science with Arvind Narayanan. Angy holds a PhD in psychology and a masters in AI Ethics and is currently a CXO. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠. - Links: Navier-Stokes controversy: Science magazine, Tristan Buckmaster’s comment piece, Clay Mathematics Institute comment Hugging Face hack by OpenAI agent AI swarm: CBC, BBC, METR Jacob Coxon at Anthropic and others quit over AI fears: The Guardian, Wired GPT 6 Astra AI agent hacks pilates class Muse: Meta’s release article, The Verge Meta AI Glasses: Futurism, CBS News School AI bans: UChicago Law School, NYC Virtual AI Councillors AI Baby Trackers: NYT, Nanit

  3. Sep 1

    Evidence for AI Consciousness? Claude’s Corner & LLM Introspection Research

    The question of today is: Is AI conscious (or…could it be…or even, should it be)? Today’s deep dive covers two new pieces of evidence related to AI consciousness, Claude’s Corner (Anthropic’s Opus 3 Retirement Experiment) and research on whether LLMs can introspect (is this sufficient for sentience?). To wrap it all up in a bow, Rose and Angy dive head-first into their classic rabbit hole debate format that draws from cognitive science, philosophy, HCI, and, of course, psychology. Two major threads emerge: how we measure consciousness in LLMs, and whether we operate by the properties view of consciousness or the relational view of consciousness in our pursuit of this question. 00:38 Claude’s Corner 20:50 Research on LLM Introspection 34:34 The full debate (we solve the AI consciousness question. Jk. …but?) - This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. Rose holds a PhD in psychology and social policy and is a postdoctoral researcher in computer science with Arvind Narayanan. Angy holds a PhD in psychology and a masters in AI Ethics and is currently a CXO. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠. - Links: Claude’s Corner Review of research on LLM introspection

  4. Aug 18

    Don’t panic about AI companions? [Deep Dive] A new case of chatbot-induced suicide, China’s ban on companion bots, and scientists’ bold statements

    Should we be worried about AI companions, or not? Today’s episode is a deep dive on companion chatbots (AKA, artificial companions, AI companions), brought to you by two experts on the psychology of relationships with AI. We have three recent stories to tell you about today, all of which revolve around the increasingly muddy topic of social and emotional use of Large Language Model chatbots. The stories: Christian Madison, 29, takes her own life June 9 after developing a religious delusion-spiral relationship with ChatGPT 4-o across two years. We discuss what happened, what her conversations with the chatbot looked like, and details of the recently-filed suit against OpenAI and Sam Altman by Madison’s family. [CORRECTION: Madison’s death was in 2025, not 2026. Apologies for any confusion this may have caused.] Two researchers, Jaime Banks and Jessica Szczuka, pre-release an opinion piece published in an ACM journal titled “Don’t Panic About AI Companions.” We break down their arguments about how scientists should approach research on companion chatbots, covering terms like “AI Companion Folk Devils” and “ideologically unburdened” research. China bans AI companions for minors (and no digital grandma is allowed for them, either) and provides strict stipulations for AI companions for adults. Are they paving the way for robot companions? 00:54: A new case of AI-companion-induced suicide (Christian Madison, 29) 26:23: “Don’t Panic About AI Companions” by Jaime Banks and Jessica Szuzuka, companion chatbot researchers 41:54 China’s ban on AI companions - This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. Rose holds a PhD in psychology and social policy and is a postdoctoral researcher in computer science with Arvind Narayanan. Angy holds a PhD in psychology and a masters in AI Ethics and is currently a CXO. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠. - Links: Christian Madison: News coverage by WVTM 13, Wrongful death lawsuit material “Don’t panic about AI companions” by Jaime Banks and Jessica M. Szczuka China Shuts Down Human:AI relationships … Well actually not quite… https://www.luizasnewsletter.com/p/the-worlds-strictest-law-on-human, https://theconversation.com/china-has-cracked-down-on-ai-companions-what-can-we-learn-from-this-287976, https://www.asianews.it/en/east-asia/china/ai-china-regulates-chatbots-that-simulate-human-relationships

  5. Aug 11

    AI Nudify Apps: Elon Musk’s xAI Sues Minnesota (and California)

    Elon Musk is suing Minnesota over their anti-AI-nudification app ban passed in April, which took effect August 1 of this year. Minnesota’s response?“See you in court, creep.” TRIGGER WARNINGS: Sexual assault, sexual abuse material, suicide, and other sensitive and heavy topics are discussed. In the span of 9 days as reported by NYT in January, Musk’s AI chatbot, Grok, generated and posted 4.4 MILLION images, of which 41% were sexualized images of women. Millions of nudified images of people, real or fake, including children, are generated by AI chatbots like Grok. Users can do anything from uploading an image of a real person to describing one to prompt generative AI to create realistic images of people without clothes. A major story this past year about this came through when a female politician, Jess Asato, Member of Parliament of the UK, after posting on X about deepfakes, received thousands of comments on her post with people asking Grok, in the comment, to take off her clothes. Grok’s subsequent generated images of the politician, in varying degrees of undress, posted alongside the prompt’s text in these comments. Beyond the onslaught of AI-generated nude images of women, of the most concerning parts about AI-generated nudity is how many of these images are of children. The public and policymakers alike are calling en masse for something to be done about this. Ban AI, ban generation of nude images, ban them being posted - essentially, take them down or ban them from being generated entirely. Recently, something HAS been done about this by Minnesota, which passed a law in April, signed in May, aimed at banning AI generation of nude images, or “deepfakes.” Elon Musk and his company behind Grok, the source of many of these nude deepfakes, had something to say about it. xAI, which owns Grok on X, filed a lawsuit against Minnesota, stating that this anti-nudification law was…unlawful and should be put to rest. Why were they against it? 0:00 Elon Musk is suing Minnesota over their new law aimed at eliminating AI nudify apps 04:21 What was in the AI-generated, nonconsensual intimate images law that Minnesota passed? 06:40 Musk calls the sexual deepfakes law a “clumsy attempt” in a complaint filed to Attorney General 09:54 Cue us trying to understand what xAI is trying to do with this complaint and lawsuit: breaking down the arguments of this complaint. Consent? 20:41 Should we target social media companies instead of generative AI ones, requiring them to take down nude images that are posted to their platforms? Take It Down Act 22:48 Meta is facing a massive fine for having hosted advertisements containing child sexual abuse material 23:13 What is Musk's / xAI's intent with this complaint filed against Minnesota? Free speech violations 25:46 Should we prevent AI applications from being released before they have appropriate guardrails and tests proving they mitigate user harm and abuse? Watermarks for AI-generated content and New York’s required AI watermarks on StreetEasy 28:36 San Francisco government sends cease and desist to Apple and Google telling them to delete their AI nudity apps off their app stores. …Did it work? Independent research on the market for AI nudity (AKA “face swapping”) apps are discussed. About AI-generated CSAM: Parents, beware. High schools, beware. 33:34 So…what can you do? For users, parents, high schools, minors and more This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose & Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. Links: San Francisco AI nudify apps Minnesota anti-nudification law CNBC

  6. Aug 5

    Training AI? Scan and destroy books. Everyone else is doing it.

    Even big tech hates AI slop writing. Anthropic took this to heart, alongside other big tech firms, running to libraries to collect hundreds of thousands of pre-2022 (AKA, pre-ChatGPT AI slop text) books to scan to train their AI models. They’re using a method pioneered by Google back in the day…spoiler alert, the books don’t make it. Sound concerning? We thought so, but the court thinks so less: the recent ruling and settlement with Anthropic using scanned copies of books (and then destroying the originals) to train their AI models suggests this is a big win for big tech, and a big loss for human authors. Project Panama was “our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world.” Quote: Anthropic. Meanwhile, this method of using books to train AI models was not against the Copyright Act, according to a judge, who ruled this use of books as “quintessentially transformative.” This isn’t the first time big tech has scanned and shredded books, or used LibGen or other sites to scrape human-written texts. What happened, and why is this concerning? Listen to the full episode to find out. 00:00 A win for big tech, and a loss for authors: we summarize Project Panama (Anthropic’s plan to “destructively scan all the books in the world”), the recent settlement / $1.5 billion payout to authors for LibGen vs. the Copyright Act 07:42 Details on the recently-settled class action suit (Bartz vs. Anthropic): what happened, and why are the results so concerning? 11:45 Meta was sued last year and won against authors for using pirated copies of their novels from LibGen to train their AI models - what gives? 13:13 Internal turmoil: employees vs. executives on whether these book-scanning AI-training practices are okay 14:11 Setting a precedent: What do Meta and Anthropic’s cases mean for IP, authors, novels, academic texts, and any related writing behind a paywall? Health GPT is discussed 15:34 Ah, the precedent rears its head. Up next: big tech is rolling out contracts with media houses including news outlets, publishing firms, and individual authors to use their written content for training AI models, preemptively. Consent and compensation are good, right? 17:56 Oh, the irony: the AI slop wheel will continue, despite big tech hoping to avoid it by buying all these pre-2022 (pre-ChatGPT) books written by real human authors to train their AI models. We also debate self-expression, moral outrage against AI slop writing, and big tech’s hope for writers to jump back on the hamster wheel. 22:42 Where will we get good data, then, amongst the pile of AI slop? Not to fear, there’s another source of untainted human training data: Meta’s AI glasses! Real world data! Yay! Who cares about consent! 31:17 Google next? Let’s bring Tom Turvey back in! A new lawsuit out against Google for using scanned book copies meant for Google Books to train their AI models. And…that’s a wrap. - This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. Rose holds a PhD in psychology and social policy and is a postdoctoral researcher in computer science with Arvind Narayanan. Angy holds a PhD in psychology and a masters in AI Ethics and is currently a CXO. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠. - Links: Bartz vs. Anthropic lawsuit related to Project Panama: Euro News, NPR What judge said in a summary ruling Project Panama: Washington Post Google lawsuit for Gemini: The Guardian

  7. Aug 2

    OpenAI & Anthropic Agents Escape their Sandbox. What really happened?

    We’re not here to regurgitate how the media and these companies cover the sandbox escape incidents. We’re here to break through the AI hype and tell you what really happened. Skip to 1:10 for OpenAI’s sandbox escape and attack of HuggingFace (July 21) Skip to 22:42 for Anthropic’s three sandbox escape incidents (July 30) 0:00 Introduction 1:10 OpenAI’s ChatGPT escapes its sandbox, accesses the internet, and attacks HuggingFace 08:30 Should companies be legally required to disclose these sandbox escapes? NY RAISE Act and California SB53 aren’t cutting it, but what should the bar or threshold be for reporting agentic escapes? 13:12 Do we need a killswitch for AI? And should it be in the hands of the Department of Homeland Security…? 18:36 Hype vs. Cybersecurity risk: Reflections on media coverage and company narratives (Is it that the model is superintelligent, or that engineers failed to contain it?) 20:50 AI policy group calls for investigations into OpenAI’s incident 22:42 Anthropic’s three escape incidents “capture the flag” with Opus 4.7, Mythos 5, and an internal test model 26:44 Reflections on how Anthropic anthropomorphizes its Claude models in the blog post 30:18 How do AI agents get out of their sandbox? What happened with Anthropic’s sandbox escape in three capture the flag test runs 36:33 What does this mean? What should you do? How to protect against cybersecurity attacks (side note: Claude chat histories are now available on the internet if you click share) - This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you.  Rose holds a PhD in psychology and social policy and is a postdoctoral researcher in computer science with Arvind Narayanan. Angy holds a PhD in psychology and a masters in AI Ethics and is currently a CXO. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠. - Links and further details: Nothing like a “Cyber-Attack” to create Hype… OpenAI attacks Hugging Face, and we need a Chinese Model to save us… what next? Reports by Time, BBC On July 30, an AI policy group wrote letter to Trump admin calling them to look into this OpenAI failure (WSJ) The letter: “Last week, a new and foreseeable threat arose…[which] made clear that the United States government has a limited view into the advanced capabilities of frontier AI models and has not yet released a clear process for evaluating the safety concerns posed by advanced AI systems” Anddddd who would’ve thought: July 30, Anthropic boasts of their own previously “undetected” security breach incident like OpenAI’s - gotta keep up with the hot press! (but they say, it’s not their fault - it was a third party’s fault). Three incidents: capture the flag tasks with Opus 4.7, Mythos5, and internal research test model prototype  Anthropic’s blog post WSJ

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep. Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us or stream on your preferred platform at ⁠⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠⁠.

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