Queer Therapists Talk Wayward

Em Marinelli

Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin. They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"  Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.  ABOUT AVERY AND EM  Avery Phipps (they/them) is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist serving a diverse group of clients in the San Francisco Bay. Avery graduated from The California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) Bachelor of Arts and Integral Counseling Psychology (M.A.) programs. Both programs placed an emphasis on cultural humility, holistic healing and the responsibility we have to each other as citizens of this globe. They teach full time and act as co-chair currently in the Integral Counseling Psychology program at CIIS. Avery’s training as a psychotherapist began at The Integral Counseling Center in San Francisco, a low fee clinic where they served socially and psychologically diverse individuals, couples, and families. They have since built a private practice which serves adults, teens, and families. Their work is founded in relational psychodynamics, informed by strong social justice, feminist values, and often incorporates Astrology and other symbolic ways of knowing. They are also a huge media nerd and Trekkie for life.  Emily (Em) Marinelli (they/them) is a genderqueer, queer femme, Virgo psychotherapist, professor and author. Em teaches at the California Institute of Integral Studies and City College of San Francisco. In their private therapy practice, Em offers warm and supportive guidance to individuals and couples, using a humanistic, trauma-informed, feminist, social justice, and strengths-based approach. Their essays have appeared in Alan Squire Publishing Literary Journal, The Blue Rose magazine, Film Obsessive, and TV Obsessive and they were accepted into the 2025 Summer Tin House Workshop. They host the Twin Peaks Tattoo Podcast, where they chat with fans about their Twin Peaks tattoos and what their ink means to them. Em's debut memoir, Comfort Sequels: The Psychology of Movie Sequels from the 80s and 90s won First Place in the Entertainment and LGBTQ+ categories at the 2024 Bookfest Awards and the International Impact Book Award in LGBTQ+ Nonfiction. Em is proud to be a member of the Marble Valley Dance Collective where they tap dance with amazing artists, and they love cuddling with their rescue pups Radish and Rusty. Follow Em online @emsmarinelli Theme music performed by Jeremy Rourke; recorded and produced by Dr Animal Prufrock Cover Design by Morgan Kerchner

Episodes

  1. MAR 23

    Queer Therapists Talk Wayward

    Bonus Episode - Twin Peaks and Wayward   Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin. They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"  Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.  Patrick Fagan is a Marriage and Family Therapist Associate who works with  queer couples (and folks in all sorts of other relationship structures) and queer adults seeking support in areas like non-monogamy, intimacy, kink, sex and dating, communication, neurodiversity, substance use, trauma, anxiety, and burnout. Patrick joins them for a very special bonus episode to discuss the many parallels between Twin Peaks and Wayward. Patrick Fagan (he/him), AMFT, is a psychotherapist who works primarily with queer couples (and folks in all sorts of other relationship structures) and queer adults seeking support in areas like non-monogamy, intimacy, kink, sex and dating, communication, neurodiversity, substance use, trauma, anxiety, and burnout. Before becoming a therapist, Patrick, who received a Bachelor of Arts degree in graphic design from American University, spent decades in creative leadership roles in media and tech. He supports many clients who are artists, athletes, writers, musicians, filmmakers, and performers, and he has firsthand knowledge of the challenges that come with working in high pressure environments. Patrick received his Master of Arts degree in integral counseling psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in San Francisco, where he had the pleasure of learning from Em and Avery. He now teaches a course in psychodynamics as adjunct faculty at CIIS. Patrick is Staten Island transplant based in the Castro in San Francisco. You can learn more and reach out to him at pfagantherapy.com.

    44 min
  2. MAR 8

    Queer Therapists Talk Wayward

    Episode 5 -"Build”  Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin. They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"  Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.  Meg McDaniel is a Marriage and Family Therapist Associate who works with children, teens, young adults, and older adults. Meg joins them to discuss Episode 5 “Build.” Meg McDaniel (MEEd, MCP; she/they/siya) is a multicultural, neurospicy, 2nd generation Euro-Filipino American associate therapist who works with children, teens, young adults, and older adults (who are all just big kids too right?) She specializes in working with individuals in family systems that include divorce, remarriage, blending families, newly-diagnosed neurodiversity, and adoption. She has facilitated and led small and large groups as an elementary and middle school teacher, international school principal, and nonprofit executive over the past 15 years. Most recently, she is teaching Group Dynamics and Integrative Seminar at the graduate level at CIIS. In her free time, she is likely surfing, foraging for mussels at low tide, or laying in the sunshine with her dog, Wilson. She may also be working on a new and exciting hobby that she will surely enjoy and eventually abandon in six weeks’ time. She is a professional photographer and graphic designer who loves supporting early-career therapists establish their "brand."  https://www.megmcdaniel.com/about https://www.seamevisuals.com/ Also in this ep-Em can't stop talking about the app "Does The Dog Die?" which they think everyone should download for free.https://www.doesthedogdie.com/ #waywardnetflix, #maemartin, #queertherapiststalkwayward

    1h 35m

Ratings & Reviews

5
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7 Ratings

About

Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin. They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"  Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.  ABOUT AVERY AND EM  Avery Phipps (they/them) is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist serving a diverse group of clients in the San Francisco Bay. Avery graduated from The California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) Bachelor of Arts and Integral Counseling Psychology (M.A.) programs. Both programs placed an emphasis on cultural humility, holistic healing and the responsibility we have to each other as citizens of this globe. They teach full time and act as co-chair currently in the Integral Counseling Psychology program at CIIS. Avery’s training as a psychotherapist began at The Integral Counseling Center in San Francisco, a low fee clinic where they served socially and psychologically diverse individuals, couples, and families. They have since built a private practice which serves adults, teens, and families. Their work is founded in relational psychodynamics, informed by strong social justice, feminist values, and often incorporates Astrology and other symbolic ways of knowing. They are also a huge media nerd and Trekkie for life.  Emily (Em) Marinelli (they/them) is a genderqueer, queer femme, Virgo psychotherapist, professor and author. Em teaches at the California Institute of Integral Studies and City College of San Francisco. In their private therapy practice, Em offers warm and supportive guidance to individuals and couples, using a humanistic, trauma-informed, feminist, social justice, and strengths-based approach. Their essays have appeared in Alan Squire Publishing Literary Journal, The Blue Rose magazine, Film Obsessive, and TV Obsessive and they were accepted into the 2025 Summer Tin House Workshop. They host the Twin Peaks Tattoo Podcast, where they chat with fans about their Twin Peaks tattoos and what their ink means to them. Em's debut memoir, Comfort Sequels: The Psychology of Movie Sequels from the 80s and 90s won First Place in the Entertainment and LGBTQ+ categories at the 2024 Bookfest Awards and the International Impact Book Award in LGBTQ+ Nonfiction. Em is proud to be a member of the Marble Valley Dance Collective where they tap dance with amazing artists, and they love cuddling with their rescue pups Radish and Rusty. Follow Em online @emsmarinelli Theme music performed by Jeremy Rourke; recorded and produced by Dr Animal Prufrock Cover Design by Morgan Kerchner

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