HEATED

Emily Atkin

A podcast for people who are pissed off about the climate crisis. heated.world

  1. 2d ago

    Why aren’t Democrats talking about climate?

    The midterm elections are less than a week away, and there’s a lot riding on the results, including how much more damage Donald Trump can do to the climate. But for how important this election will be for Planet Earth and the humans who live on it, the issue itself isn’t getting much airtime. Earlier this month, The Guardian examined the campaign websites of Democratic and Republican Senate candidates in eight battleground states. Of all the candidates surveyed, only two explicitly mentioned climate change. This retreat hasn’t happened by accident. Over the last two years, some of the Democratic Party’s most influential strategists, donors, and think tanks have been explicitly telling candidates to shut up about climate change and focus on the economy instead—as if those were two separate issues. It’s a strategy known as climate hushing. And with the midterms fast-approaching, it’s worth asking: Who convinced Democrats that ignoring climate change was a winning strategy? Does the evidence actually support that argument? And what is that silence costing the rest of us? These are the questions I explored in the today’s episode of the HEATED podcast, alongside my producer Tracy Wholf and Aaron Regunberg, who directs the Climate Accountability Project at Public Citizen (but was speaking in his personal capacity). We also took a closer look at some of the country’s most consequential Senate races to see who’s avoiding climate change, who’s still talking about it, and what those differences reveal. You can listen to our full conversation above, find HEATED on your favorite podcast app, watch on YouTube, or read an edited and condensed transcript of our conversation below. HEATED is a 100 percent reader- and listener-funded publication. We don’t take ads, sponsorships, or put our journalism behind paywalls. The reporting, editing, and production that go into these episodes are possible because of generous readers and listeners. If you appreciate truly independent climate journalism and have the means, please consider becoming a paid subscriber. Your support keeps this work free for everyone. Should Democrats stop talking about climate change? TRACY WHOLF: Emily, we’ve seen some extraordinary climate extremes this year, from deadly heat waves around the globe to devastating floods. And yet climate change seems to be getting very little attention in this election. Why? EMILY ATKIN: I think there are several reasons, but one of the biggest is that Democrats have been explicitly told by some of their most influential funders, advisers, and think tanks to keep quiet about it. TRACY: That’s crazy to me, because climate is an issue where Democrats have a pretty clear advantage over Republicans. So who’s saying this and why?EMILY: To understand that, I spoke with Aaron Regunberg, who earlier this year wrote an excellent article for Boston Review called “Why Climate Politics Can’t Wait,”examining the growing push for climate hushing. He said you really have to go back to the aftermath of Kamala Harris’s loss in 2024. AARON REGUNBERG: We just started hearing a lot of people saying that we’re losing because Democrats are talking too much about climate change. There was this big narrative struggle happening within the Democratic Party apparatus in that moment to explain what happened and who’s to blame. I do think the climate hushing angle was a very convenient scapegoat for a lot of people who didn’t want to talk about maybe some of the other reasons that we lost. TRACY: So who were the groups pushing that argument? EMILY: One was Third Way, a powerful centrist Washington think tank that’s been advising Democrats for decades. Even before Harris lost, Third Way was arguing that Democrats should focus less on climate and more on people’s bills. Another was Welcome PAC, which supports moderate Democrats. After the election, it released a report arguing that Democrats needed to focus less on progressive issues like climate change and more on the economy, crime, and immigration. And both organizations are awash in wealthy, corporate backers. Third Way has received support from major corporate interests, including the Business Roundtable. Welcome PAC’s donors have included LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman, members of the Walton family, and major Wall Street investors. But perhaps the most influential argument came from the Searchlight Institute, a Democratic think tank that launched in 2025 with a reported $10 million annual budget backed by billionaires. One of its first major publications was a September 2025 memo titled The First Rule About Solving Climate Change: Don’t Say Climate Change. TRACY: That’s pretty explicit. So what was the argument? Does climate change actually swing votes? EMILY: The biggest argument, and the one you hear repeated across these reports, is that climate change doesn’t swing votes. Searchlight’s memo found that 61 percent of battleground swing voters considered climate change at least a very serious problem. But only 6 percent named it as their top issue, and only 22 percent ranked it among their top three priorities. So the recommendation was that Democrats should focus on what swing voters say matters most to them: affordability, jobs, and health care. TRACY: But just because climate change isn’t someone’s number-one priority doesn’t mean it won’t influence their vote. I’m not a single-issue voter. I don’t think most people are. EMILY: Exactly. Just because someone ranks health care first and climate change fourth doesn’t mean their candidate’s position on climate is irrelevant. And Aaron pointed out something really interesting about Searchlight’s research: Its own polling seems to contradict its conclusions. AARON: That actual data found that 76 percent of these battleground swing-state voters think that the Democratic Party is either somewhat or completely in step with them on issues related to climate change, compared to only 16 percent who say Democrats are out of step. And then when you look at the folks who say it is out of step, and you ask why, the number-one reason that voters give is they say that Democrats are not fighting hard enough or need to do more on climate change. EMILY: So basically, most of these swing voters disagree with Republicans about climate change. And among those who don’t align with Democrats, the biggest complaint is that Democrats aren’t doing enough. That seems like an enormous missed opportunity to distinguish themselves from Republicans. TRACY: And there’s other evidence supporting that. In its 2026 battleground-state polling, the Environmental Voter Project found that 59 percent of likely midterm voters wanted politicians to spend more time talking about climate change and pollution, while only 17 percent wanted less. Which raises the question: If so many people want to hear more about climate change, why are political strategists so convinced it shouldn’t be discussed? The strange idea that climate change and affordability are separate issues EMILY: Well, another argument in Searchlight’s memo is that climate change feels distant from voters’ everyday lives. According to its polling, only 17 percent of battleground swing voters believed climate change was affecting their families a great deal right now. So the argument is that talking about climate can seem out of touch when voters have more immediate concerns. TRACY: I understand that people are concerned about rising energy prices, groceries, housing, and health care. I feel those pressures too. But I also understand that all these things are connected to climate change. A study published by MIT researchers in February found that climate change is already costing American households an estimated $400 to $900 annually on average, through a range of impacts including insurance costs, extreme-weather damage, and higher utility bills. EMILY: Right. And I don’t think those connections are necessarily obvious to everyone. But that’s what campaigning … This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe

  2. Oct 22

    Why smart people believe the myth that natural gas is clean

    Back in July, Data for Progress published a national poll with a shocking result: 50 percent of likely voters believe natural gas is a form of clean energy. That’s bonkers. Natural gas is not a form of clean energy. It is a high-polluting fossil fuel made almost entirely of methane, and its climate and public health impacts have been well-documented by scientific literature over many decades. So why do so many people believe otherwise? Turns out, it’s not because people are stupid. It’s because we’ve all been subject to a decades-long industry influence campaign targeted at politicians and the public, designed to convince us that methane gas is “natural” fuel that’s good for our bodies and the environment. And here’s the kicker: The people behind this decades-long “gas is clean” campaign have pretty much always known that gas wasn’t actually clean. That’s according to a recent investigation published by the Center for Climate Integrity, which uncovered decades of internal industry documents showing how fossil fuel companies promoted gas as a clean alternative to other fuels, even as their own internal research revealed its significant pollution and climate risks. The gas industry is still using this misleading marketing today. But now, they’re also using it to try to change policy across the country. Four states—Ohio, Indiana, Tennessee, and Louisiana—have already passed laws officially classifying natural gas as “clean” or “green” energy. And on November 3, Colorado voters will decide on a ballot measure that would create a new constitutional right: the right to buy and sell natural gas. The practical effect of this initiative would be to override climate and environmental policies that limit the use of this high-polluting fuel. To justify its passage, the initiative’s sponsors (a billionaire-backed dark money group) are claiming that methane gas is a form of clean energy. Given all that, I thought it was a good time to take a deep dive into the industry’s claim. What makes this idea—that “natural gas is clean”—so convincing? Is there any truth to it at all? What important context is getting left out? And how has the industry’s PR campaign shaped what so many of us believe? To answer those questions, I spoke with climate journalist Rebecca Leber, who co-authored the Center for Climate Integrity’s investigation. Together, we unpack what the “clean gas” claim actually gets right, the whole buttload of context it leaves out, and how the industry has worked to shape public understanding of the fuel for decades. My hope is that this conversation can serve as a resource to return to—and share—the next time you hear the claim. Because I promise this won’t be the last time. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe

  3. Sep 24

    The myth of “forest management”

    For season one of the HEATED podcast, Tracy and I threw a lot of ideas and formats at the wall. Over 20 episodes in five months, we covered everything from fracking waste to fossil fuel ads to fashion greenwashing to attacks on weather science. We were figuring it all out as we went. But in the end, one episode outperformed all the others: our myth-busting episode about electric vehicles. As of today, it’s gotten more than 90,000 downloads, whereas the rest of our free episodes averaged about 6,400 downloads. Pretty crazy, right? Fortunately, we really liked doing that episode! So for season two, Tracy and I decided to just do a lot more of that—and way less of everything else. Instead of 20 episodes about anything we can think of, we’ll be doing just 6 episodes, audio-only, each taking on a bad climate idea that’s becoming harder to escape. First up: the idea that “forest management” can solve the wildfire crisis. We hear this one all the time, particularly from Republican politicians amid devastating fires. I’ll be honest: I thought this one would be pretty straightforward. I’ve talked to enough scientists over the years to know that, while taking better care of forests can help reduce wildfire risk, it can’t solve the problem by itself. We also have to tackle climate change—and the reason Republican politicians never mention that is because they’re self-muzzled by fossil fuel industry money. I figured I’d explain that and be done.But then I started talking to a scientist who challenged the first part of that assumption; the idea that forest management is even part of the solution to wildfires. He argued that most of the work politicians call “forest management” is just industrial logging, and that this practice is not just ineffective, but actively making wildfires worse. I’d never really heard that argument before. And the more I tried to figure out whether he and scientists like him were right, the deeper I got into a fierce scientific debate I hadn’t even known existed. Fortunately, as I was deep in this rabbit hole thinking I’d never get out, I got a call from Miranda Green, the host of the Los Angeles Times’ Boiling Point podcast, asking if I might like to collaborate on an episode. I told her about the predicament I was in, and a reporting partnership was born. For the first episode of season two, Miranda and I dive into a debate you almost never hear in the political conversation about wildfires. We don’t come close to settling it, or even covering every part of it. But we do learn that the myth of “forest management” is bigger than I thought: It’s the idea that this vague phrase describes one reliable fix for every forest—and that any amount of work in the woods can make up for a warming climate. I’m sure this episode will ruffle some feathers. Listen to it above, or on your favorite podcast app by searching “HEATED.” The HEATED podcast only exists because of individual listeners who choose to support it—we don’t run ads or accept sponsorships. If you have the means, becoming a paid subscriber ensures we can continue this work. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe

  4. Jul 2

    A powerful argument against the certainty of doom

    This July 4 weekend has the potential to be soul-crushing. On the East Coast, a brutal heat wave is reminding everyone that the climate crisis is not some future abstraction, but an extremely scary present-tense physical condition. In Europe, extreme heat has resulted in more than 1,300 deaths. Across the U.S., dozens of large wildfires are burning, drought is still gripping much of the Lower 48, and the powers that be are doing everything they can to ensure this is not only the hottest summer on record, but the coldest summer for the rest of our lives. So if your temptation is to give in to doomerism right now, I totally get it. But if you looking for a reason not to—and if you have some free time to dive into fiction over the holiday weekend—I recommend picking up Retro, a novel out last week by author Jessica M. Goldstein. The book’s main character, Ash, is a struggling actress dealing with similar feelings of despair and hopelessness about the future. And then she gets a job at Retro, a travel agency dedicated to taking wealthy tourists on highly-curated trips to the past. And slowly, her perspective begins to shift—but not perhaps for the reasons you’d expect. What I loved about Retro is that it doesn’t answer that feeling with some cheesy conversion to optimism. It offers something I find far more realistic and useful: the idea that you can be cynical, but you don’t have to be an a*****e. You can know the future is uncertain, and still refuse to abandon it. You can be furious, scared, and nostalgic for what we’ve already lost—and still say, basically: screw it. I’m going to try anyway. Bias alert: Jess is also one of my best friends. I don’t really know how to talk about fiction books as a critic, but I do know how to dish with my girl about climate dread, nostalgia, evil tech billionaires, and the romance and power of platonic friendship. That’s what today’s podcast conversation is: a tonic for anyone who wants to be hopeful about the future but is struggling to do it. We talk about why Retro wouldn’t exist without Jess’s own feelings about climate change, why doomerism can feel so seductive, and why the unknowability of the future is not a reason to give up on it—but the very reason not to. You can find our full conversation at the top of this newsletter, on any of your podcast apps, or on YouTube. Just a heads up, we start diving into spoilers about halfway through the conversation, but we give a pretty explicit warning beforehand. You can buy Retro here (or, for U.K. readers, here), or pick it up at your local public library. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit heated.world/subscribe

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