Dogs Beyond the Lab

John Ramer, Chelsey Marino, Lori, Cohen

Dogs Beyond the Lab is a deeply human podcast about rescue, rehabilitation, trust, and the life-changing bond between people and dogs. While the series begins with former research dogs — many of them beagles who spent their early lives inside laboratory facilities — the heart of the show reaches far beyond animal research. This is a podcast about what happens when vulnerable dogs are given a second chance, and the people who choose to walk beside them through fear, uncertainty, healing, and transformation. Across North America, thousands of dogs are still used in laboratory research. A small number eventually leave those facilities and enter a world they have never experienced before: grass beneath their feet, open skies, neighborhood walks, toys, couches, stairs, car rides, affection, and freedom. For many of these dogs, even the most ordinary parts of daily life can feel overwhelming and unfamiliar. Dogs Beyond the Lab explores those first moments of transition and the long emotional journey that follows. Hosted through the voices and experiences of rescuers, behavior specialists, sanctuary leaders, adopters, veterinarians, and advocates, the podcast tells stories of resilience from both ends of the leash. Listeners will hear firsthand accounts of dogs learning how to trust, play, communicate, and simply exist outside the controlled environment of a lab. At the same time, the series reveals the emotional realities faced by the humans who welcome these dogs into their homes and hearts. The podcast features the expertise and lived experience of leaders in the field, including John Ramer of Kindness Ranch, Lori Cohen of The Beagle Alliance, and Chelsey Marino of Command Canine, whose rehabilitation work has helped former research dogs adapt to life beyond the laboratory. Together, they provide insight into rescue efforts, advocacy work, behavioral rehabilitation, and the evolving conversation around animal testing and rehoming. But this is not a podcast solely for people connected to former research dogs. Anyone who has loved a dog through illness, trauma, fear, aging, anxiety, or the everyday messiness of life together will find themselves in these stories. Dogs Beyond the Lab understands that living with dogs is rarely perfect. It is patient work. Emotional work. Relationship work. The show embraces the idea that being a good guardian is not about always having the right answers, but about continuing to show up with compassion, consistency, and care. At its core, Dogs Beyond the Lab is about connection. It is about the quiet ways dogs change us, soften us, ground us, and teach us to notice more. It is a series about second chances, healing, advocacy, and hope — and about the realization that sometimes the dog we set out to save becomes the one who ultimately saves us.

  1. 5d ago

    After Ridglan: What Beagle Rescue Teaches Us About Advocacy

    Getting dogs out is only the beginning. What happens next—and are we giving them what they actually need? Veterinarian and animal advocate Dr. Crystal Heath joins John Ramer, Lori Cohen, and Chelsey Marino for a candid conversation about the Ridglan beagles, the divisions within animal advocacy, and the responsibility that comes with rescue. Drawing on her experience examining dogs released from Ridglan, Dr. Heath describes animals so shut down they barely responded to human contact. Chelsey shares what she’s seeing as dogs adjust to life in homes, and together they explore why decompression, predictability, and experienced support matter—even when our instinct is to shower a newly rescued dog with affection. The conversation also confronts difficult questions about protest tactics, competing accounts of what secured the dogs’ release, and whether a movement can hold its own leaders accountable. Dr. Heath challenges the idea that working with people inside research facilities means compromising your commitment to animals, and shares her vision for more humane veterinary training and the next generation of advocates. An honest, sometimes uncomfortable discussion about looking beyond the headlines and keeping the dogs’ long-term wellbeing at the heart of the work. Dr. Heath is on Instagram and worth a follow See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    After Ridglan: What Beagle Rescue Teaches Us About Advocacy
  2. Sep 15

    Joe Bailey's Lessons from Presley

    Joe Bailey didn't plan on becoming an advocate for former research dogs — he just wanted a beagle. On this episode of Dogs Beyond The Lab, hosts Chelsey Marino (Keeper and Kin), Lori Cohen (The Beagle Alliance), and John Ramer (Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary) hear how a two-week notice from the Beagle Freedom Project brought Presley, a six-and-a-half-year-old beagle straight off an Oklahoma breeding farm, into Joe's Los Angeles home. Joe taught him stairs, leashes and how to eat slowly, and learned his triggers — metal on metal, the need to back up against something to relieve himself. Presley was diagnosed with B-cell lymphoma in March 2024 and died that November, after twenty weeks of treatment at Penn Vet and Mount Laurel Animal Hospital. Joe calls him "the boy who brought me home." Then came Carol — possibly Presley's biological relative, and a year into freedom before adoption. Confident where Presley was timid, vocal where he was silent, she's what Joe calls his redemption arc. Did you know that there is an instagram page starring Presley? The hosts of the show are: John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    Joe Bailey's Lessons from Presley
  3. Sep 1

    Raising Kane: the Anxiety the Milestones, and the Love…

    John Ramer, Chelsey Marino, and Lori Cohen talk with Alice and Dima about Kane, a senior lemon beagle rescued from Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary. Alice grew up with beagles and had always wanted to adopt a former research dog, while Dima had never lived with a pet before Kane came along. After meeting through a senior adoption promotion, Kane joined their family — and quickly made it clear that he had a lot to learn. From peeing on the desk during his adoption meeting to experiencing the world like a puppy, Kane's journey into home life has been full of unexpected challenges, breakthroughs, and plenty of laughs. Alice and Dima share an honest look at adopting a former research beagle, including potty training, anxiety, socialization, trauma recovery, and the small milestones that can mean everything. Over time, Kane's personality began to emerge, revealing a quirky, affectionate dog with his own routines and a growing sense of confidence. Things We Talked About: What to expect when adopting a former research dogThe challenges of potty training and socializing a senior research beagleHow to help an anxious rescue beagle adjust to home lifeUnderstanding trauma and nervous-system recovery in rescued research animalsThe small breakthroughs that mark progressCommon beagle myths — and what life with Kane has taught Alice and DimaWhy they’re considering adopting a second former research beagle If you're researching how to adopt a former research beagle, wondering what to expect when adopting a research dog, or looking for ways to help an anxious rescue beagle settle into home life, Kane's story offers a heartfelt, practical, and often funny look at the journey. The hosts of the show are: John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    Raising Kane: the Anxiety the Milestones, and the Love…
  4. Aug 18

    Badger, Gabe, and Kai: How Three Beagles Rewrote One Family’s Life

    Rob Wadd joins Dogs Beyond the Lab to share the profound journey of Gabe, a former research beagle whose life was transformed by love, patience, and community. Rob recounts how he and his wife Sharon moved from life with Badger—their confident, well-adjusted beagle—to adopting Gabe, a deeply traumatized ex-lab dog terrified of ordinary things like doorways, wind, darkness, and TV. With Badger as a mentor and Sharon as his anchor, Gabe slowly learned safety, routine, and trust, from four-hour backyard sit-ins to finally mastering the dog door and cuddling on the couch—after years of keeping his distance from Rob. When Badger passed, Kindness Ranch connected them with Kai, the tiger-striped beagle they’d originally hoped to adopt, completing a poignant full-circle story. Rob reflects on what it really takes to adopt a former research dog, when he’d advise someone not to, and how Gabe’s resilience has humbled and changed him, turning him into a thoughtful advocate for both dogs and the humans who care for them. The hosts of the show are: John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    Badger, Gabe, and Kai: How Three Beagles Rewrote One Family’s Life
  5. Aug 4

    Melanie Kaplan: Lab Beagles, Legislation, and Love

    Hosts John Ramer, Lori Cohen, and Chelsey Marino call up their good friend, journalist and author Melanie Kaplan to discuss her book Lab Dog, which chronicles her journey with Hammy, a former research beagle. Kaplan explains how adopting Hammy led her to investigate the vast and largely hidden industry of breeding dogs for laboratory research—a scale that stunned her as she uncovered industrial facilities housing tens of thousands of animals. The conversation moves from Hammy's behavior and the emotional challenges of adopting a lab beagle to the systemic issues within animal research, including inconsistent enforcement of welfare laws and the slow adoption of non-animal testing methods. They discuss: - The industrial scale of beagle breeding facilities and how three major operations dwindled to one during Kaplan's reporting - Balancing the heartbreak of animal research with readability and emotional engagement in the book - Why legislation and enforcement are the most effective pathways to change in the research industry - How non-animal methods are advancing rapidly but face barriers to widespread adoption - The personal experience of losing Hammy and continuing to share his story through book tours and public speaking This episode explores the intersection of personal grief, investigative journalism, and advocacy—offering insight for anyone seeking to understand the realities of animal research and the dogs who emerge from it. Links to Melanie: LinkedIn Melanie's Website The hosts of the show are: John Ramer is the Executive Director of Kindness Ranch Lori Cohen is the Founder and Executive Director of The Beagle Alliance Chelsey Marino is the founder of Keeper and Kin. The Leading Experts in Former Research Beagle Rehabilitation See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    Melanie Kaplan: Lab Beagles, Legislation, and Love

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Dogs Beyond the Lab is a deeply human podcast about rescue, rehabilitation, trust, and the life-changing bond between people and dogs. While the series begins with former research dogs — many of them beagles who spent their early lives inside laboratory facilities — the heart of the show reaches far beyond animal research. This is a podcast about what happens when vulnerable dogs are given a second chance, and the people who choose to walk beside them through fear, uncertainty, healing, and transformation. Across North America, thousands of dogs are still used in laboratory research. A small number eventually leave those facilities and enter a world they have never experienced before: grass beneath their feet, open skies, neighborhood walks, toys, couches, stairs, car rides, affection, and freedom. For many of these dogs, even the most ordinary parts of daily life can feel overwhelming and unfamiliar. Dogs Beyond the Lab explores those first moments of transition and the long emotional journey that follows. Hosted through the voices and experiences of rescuers, behavior specialists, sanctuary leaders, adopters, veterinarians, and advocates, the podcast tells stories of resilience from both ends of the leash. Listeners will hear firsthand accounts of dogs learning how to trust, play, communicate, and simply exist outside the controlled environment of a lab. At the same time, the series reveals the emotional realities faced by the humans who welcome these dogs into their homes and hearts. The podcast features the expertise and lived experience of leaders in the field, including John Ramer of Kindness Ranch, Lori Cohen of The Beagle Alliance, and Chelsey Marino of Command Canine, whose rehabilitation work has helped former research dogs adapt to life beyond the laboratory. Together, they provide insight into rescue efforts, advocacy work, behavioral rehabilitation, and the evolving conversation around animal testing and rehoming. But this is not a podcast solely for people connected to former research dogs. Anyone who has loved a dog through illness, trauma, fear, aging, anxiety, or the everyday messiness of life together will find themselves in these stories. Dogs Beyond the Lab understands that living with dogs is rarely perfect. It is patient work. Emotional work. Relationship work. The show embraces the idea that being a good guardian is not about always having the right answers, but about continuing to show up with compassion, consistency, and care. At its core, Dogs Beyond the Lab is about connection. It is about the quiet ways dogs change us, soften us, ground us, and teach us to notice more. It is a series about second chances, healing, advocacy, and hope — and about the realization that sometimes the dog we set out to save becomes the one who ultimately saves us.

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