This Old Marketing - News Podcast Weekly with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose

Joe Pulizzi & Robert Rose
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Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.

  1. 2D AGO

    When Platforms Panic, Ads Follow

    This week, Joe opens the show with a quick take on the banning of "AI Fruit Love Island" and can't believe Robert isn't already a loyal subscriber. Joe and Robert then dig into a landmark legal verdict against social media platforms, focusing on Meta's Instagram and Google's YouTube. The big shift? Instead of the usual failed arguments around Section 230, these new cases are targeting platform design itself, claiming the products were intentionally built to be addictive. Joe and Robert discuss whether this could become a true "big tobacco" moment for social media, with larger legal and financial consequences ahead. Next up, OpenAI shuts down Sora after the Disney deal. Is this a warning sign for OpenAI's long-term strategy, or just a simple business decision to cut a product that wasn't generating revenue and was draining resources? Joe and Robert break it down. Plus, OpenAI hires a new ad chief (which is always a good sign, right?). Finally, TikTok rolls out new video advertising programs at NewFronts, and Joe and Robert see it as more evidence of a race to the bottom in digital media. Marketing Losers of the Week Robert looks at the Publicis versus The Trade Desk battle. Joe calls out Apple for confirming that ads are coming to Apple Maps. Rants and Raves Robert shares thoughts on courts temporarily allowing Perplexity AI shopping agents on Amazon. Joe raves about the greatness of Rick Rubin and why his approach may tell us something important about the AI future. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    1h 12m

  2. MAR 20

    The Rise of the "Alternatively Influential" (524)

    A new piece from the Wall Street Journal introduces the idea of being "alternatively influential"…people who drive real impact without massive follower counts. Joe and Robert break it down: Is this just a rebrand of "niche creator" or "thought leader"? Or is it actually the future of influence in an AI-saturated world? And most importantly…does audience size matter less than trust, proximity, and credibility? The bigger question: Are we entering an era where being known by the right people beats being known by everyone? AI Isn't Just Helping…It Might Be Hurting A new Morning Brew piece highlights research showing that AI can actually decrease focus and increase mental fatigue when overused. Key findings: Productivity rises with 1–3 AI tools…then drops off after that Workers report "mental overload" and decision fatigue Time saved gets filled with more work, not better work Joe and Robert's take: This isn't really about AI It's about multitasking overload AI just accelerates a problem we already had Bottom line: More tools ≠ better thinking Focus is still the competitive advantage Substack Goes Full Stack (Again) Substack continues expanding its platform, now rolling out a recording studio feature to support video and podcast creation. The discussion: Substack is no longer "just newsletters" It's becoming a complete creator operating system Email platforms, podcast hosts, and even YouTube should be paying attention The real question: Does Substack become the home base for creators…or just another tool in the stack? Winners and Losers Marketing Winner: Calvin Klein Dakota Johnson's new campaign hits the mark Clean, simple, effective brand storytelling that cuts through the noise Marketing Loser: The Oscars Still struggling to stay culturally relevant A branding problem, not just a ratings problem Marketing Loser (Joe): World Baseball Classic Timing Great product…questionable timing Hard to build momentum when the schedule works against you Rants and Raves Joe's Rant: Why Team USA Lost to Venezuela Joe's hot take: It wasn't about effort It was about constraints Team USA had: Contracts Pitch limits Usage concerns Calls from MLB teams Meanwhile, Venezuela had: Fewer restrictions More freedom to just play The lesson: The team with less to manage often performs better Robert's Rave: Where AI Actually Gets Its Content Robert highlights a new piece on AI sourcing: AI doesn't create from nothing It builds on existing human work The real leverage is still in original thinking and creation  Other links: Mel Robbins with Seth Godin Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    1h 12m

  3. MAR 13

    AI Can Now Do Marketing. Now What? (523)

    This week, Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose dig into fascinating new research from Anthropic that reveals how large language models are already capable of executing many traditional marketing tasks. The conversation quickly turns into a deeper question. Is the real disruption AI itself, or the fact that many leaders in mid-size and enterprise organizations never truly valued marketing in the first place? If machines can now execute the tactics, what happens to marketing teams that were already fighting for credibility inside their organizations? The discussion explores what the research means for the future of marketing roles, how AI will reshape tactical execution, and whether strategy, creativity, and trust-building become the true competitive advantages. As usual, Joe and Robert have plenty of opinions and a few laughs along the way. In other news, Meta makes another big move by acquiring Moltbook. Is this a calculated, low-risk gamble from the tech giant, or does the move signal growing pressure in the AI platform race? Meanwhile, LinkedIn content is increasingly appearing in responses from AI chatbots and generative search tools. Joe and Robert discuss what this shift means for marketers and content creators trying to remain visible as discovery moves away from traditional search engines. Winners and Losers Winner #1: Tecovas: A clever follow-up short film connected to a Super Bowl ad campaign shows how brands can extend the life of expensive tentpole advertising. Winner #2: Coinbase launches its new "NPC Break-Free" campaign that will run during the Academy Awards, taking a bold creative swing at culture, conformity, and crypto skepticism. Rants and Raves Robert dives into BlackRock and the fallout surrounding its private credit strategy, raising questions about risk and transparency. Joe closes the show with a rant about a stunning operational blunder by United States national baseball team during the World Baseball Classic. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    1h 8m

  4. MAR 6

    AI Chaos, McDonald's Weirdness, and the Rise of the 90-Second Drama

    It was a wild week in artificial intelligence. Joe and Robert break down a surprising stumble from OpenAI and the aggressive counter-moves coming from Anthropic. The hosts unpack what these developments signal for the broader AI landscape and why the growing concentration of power among a small number of platforms should concern marketers and creators alike. If a handful of companies ultimately control how AI works and how it distributes information, that likely tells us exactly where marketing is headed as well. Along the way, Joe and Robert offer a few friendly suggestions to Sam Altman on how he might rethink his public communication strategy during moments of controversy and rapid change. Next, the show shifts to a supposed social media "problem" involving the CEO of McDonald's on Instagram. Except… it wasn't really a problem at all. Joe and Robert argue the episode was actually a major brand win. The bigger lesson? Companies should stop hiding their quirky, weird, and interesting employees. Celebrating authentic personalities inside organizations may be one of the most underused marketing advantages available today. The conversation then moves into the exploding trend of 90-second serialized dramas dominating short-form video platforms. What started as a niche format is quickly becoming a global phenomenon, reshaping storytelling and opening the door to entirely new forms of brand entertainment. Winners and Losers Joe highlights the creative marketing moves coming from Staples and why the brand may be onto something smart in a crowded retail environment. Robert, meanwhile, calls out what he believes was a strategic misstep from global advertising giant WPP. Rants and Raves Joe raves about a growing opportunity inspired by a recent article in The Wall Street Journal on the rise of subscription mail products and why creators should pay close attention to physical experiences in a digital world. And in a rare twist, Robert offers praise for the research and insights coming from Gartner… something listeners may not have expected. As always, Joe and Robert break down what it all means for marketers trying to build sustainable media brands in a world increasingly shaped by platforms, AI, and shifting audience behavior. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    1h 7m

  5. FEB 27

    Is Brand Advertising Dead? + A Heated AI Debate

    This week, Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose tackle one of the boldest statements in recent marketing memory. The CEO of Unilever says big brand advertising is dead. Is he right? Or is this a Trojan horse for something much bigger? Big Brand Advertising: Dead or Disguised? When the head of one of the largest consumer goods companies in the world questions traditional brand advertising, it's not a throwaway comment. Joe and Robert unpack what's really happening: Are we witnessing the collapse of mass brand-building? Or is this a pivot toward creator-led, performance-driven, and retail media strategies? Is "brand is dead" just cover for short-term earnings pressure?     Facebook's Creator Monetization Shift Next, the hosts examine Facebook and its evolving creator monetization programs. Here's the surprising part: most of the creators earning real money aren't in the U.S. or Europe. What does that signal? Is Facebook optimizing for lower-cost content markets? Is this about global growth or cheaper engagement? Does this open the door to more synthetic and AI-generated content? Joe and Robert debate what this means for marketers investing in creator partnerships and for Western creators assuming they're at the center of platform economics. AI Actors, Hollywood, and Trademarking Yourself A fascinating conversation between Matthew McConaughey and Timothée Chalamet sparks a larger discussion: what happens when AI enters the craft of acting? Will we eventually see: Best AI Actor? Best Synthetic Film? Or entirely new creative categories? Joe raises a bigger issue for marketers and creators: should you trademark your name, image, and likeness? As AI-generated replicas improve, protecting your identity may become a business necessity rather than a vanity move. Winners and Losers Winner: The Creator Betting on Landline Phones Joe highlights a surprising trend: a creator sells old-school landline phones. Marketing Loser: U.S. Men's Hockey Robert explains why the United States men's national ice hockey team earns this week's marketing "L." Brand positioning, expectations, and execution all come under scrutiny. Rants, Raves, and Heated Debate Robert dives deep into Anthropic and its recent moves around AI safety. Is the company quietly shifting away from its core safety mission? Then things get heated. Joe and Robert spar over an article by Matt Shumer on the future of AI. Is exponential acceleration inevitable? Are we underestimating the timeline? Or overhyping the disruption? Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    1h 24m

  6. FEB 20

    Big Tech on Trial, OpenAI's Next Move, and Apple's Late Entry?

    Companies like Meta and other social platforms are facing serious scrutiny over the effects of social media on mental health, teens, misinformation, and society at large. Lawmakers are circling. Hearings are happening. Headlines are dramatic. But is this real regulatory momentum… or political theater? Joe and Robert debate: Whether meaningful regulation is actually possible What history tells us about tech antitrust moments And what marketers should prepare for if something does change Are we watching the beginning of a structural shift, or just another PR cycle? OpenAI Buys OpenClaw OpenAI makes another strategic move, acquiring OpenClaw. Smart vertical integration or signs of pressure? Joe and Robert explore: What this signals about OpenAI's long-term positioning If this move strengthens the moat or exposes vulnerability Desperate land grab or calculated chess move? Apple Moves into Video. Too Late? Apple continues expanding its footprint in video podcasts and entertainment. But in a world dominated by established streaming giants and creator-driven platforms, is Apple behind? The discussion covers: Apple's historical pattern of entering late and winning anyway Whether hardware advantage still matters If brand trust gives Apple an edge in a saturated market What this means for content creators and marketers Is Apple playing the long game… or missing the moment? Marketing Winners and Losers Winners Joe shares a win from Surfside and what "winning" looks like in Key West. Sometimes the lesson isn't scale. It's positioning, timing, and owning a moment. Losers Robert discusses the Ring backlash and how they just didn't read the room. Rants and Raves Robert's Rant The evolving role of the AI creator. Is the curator the new role? Joe's Rave Differentiation is not louder messaging. It's clearer identity. In a world drowning in synthetic sameness, the brands and creators who stand for something specific will win. As always, Joe and Robert cut through the noise so you can focus on what matters. Subscribe. Share. And don't miss this one. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    57 min

  7. FEB 13

    NFL Marketing Wins Big with Bad Bunny

    This week, Joe and Robert break down one of the boldest marketing decisions the NFL has made in years and why it continues to pay off. NFL + Bad Bunny: A Strategic Win The NFL's move to spotlight Bad Bunny wasn't just a halftime performance decision. It was a strategic signal about where the league is headed as it expands globally and looks to connect with younger, more diverse audiences. Joe and Robert explore whether this marks a broader repositioning of the NFL brand and what marketers can learn from a legacy organization willing to evolve in public. This isn't about one performance. It's about how institutions modernize without losing their core. Super Bowl Ad Winners & Losers The guys break down the biggest hits and misses from this year's Super Bowl ad lineup. Which brands actually created impact? Who played it too safe? Did AI-driven ads live up to the hype or feel automated and forgettable? Some advertisers made bold cultural bets. Others blended into the background. Spotify's Big Earnings and the Hidden Opportunity Spotify's latest earnings report might signal something bigger than a financial rebound. Joe sees a potential opportunity for creators and marketers who understand the long-term value of owned audio audiences. Is podcasting and direct subscription audio still undervalued? Are marketers overlooking one of the most durable attention platforms available today? If you care about building direct audience leverage, this segment matters. Winners and Losers Joe's Winner: Markiplier's Iron Lung Markiplier's direct-to-theaters success with Iron Lung shows what creator-led distribution can look like without traditional Hollywood gatekeepers. Is this a preview of the next decade of media? Robert's Loser: AI Ads at the Super Bowl AI promised scale and personalization. On the biggest stage in advertising, many of those spots felt soulless and generic. Scale without taste is not a strategy. Rants and Raves Joe's Rant: TikTok Privacy Are creators and brands ignoring long-term privacy and platform risk for short-term reach? Robert's Commentary: The Overblown SaaS Apocalypse Robert pushes back on the constant doom-and-gloom narrative around SaaS and tech. Is the so-called apocalypse real, or just another overreaction cycle? Big Takeaway Legacy institutions are adapting. Creators are bypassing gatekeepers. Platforms are redefining monetization. The question for marketers is simple: Are you reacting to change, or positioning yourself to benefit from it? Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

    1h 18m

  8. FEB 6

    The Ultimate Rants & Raves Supercut Episode (518)

    It's the episode you've been waiting for. Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose bring together their favorite rants and raves in one fast-moving supercut that tackles the biggest questions facing marketers and creators right now. Is print really making a comeback, or are we just nostalgic for a slower, more thoughtful era of media? Why does everyone seem so certain in a world that's becoming more complex by the day? And is "thoughtful marketing" finally ready for its return after years of hacks, shortcuts, and algorithm chasing? The guys also dig into a question every content team should be asking: Is content actually broken, or is the real problem your org chart? Along the way, Joe and Robert explore what might be the next great opportunity for marketers and content entrepreneurs who are willing to zig while everyone else zags. Big ideas. Sharp opinions. A few laughs. And plenty to argue about on your next walk or commute. You don't want to miss this one. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.  ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts.  All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/  Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork

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Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.

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