The Happily Never After

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"The Happily Never After" is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide closure, provide opportunities to grow, and sometimes, they can even set us free. One thing we know for sure: if life is full of endings, it’s full of new beginnings too, and that’s what we’re here to talk about (alongside a good dose of humor too!) Welcome to "The Happily Never After", where sometimes the end is just the beginning. Learn more at https://heathermcg.com/

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    S3E3: Infertile Black Girl with L'Oreal Thompson Payton

    Author, journalist, and small business owner L’Oreal Thompson-Payton visits The Happily Never After to talk about her experience with infertility. L'Oreal pulls back the curtain on excruciating fibroid battles, heartbreaking IVF disappointments, and her battle with post-partum depression. She talks about writing her upcoming memoir, Infertile Black Girl, to be released in 2027. L'Oreal shares how systemic racism, health disparities, and cultural stigma compound the pain, leaving many feeling isolated and unseen. She also talks about the pressure on Black women and girls to be “twice as good,” and how embracing rest can change everything.  ABOUT L'OREAL THOMPSON PAYTON L’Oreal Thompson Payton is an award-winning journalist, author, speaker, and founder of Zora’s Place, a Black feminist bookstore and community hub in Evanston, Illinois. She is the author of Stop Waiting for Perfect, Amanda Gorman: Poet and Activist, Violet Goes Voting (September 2026) and the highly-anticipated memoir Infertile Black Girl (Spring 2027). Her byline has appeared in outlets such as Essence, Fortune, New York magazine and SELF. Her work centers Black women and girls, mental health, and the power of storytelling. She lives in Evanston with her husband and daughter.  Learn more at lorealthompsonpayton.comFollow L'Oreal at @ltinthecity on all social platforms ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

    41 min

  2. 14 APR

    S3E2 All About Abortion with Esther Kim Varet

    In this raw episode of The Happily Never After, Esther Kim Varet, a congressional candidate and granddaughter of North Korean refugees, shares her personal abortion stories, revealing the complexities of reproductive choices and the fight for women’s autonomy in America. In this episode, Esther discusses her abortions at ages 21 and 41, highlighting the social and political forces that challenge progress. She talks about the impact of religious ideologies on government policy, and the not-so-secret reasons behine these ideologies. Esther debunks abortion myths and explains how restrictive laws endanger lives. We explore the effects of laws limiting reproductive rights, from child-rearing costs to societal patriarchy. Esther connects historical lessons to today's political landscape, emphasizing the need for vigilance. She advocates for separating religious beliefs from policy, asserting that bodily autonomy is foundational to American ideals. This conversation is about democracy, personal freedom, and gender equality. Esther’s insights remind us that our choices define the future. ABOUT ESTHER KIM VARET Esther Kim Varett is an entrepreneur who is running as a Democrat to represent California’s 40th congressional district. She is the founder and owner of the highly reviewed art gallery Various Little Fires. Esther holds degrees from both Yale and Columbia, and she is the granddaughter of immigrants who escaped North Korea on foot.  Connect with Esther's campaign at estherkimvaret.comFollow Esther on Instagram or TikTok at @estherforcongress ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

    44 min

  3. 7 APR

    S3E1: Shed Your Shame with Dr. Naomi Bernstein

    In this episode, Dr. Naomi Bernstein explores how hidden shame can sabotage relationships and peace of mind. She reveals how understanding the two core types of shame—what's happened to you versus what you've done—can empower healing and authentic connection. She provides frameworks, mindsets, and practical trauma healing techniques to help listeners understand and confront all the ways shame shows up in our lives. Dr. Bernstein shares how gradual vulnerability and community support can liberate you from shame's grip. She explains the role of the nervous system in perpetuating shame and why owning your story is key to freedom. This episode offers a compassionate blueprint for reclaiming power, fostering self-awareness, and building stronger relationships. Tune in for transformative insights on healing, connection, and self-acceptance. ABOUT DR. NAOMI BERNSTEIN Dr. Naomi Bernstein is a clinical psychologist with 19 years of experience specializing in somatic mindfulness with individuals and couples navigating relationship challenges. She is also the co-host of popular podcast Oversharing. Dr. Naomi helps us understand how our nervous system drives conflict, disconnection, and reactivity—and why real change begins from the inside out. In her therapy groups, she brings together people facing different life struggles to challenge the familiar belief, “I’ll be happy when…” and to build perspective through shared experience. At the heart of her work is the belief that we heal in connection—because feeling supported and accepted can calm the nervous system and create the kind of resilience and peace that lasts. Connect with Dr. Bernstein at Naomibernstein.comListen to Dr. Bernstein on the Oversharing podcast ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

    58 min

  4. 26 JAN ·  BONUS

    The Messy Middle: How to help a friend who is getting a divorce

    The Messy Middle features casually unhinged bonus episodes while The Happily Never After is between seasons. Short and sweet, they get right to the point. Today we're talking about how you can be a good friend to someone in your life who is in trenches of the divorce process.

    16 min

  5. 17 JAN ·  BONUS

    The Messy Middle: The Origins of Self Care (And, It's Not What You Might Think)

    The Messy Middle features casually unhinged bonus episodes while The Happily Never After is between seasons. Short and sweet, they get right to the point. Today we're talking about the origins of self care, and why it's rooted in social justice.

    19 min

  6. 02/12/2025

    S2E12: Loving and Leaving Alcohol with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor

    In the season two finale of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG welcomes bestselling author Stefanie Wilder-Taylor to discuss her journey with alcohol and sobriety. Stefanie candidly shares her experiences, from the role alcohol played in her life to the pivotal moment that led her to getting sober. The conversation delves into self-awareness, acceptance, and how to change the things in our life that aren't serving us.  ABOUT STEFANIE WILDER-TAYLOR Stefanie is the author of six books including the bestseller Sippy Cups Are Not for Chardonnay and her latest, Drunk-ish. She’s been seen on NickMom hosting her humorous talk show Parental Discretion with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, she’s also the host of four podcasts: For Crying Out Loud, Bored AF, Rose Pricks – a Bachelor Roast, and Drunk-ish.  Learn more about Stefanie, including her work and classes, at stefaniewildertaylor.com ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

    46 min

  7. 25/11/2025

    S2E11: Childfree After Infertility with Carrie Hauskens

    Carrie Hauskens is here to talk about why she is happily childfree after a long journey through infertility. After surviving treatments, surrogacy, and devastating loss, Carrie has redefined her life's plan, and it turns out, life today is pretty great. She's sharing all that she has learned through this experience with incredible candor, emotional meaning, and the kind of humor you develop after making it through the deep trenches of life. This can't miss conversation is for anyone who has found themselves making a hard left after life didn't turn out the way they had originally planned. Sometimes the new destination is happier than you could have imagined. ABOUT CARRIE HAUSKENS Carrie is a freelance writer and MFA student based in Northern California. Her expertise is writing about infertility and the many tangents that radiate from that experience. Her trademark is vulnerable and authentic writing. Follow Carrie on Instagram at @bloomingwithcareFollow Carrie on TikTok at @bloomingwithcareRead more from Carrie at Blooming with Care ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

    46 min

  8. 18/11/2025

    S2E10: Take Charge of Your Love Life with Drea Renee

    Drea Renee is here to share what she's learned about love, and why we all need to get more comfortable when relationships don't work out. She's talking about taking control of her love life, creating a full, happy life, and the life decision that changed everything for her. This is a conversation about leveling up by letting go, and it all starts with you. ABOUT DREA Drea Renee is a media personality, host, and longtime poker insider who has spent over a decade on some of the biggest stages in the game, from the World Poker Tour to PokerGO and the WSOP. Beyond the poker felt, she is the co-host of the hit podcast Hey Babe, Can We Talk?, a show that dives into modern dating, relationships, and self-growth with humor, honesty, and heart. Known for blending wit with real talk, Drea has created a space where guests and listeners alike can laugh, reflect, and get closer to themselves and their partners. Whether she’s interviewing world-class poker players or unpacking the chaos of love and connection, Drea’s signature energy makes every conversation both entertaining and meaningful. Follow Drea at @heybabecanwetalk ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTER The Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about. New episodes every Tuesday.Follow ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thatheathermcg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Learn more about Heather McG at ⁠⁠⁠www.heathermcg.com

    42 min
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"The Happily Never After" is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide closure, provide opportunities to grow, and sometimes, they can even set us free. One thing we know for sure: if life is full of endings, it’s full of new beginnings too, and that’s what we’re here to talk about (alongside a good dose of humor too!) Welcome to "The Happily Never After", where sometimes the end is just the beginning. Learn more at https://heathermcg.com/

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