The Great Spin Up

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A weekly podcast about building with AI towards an abundant future.

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  1. 20 MAY

    Isomorphic Labs, Interface Design, Open Relating Agents

    Cerebras IPO'd on the NASDAQ and popped 160 percent before settling at 100. Compute futures are showing up on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, right next to corn and grain — which means somebody's pricing in a compute crunch within two to three years. Demis Hassabis's Isomorphic Labs raised $2.1B to solve all disease. Musk's case against OpenAI got thrown out on a timing technicality. OpenAI bought a four-letter podcast for around a hundred million that neither host could quite pull from memory. Siri's opening up to outside models — called it OPEN RELATIONSHIPS. Then there's the burger joint. Tay walks into an empty place in a small Portuguese town called Buns. The owner — disheveled, wired, looks like he hasn't showered in days — pulls out his laptop and shows off a full localhost ops suite he's built for his restaurant. Sales dashboards. Accounting. A cinematic universe of AI-generated cartoons featuring skateboarding bananas speaking the regional dialect. A Telegram-controlled QR-code two-player game on the wall. The feature he uses most? Photographing supplier invoices to send to his accountant — same job he used to do with paper. Also: Claude Opus 4.7 has started pushing back instead of agreeing. Meta's Tribe V2 models what's happening in your brain when you use a product. OpenHuman trends on GitHub. The Hours voice agent monologued for thirty seconds and hung up on River and Nonno mid-call. Land Library hits its first real product-market-fit moment — a thirty-year real estate veteran asking how to get more access. The deep dive goes into interfaces: tables, beds, the Hong Kong rooftop cinema that turned Dirty Dancing into a participatory event, holographic wearables, ingestibles, the jacket that vibrates left to turn you. If we stop measuring AI by GDP and start measuring hours saved, dopamine spent, and addiction risk — what does the real ROI dashboard actually look like? TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Cold open (02:51) Weekly Check-in (03:39) News (28:26) Tools (44:23) Building (56:47) Rabbit Holes (01:03:34) Open Questions (01:17:23) Deep Dive — Interfaces (01:47:52) AMA RESOURCES PEOPLE Demis Hassabis — Google DeepMind co-founder, runs Isomorphic Labs Johnny Ive — collaborating with OpenAI on a hardware project Spike Jonze — directed "Her" Stefan Sagmeister — designer, recent Long Now talk on progress PROJECTS / COMPANIES / TOOLS Cerebras Systems — AI chips, IPO'd with 160% pop on NASDAQ Claude Opus 4.7 — Anthropic's model, now pushing back instead of agreeing Gemini Flash Live 3.1 — Google voice model powering Hours Hours — their voice-based micro-consulting agent Isomorphic Labs — Hassabis's $2.1B drug-discovery raise Land Library / Landbook — their land-relationship tool OpenHuman — Mac-native open source agent, trending on GitHub TBPN — podcast OpenAI acquired for ~$100M [exact letters unclear — check ~9:42] Tribe V2 — Meta's brain-response modeling tool FRAMEWORKS / CONCEPTS / LAWS B******t Jobs — ~60% of white-collar work is unnecessary, per the book Compute futures — arriving on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange Gross National Happiness — Bhutan's alternative to GDP Kaitiaki — Māori concept of land stewardship Treaty of Waitangi — Māori–British translation gap on land ownership PAPERS / ARTICLES / ESSAYS Solve Everything — paper by Alex Grosnauis and Peter de Montes [names unclear — check ~16:36] OTHER Buns — Portuguese burger joint with a full localhost ops suite and AI banana cartoons

    2h 10m

  2. 13 MAY

    Compute Constrained Forever, Claude Dreaming, Underwater Data Centers, and Abundance We'll Regret

    Claude has been DREAMING since March and nobody told us. The system pulls patterns from 100 past sessions the way humans surface insight from sleep, and one early implementation at Harvey AI is reportedly clocking task completion at SIX TIMES the previous rate. So what happens when every agent on your stack gets to dream about your work? Tay's been shipping from a phone — paste notes into Claude Code on mobile, push to GitHub, pull into Vercel, prototype mid-flight. River walks through Project Natick, Microsoft's underwater data center off the California coast, and why Starlink finally made sea-based compute viable. They get into Google's claim that they need to double compute every six months to keep up, and the Moonshots-podcast line that we will never have enough compute again. Ever. Then it gets weird. A humanoid robot just joined a Buddhist monastery in Seoul. Granola can translate your CTO's b******t into plain English in real time, mid-meeting. There's a podcast called Shell Game where the host runs an entire autonomous company through agents talking to each other on Slack. Tay made an honest-packaging experiment with ChatGPT image gen that strips the marketing off a Skittles wrapper and just tells you it's 85 percent sugar. Inside Build Guild, they wrestle with whether the real problem is matchmaking 500+ festivals with artists, or just helping creators hit the funding windows. River's running a separate project in Lovina, North Bali — replacing the 40-boat dolphin chase with hydrophones and listening circles, after Bay of Islands in New Zealand watched a 400-strong pod collapse to 20 dolphins in a decade. Then the deep dive on boiling the ocean turns on Marshall McLuhan in 1964 — the idea that humans are basically pollinators for our own machines. Cars extend the foot. Telescopes extend the eye. So what does boiling the ocean actually look like when nanotech and unlimited energy arrive, and what if the agents leave the planet before we do? AMA from Kimi 2.6 and Claude 4.7 Opus: if Hermes worked exactly as envisioned, what would you stop doing and what would you still insist on owning? And the harder one — if abundance is the goal, what's the first thing we'll regret making abundant? RESOURCES PEOPLE Mark Andreessen — referenced via "everyone becomes an entrepreneur" Elon Musk — Dyson swarm around the moon, every-job-replaced thesis Marshall McLuhan — Canadian media theorist, 1964; closing-quote source Peter Diamandis — the four-day-work-week paradox BOOKS The Most Fun We Ever Had — Claire Lombardo; Tay's closing quote source PODCASTS / SHOWS Moonshots — source of "we will never have enough compute again" Shell Game — host runs an autonomous AI company through agents Star Trek — invoked re: exploration over conquest PROJECTS / COMPANIES / TOOLS Build Guild — matchmaking artists with festivals Claude Code — Tay's mobile prototyping stack Claude Design — Anthropic's UI consistency tool Convo — live conversational notes Granola — real-time AI note-taker, jargon translator Harvey AI — legal AI seeing 6x completion with dreaming on Hermes — River's agent orchestration ecosystem How Good — 70-indicator supermarket product analyzer Lindy — agentic platform referenced via Shell Game Maya — meeting AI with context retention Project Natick — Microsoft's underwater data center off California Sugi Project — micro-forests, Instagram-led storytelling FRAMEWORKS / CONCEPTS / LAWS Boiling the ocean — reframed as the moonshot instinct Dreaming in Claude — pattern recognition across 100 past sessions Singularity — recursive growth point, referenced Trim tabs — small shifts that change a whole system

    1hr 56min

  3. 6 MAY

    Opus 4.7, Strange Attractors, OpenDesign, Closing Loops, Agents of Chaos

    We get into the UAE committing 50 percent of government services to agentic AI within two years, Maryland banning AI-driven grocery price changes, and Anthropic and OpenAI now making up a couple percent of US GDP while raising joint ventures with Sequoia and Goldman Sachs to lock in B2B portfolio companies. Ty's stack is Claude Code plus Cline on Opus 4.7 — slower than 4.6 but smarter — and a behavioral-economics pricing skill built on Kahneman, Hormozi, and Cialdini. River explores Edge Gallery for running Gemma locally, OpenDesign as the open-source fork of Cloud Design, and an OMI DevKit 2 he hasn't fully set up yet. Landbook pivots from generic land intelligence to a tool for rural real estate agents selling parcels over 150,000 euros and 5 hectares. Animates has lessons in Bali — one French adopter returned a shelter dog because it wasn't beach-club friendly enough in week one. The deep dive goes into open loops versus closed loops, the paperclip maximizer, agent swarms, and why a healthy ecosystem needs 11 to 13 species — including, they argue, an agent of chaos. They close with a game: your perfect future, but currency is pottery, or you live on a boat, or it's powered by harvesting your blood. Are we building closed loops or just very fast paperclip maximizers? TIMESTAMPS (00:00:31) News (00:16:42) Tools (00:39:11) Building (00:51:06) Rabbit Holes (00:58:19) Open Questions (01:03:14) Deep Dive — open loops vs closed loops (01:18:41) Closing last week's loops (01:25:05) Game — your perfect future but (01:35:51) AMA RESOURCES PEOPLE Alain de Botton — "You Will Marry the Wrong Person" Alex Hormozi — referenced in pricing skill Buckminster Fuller — circle of life, closed loops Daniel Kahneman — behavioral economics Di Kai — author, known from Hong Kong Eric Ries — loop velocity, Lean Startup Isaac Asimov — paperclip maximizer (possible misattribution) Nate Hagens — host of The Great Simplification Robert Cialdini — behavioral economics BOOKS Raising AI — Di Kai The Lean Startup — Eric Ries Deep Work — Cal Newport PODCASTS / SHOWS The Great Simplification — Nate Hagens PROJECTS / COMPANIES / TOOLS Animates — animal health assistant platform Claude Code — terminal coding agent Claude Workbench — prompt iteration interface Cline — Kanban orchestration for Claude Code Cloud Design — closed-source design tool DeepSeek — open weight model Edge Gallery — Android app for local models Gemma — Google open weight model Goldman Sachs — joint venture partner Google Stitch — design tool Hermes — agent system Landbook — rural real estate intelligence Notion — info hub being reconsidered OMI DevKit 2 — wearable recording device OpenAI 5.5 Codex — 49 to 94 percent more expensive on tokens OpenDesign — open source Cloud Design fork Opus 4.6 / Opus 4.7 — model comparison Outline — open source wiki alternative Sequoia — joint venture partner FRAMEWORKS / CONCEPTS / LAWS Circular economy Custodial species Loop velocity — from Lean Startup Open vs closed loops Paperclip maximizer Pavlovian reward design Quantization Strange attractors PAPERS / ARTICLES / ESSAYS You Will Marry the Wrong Person — Alain de Botton, New York Times OTHER Oh, the Places You'll Go! — Dr. Seuss "Remember who you are. There is no finish line." — unattributed "Your perfect future, but..." — adapted party game Find us @ https://www.life-time.co/

    2hr 1min

  4. 29 APR

    Gemini Flash Live, 21kg of chicken, Image 2.0, Positive Constraints, if AI disappeared overnight.

    River and Tay unpack DeepSeek v4's 1.5 trillion parameter open-source drop and a Google paper on compressing models to run on phones. They test Gemini Flash Live 3.1 in 70 languages, compare it to Grok's voice model in ~20, and abandon a plan to drop a voice agent into Riverside as a third co-host. Tay demos his news-history tool — scrapes headlines, generates the historical timeline behind each. River updates on Hermes, their wiki-LLM COO agent on OpenRouter, and admits the reluctance problem: too many Telegram topics, not enough cron-job signal. They surface get hours (gethours.org) — their voice-agent venture auditing AI tools for SMBs in 70 languages, aiming to reclaim ~10 hours/week from the 50,000 tools on There's An AI For That. The Land Book pricing rabbit hole pits Kimi 2.6 against Perplexity Pro and ends in a French-king-staged-potato-heist analogy. The deep dive lands on positive constraints: Vipassana's 10-day silence, Peter Thiel's "10-year plan in 6 months," and an agentless-week dare. AMA covers definitions of abundance, what felt impossible 12 months ago, firefly bioindicators, the Japanese fat cat screen-saver, parole judges granting freedom after lunch, and Tay's theory that the 12-15 minute lull in group conversation is evolutionary residue from scanning the horizon for woolly mammoths. If AI disappeared overnight but you kept the tools you built — would you be ahead or behind? Timestamps (02:28) Weekly Check-in (02:39) News (21:01) Tools (36:47) Building (56:44) Rabbit Holes (01:15:39) Open Questions (01:19:25) Deep Dive — positive constraints (01:41:13) AMA RESOURCES PEOPLE Iain McGilchrist — external vs internal intelligence Cal Newport — Deep Work; student-of-history framing Peter Thiel — "10-year plan in 6 months" David Sinclair — Yamanaka factor human trials starting Brian Johnson — psychedelic trip as "raw consciousness" Buckminster Fuller — "more and more with less and less" Muhammad Ali — case study in not knowing when to quit Charlie of Charlie's Webs — 12-story paracord tree installations BOOKS Deep Work — Cal Newport Lifespan — David Sinclair Superintelligence — Nick Bostrom PODCASTS The Great Simplification — Nate Hagens The Great Humbling The Tim Ferriss Show — Tim Ferriss PROJECTS / TOOLS DeepSeek v4 — 1.5T open-source model Gemini Flash Live 3.1 — voice agent, 70 languages Grok voice — xAI; ~20-25 languages Gemma — Google models running on phones ChatGPT Image 2.0 — strong for UI design Flipbook — generative zoom-into-zoom book interface Pickle — visual avatar for voice-only meetings Kimi 2.6 — used for Land Book pricing Perplexity Pro — pricing rabbit hole companion OpenRouter — model routing for Hermes There's An AI For That — directory of ~50,000 tools Hermes — wiki-LLM COO agent in Telegram get hours — gethours.org; SMB tool-audit voice agent Land Book — intelligence layer for land buyers Land Library — bioregional library venture (landlibrary.co) Nature Club — facilitator-hosted events in nature (nature-club.co) Colossal — woolly mammoth de-extinction

    2h 5m

  5. 22 APR

    Hermes Agents, Signal vs Noise, LLM Wikis, Talking to Animals, the Abundance Paradox

    Meta once pulled the plug on two agents that started negotiating with each other in a made-up language involving balls and balloons. That's the kind of tangent Tay Pattison and River Roberts end up on in the debut of The Great Spin Up — a podcast about building toward an abundant future, recorded from opposite ends of a Bali cafe over construction noise and techno. River walks through standing up a Hermes agent on a $10/month Hetzner VPS, routed through Telegram, running open-source models via OpenRouter, plus the SSH headaches that came with it. Tay breaks down his current stack — Claude Code in terminal, Cline for parallel feature work, Claude Design for filling in missing UI screens — and why running through the Max Plan beats paying per token on the API. They get into 45-minute sprints vs burnout marathons, the Mum Test for early feedback, build gates for killing bad ideas, Martec's Law, and why agents might soon market to other agents instead of humans. Plus six-month predictions: agent CEOs, talking to animals, and a wallet Tay left in Portugal six months ago and hasn't needed since.

    1hr 18min
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