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3D AGO

Why Should Runners Pay Attention to the Trail Running Industry?

Paul Mellor joins Josh on the show — founder of underdog-focused creative agency Mellor&Smith, executive producer and 4x BAFTA nominee on Boiling Point, and currently working on a fresh documentary about ultrarunning legend Lazarus Lake. We dive into why trail runners should care about the bigger outdoor industry, Nike's surprisingly humble return to trail running, what makes certain brands unforgettable (and why others fade into the background), and the power of standing out as an underdog. Presented by Kiprun. Paul Mellor is the founder of Mellor&Smith, a creative advertising agency that specializes in helping underdog outdoor brands — those not yet dominating their category — get noticed by the world. His clients include some of the biggest names in outdoor and adventure who are still fighting for pole position. Beyond advertising, Paul is an executive producer and four-time BAFTA nominee for the acclaimed film Boiling Point (yes, that intense one-take kitchen drama). He's currently deep into producing a new documentary on Lazarus Lake (Laz), the mythical creator of the Barkley Marathons and Big's Backyard Ultra — offering a perspective on Laz you've never seen before. Why trail runners and the trail community should pay attention to the wider outdoor industryNike's re-entry into the trail running space — why acg feels refreshingly humbleThe ingredients that make certain brands memorable in a crowded marketWhy some brands struggle to stand out and may never truly resonateThe mindset and creative approaches that help underdogs punch above their weight and get noticedA sneak peek into Paul's work on the upcoming Lazarus Lake documentary and what makes this take unique. Connect with Paul Mellor on LinkedIn Resources & Links:Nike ACGRaphaSatisfyThe Speed ProjectKantar Research — Insights on brand investment effectivenessPaul Dyson & 2009 + 2020 Media Study — On brand allocation and effective marketing leversspan class="ql-ui"...

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53 min
JAN 29

Tommy Lewis | Run Influencing is Over, Long Live Running

Tommy Lewis and Josh Rosenthal talk about how they're a bit tired with the business of running (content and everything else) but they share a continued commitment and fascination with running itself. Tommy is the final guest in our series celebrating those who bring light to the world through running. Others have included Laz Lake, Nils Arend, Scott Jurek, and Dean Karnazes. He's a content creator and influencer buildling communities around running sustainabily with a sense of purpose and joy. Presented by Kiprun. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

Jan 29

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57 min
JAN 26

Lazarus Lake [pt 3] | Teaching Ultra Runners that Victory Lies in the Struggle [full interview]

Lazarus Lake (Gary Cantrell) is the race director and creator of the Barley Marathons and Big's Backyard Ultra among others. In this interview, Josh pays homage to him with three artifacts designed to spur on conversation and attempt to explain more of who Laz Lake actually is. 1. Cigarettes | Laz smokes Camel Yellows. We talk about his origins of smoking. 2. LIke the Wind magazine | Mechanical watch companies navigated the quartz crisis, Like the Wind navigated the digital crises. Laz, like LtW and Blancpain, they never got sucked in to the crises and stayed convicted and committed to their way of doing things - untouched by modernization. 3. Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway | Laz is like Santiago from the old man and the sea persistently and consistently pursuing value and validation in the struggle. Insodoing, he gives this gift to ultra runners by designing races that tease this out of every participant. Presented by Kiprun. Watch Part 1 and Part 2 of the Laz Lake Interviews. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

Jan 26

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36 min
JAN 13

Lazarus Lake interview [Pt 1] | the Future of Barkleys + Ultrarunning

Josh flew to Bell Buckle, TN to interview Lazarus Lake (aka Gary Cantrell) at his home and backdrop to Big's (and Little's) Backyard Ultra. There are three scenes to The Lazarus Lakes Interviews and in this first one they discuss the races. You all know about Barkleys Marathons and the Backyard Ultras but what about the other races like the Vol State 500k or the now deceased Idiot's Run? Or ARFTA (a race for the ages)? To anyone who knows of Laz Lake, you will not be surprised to learn that this interview was a wild ride in and of itself. He rarely speaks concretely, almost everything is metaphorical. And once you accept that you understand that he's rarely simply talking about a tree or a cave or Jesse James' gold. Josh went into this interview planning to uncover a PT Barnum type or an artist standing at a canvas. Instead, he found a scientist in a laboratory whose lab rats are actually ultrarunners. He's tinkering with variables looking to uncover elements of the human spirt on one hand and on the other, he's at face value. He's a country boy born in Texas and raised in Oklahoma and Tennessee. Presented by Kiprun. With support from Like the Wind Magazine + Hyperlyte Liquid Performance. ---- Listen to Scene Two with Laz (the Last Rebel of Ultra Running) on Spotify or Apple or watch on YouTube For behind the scenes and uncut content from this interview, go to our Patreon. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

Jan 13

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59 min
JAN 19

Lazarus Lake interview [Pt 2] | the Last Rebel of Ultra Running

Gary Cantrell (aka Lazarus Lake) is the last rebel of ultra running. Watch our conversation on Youtube. We love the professionalization of trail running but we don't want it all to go that way. In order for that to be interesing, the world of underground ultra running has to live strong. In this episode, Josh works through the stories of Popcorn Sutton and Andy Payne with Laz. Popcorn Sutton was a moonshiner untouched by modernization. He stood in stark contrast to the Jack Daniels and Jim Beams of the world. They work to maximize revenue and total annual output where Popcorn kept doing things the same way. Andy Payne won the Bunion Derby in 1928 - a race across America with 275 participants. He also happened to be Laz's Dad's neighbor. Laz is a blend of the two figures with a rock and roll-type status preserving a type of heart of running all its own. Enjoy. Presented by Kiprun. ---- Listen to Scene One (the Races of Laz Lake) on Spotify or Apple or watch on YouTube. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

Jan 19

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59 min
12/29/2025

Scott Jurek | Has Ultra Running Become Too Polished?

Scott Jurek represents a generation of ultratrail runners who either had day jobs or were true dirtbag trail runners. Scott and Josh Rosenthal dive into the 'good old days' of trail running when a lot of the gear was DIY like punk rock or skateboarding. Presented by Kiprun. Scott Jurek and Y2KDIY: Ultrarunners, Punk Rock, and SkateboardingRunners have it easier with gear advancesAthlete mentality is shifting in a sterile directionMental resilience in ultra runningThe lasting bonds of competing in ultratrailThe commercialization of Ultratrail RunningDespite changes, the essence of running remains accessible to everyone. This conversation explores the evolution of ultra running, reflecting on personal experiences from the Y2K era to the present day. Josh Rosenthal and Scott Jurek discuss the changes in gear, the competitive landscape, and the importance of community within the sport. They emphasize the mental resilience required for ultra running and celebrate the friendships formed through shared experiences. Despite the commercialization of the sport, the essence of running remains accessible and fulfilling for all. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letter Wylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

12/29/2025

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57 min
JAN 7

Dean Karnazes | Is Ultra Running Still Just a Pair of Shoes and Place to Run?

Dean Karnazes brings light to the world through running. Dean's books and myth motivated many to start running for the first time or pushed them to run further. He's been an amassador for running the world over and on a scale no other runner has enjoyed. In this episode we dive into his appearances on Conan O'briend, David Letterman, and the ESPYs. When he started running it was much simpler. It was really just a pair of shoes and a place to run. But that's not necessarily the good old days. Today there are more people running than ever. And because foundational he believes that running is a gift to all who do it, the growth in every aspect of the industry is net good. Presented by Kiprun. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

Jan 7

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44 min
20H AGO

An Unexpected Running Community You Should Know About | PFW

Josh Rosenthal, Inky Steve, Sam Lohse, Mike Kratzer, and Simon Freeman (co-founder of Like the Wind) sat down in the Borderlands Podcast Studio at Paris Fashion Week to talk about the purpose of PFW and why its important for runners to pay attention to it. You certianly don't have to, but if you're curious or care at all about what's happening with Running Apparel and Clothing, its a brilliant event. Its not for consumers though. It's a classic B2B event in random shops in the 3rd Arrondissement of Paris. There is no central hub telling you what shop is where. You only know where to go if you know where to go. Some brands post on social while others want to be 'found' more organically. It's all interesting. But also useful. Presented by Kiprun. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

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39 min
12/12/2025

For DIE HARD Trail Running Shoe Fans

Josh Rosenthal and Inky Steve explore the future of running gear, discussing innovations in shoe design, the impact of cultural elements like movies on running, and the competitive landscape of brands in the industry. [Presented by Kiprun] They share insights from the TRE event, highlight the rise of smaller brands, and reflect on their experiences with various running products, including the Naked belt. The discussion emphasizes the importance of community and personal preferences in the running world. Brands discussed: NordaKiprunSpeedlandNike / acgMerrellSalomonTantrumsSAYSKYMount to Coast ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letter Wylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

12/12/2025

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40 min
12/22/2025

Nils Arend | The Speed Project Founder

Nils Arend started The Speed Project and it continues to bring light into the world through running. [Presented by Kiprun] Josh and Nils sit on a Rugby Field in Albi, FR at midnight to talk about the origin story of TSP and what it means to so many. Yes, TSP is an ultrarunning event but its not an 'ultrarunning' event. Its not in the ultrarunning zeitgeist, its a zeitgeist all its own. ---- Borderlands.cc | Podcast NetworkSign up: analog*Borderlands [new]letterWylder is now available on iOS + Android.Salt Lake Foothills Trail Races | 30 May 2026

12/22/2025

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1h 15m

Borderlands | The Heart of Trail Running™ We obsess over every inch of trail running in clearly defined podcast channels. • Josh Rosenthal // Borderlands Trail +Ultra Running Podcast | Bad Runners Take, Professional Athletes, Shoe Brand + Founder Deep Dives • Sam Lohse + Inky Steve // High Tones | Run Culture + Commentary • Kade Wilcox // Full Price Runner | all things useful to runners on a journey to run better • Stan Van Kemmel // la French Trail

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