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12/31/2025

Stack Trace 2025

We decided to do our own wrap up for the year. We've called it Stack Trace, and we pulled a bunch of stats from the first year of Fallthrough. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Dylan talk through these stats and how they feel about Fallthrough's first year. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/22. In this week's bonus content, we've got some extra stats! Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: A Year of Fallthrough In Stats (00:03:37)Chapter 2: Better and Smaller Platforms (00:36:28)Chapter 3: Who Had The Longest Monologues? (00:41:33)Chapter 4: It's Different In The Moment (00:49:13)Chapter 5: The Spicy Content That Wasn't (00:54:16)Chapter 6: More Stats! [Extended] (01:00:48)Chapter 7: Thinking About The Future (01:01:05)Epilogue (01:12:35) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:37) - Chapter 1: A Year of Fallthrough In Stats (36:28) - Chapter 2: Better and Smaller Platforms (41:33) - Chapter 3: Who Had The Longest Monologues? (49:13) - Chapter 4: It's Different In The Moment (54:16) - Chapter 5: The Spicy Content That Wasn't (01:00:48) - Chapter 6: More Stats! [Extended] (01:01:05) - Chapter 7: Thinking About The Future (01:12:35) - Epilogue

12/31/2025

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1h 16m
12/25/2025

Worse Is Better

There's a famous joke essay called Worse Is Better, which compares the New Jersey and the MIT ideologies. In this episode, Kris and Matt discuss these two different ideologies and how they show up in technology, from Go, to dependency management, to electric vehicles. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/21. In this week's bonus content, the duo discusses how idealistic thinking has slowed down the adoption of electric vehicles and what a better path forward might have looked like. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: Worse Is BetterSimple Made EasyLess Is Exponentially MoreGo += Package VersioninggovulncheckThe Bizarre Logic of the F-150 Lightning Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Worse Is Better? (00:02:58)Chapter 2: Go Got Stranded In The Middle (00:10:39)Chapter 3: SemVer Is Fundamentally Broken (00:33:32)Chapter 4: We Don't Live In The Ideal World (00:47:19)Chapter 5: BEVs vs EREVs [Extended] (00:56:26)Chapter 6: Holistic vs Deep (00:56:58)Epilogue (01:01:39) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:58) - Chapter 1: Worse Is Better? (10:39) - Chapter 2: Go Got Stranded In The Middle (33:32) - Chapter 3: SemVer Is Fundamentally Broken (47:19) - Chapter 4: We Don't Live In The Ideal World (56:26) - Chapter 5: BEVs vs EREVs [Extended] (56:58) - Chapter 6: Holistic vs Deep (01:01:39) - Epilogue

12/25/2025

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1h 3m
10/13/2025

Ghostty & The Shell

Mitchell once again joins Matt and Kris to give us an update about Ghostty, a new library he's working on called libxev, and some of his thoughts around AI. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters on Mitchell's talk on open source governance and requiring AI disclosures for Ghostty contributions. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty? (00:01:44)Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only] (00:34:14)Chapter 3: libxev (00:34:35)Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only] (00:55:31) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Mitchell Hashimoto - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (01:44) - Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty? (34:14) - Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only] (34:35) - Chapter 3: libxev (55:31) - Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only]

10/13/2025

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57 min
22H AGO

New Year, New Nuance

New Year, New Nuance! In this episode, Kris and Matt discuss what they're looking forward to in 2026—Matt shares the exciting news that he's becoming a dad, and the duo explore the value of growth, changing your opinions, and adding more nuance to how you see the world. They talk about what they're excited to build this year, from physical projects like woodworking and doors to the podcast platform they keep talking about. Kris shares how a conversation with Claude finally made electricity click, leading to a broader discussion about LLMs as "digital librarians" and what education should really be about: teaching you how to teach yourself. As always, we've got supporter content! This week that includes deep dives into local AI infrastructure, home networking with 10G and WireGuard, and a spicy rant about why centralized package management is fundamentally broken. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Where the two reflect on AI doomerism's mental health toll, why things aren't worse than before, the logistics behind society's real problems, and turning waste into opportunity with BASF's Verbund principle. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/23. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Matt's Becoming a Dad (00:03:06)Chapter 2: Growth & Changing Your Opinions (00:06:39)Chapter 3: Adding More Nuance in 2026 (00:15:44)Chapter 4: What We're Excited to Build (00:24:57)Chapter 5: Learning How Things Work: Electricity (00:30:21)Chapter 6: LLMs as Digital Librarians (00:39:05)Chapter 7: The Real Purpose of Education (00:51:44)Chapter 8: Local AI Infrastructure & Home Networking [Extended] (00:58:38)Chapter 9: The Centralization Problem in Package Management [Extended] (00:59:30)Epilogue (00:59:39) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:06) - Chapter 1: Matt's Becoming a Dad (06:39) - Chapter 2: Growth & Changing Your Opinions (15:44) - Chapter 3: Adding More Nuance in 2026 (24:57) - Chapter 4: What We're Excited to Build (30:21) - Chapter 5: Learning How Things Work: Electricity (39:05) - Chapter 6: LLMs as Digital Librarians (51:44) - Chapter 7: The Real Purpose of Education (58:38) - Chapter 8: Local AI Infrastructure & Home Networking [Extended] (59:30) - Chapter 9: The Centralization Problem in Package Management [Extended] (59:39) - Epilogue

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1h 1m
11/12/2025

Artisanal Software Engineering

Software engineering has an identity problem. Some software engineers want to be craftspeople and artisans, while others want to be more like the traditional engineers, while others just want to write some code. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about the state of software engineering today and the areas that they think could use improvement. For this week's episode of break, we're pulling one out of the archives! Sometimes we record an episode and don't ship it for quite a while, and this one was recorded all the way back on July 30th! Kris and Matt talk about their (at the time) yet to be recorded episode with Mitchell, Oxide's Series B announcement, and have another conversation about software artisans. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/15. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear the duo's feelings about project management, the industry's lack of planning, and Kris' recent change in view around artificial intelligence. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (00:02:28)Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (00:17:05)Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (00:26:01)Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (00:26:24)Chapter 5: Path Dependency and Asking Why (00:31:26)Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (00:46:11)Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (00:58:42)Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (00:59:02)Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:02:38)Epilogue (01:03:06) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:28) - Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (17:05) - Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (26:01) - Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (26:24) - Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (31:26) - Chapter 5: Path Depenency and Asking Why (46:11) - Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (58:42) - Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (59:02) - Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (01:02:38) - Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:03:06) - Epilogue

11/12/2025

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1h 9m
12/20/2025

Why Is Tech So Mid?

In the tech industry, we talk about how exceptional and innovative we are. But are we really? In this episode, Kris and Matt explore why they see the industry as pretty mid and how things should be better. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/20. In this week's bonus content, the duo discusses the problems with hype and how it's not just about the tech industry. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: Why Is Tech So Mid? (00:02:27)Chapter 2: The Innovation Hype [Extended] (00:35:42)Chapter 3: Everyone Is Always Wrong (00:36:14)Epilogue (00:53:51) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:27) - Chapter 1: Why Is Tech So Mid? (35:42) - Chapter 2: The Innovation Hype [Extended] (36:14) - Chapter 3: Everyone Is Always Wrong (53:51) - Epilogue

12/20/2025

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58 min
10/07/2025

The Failure of Open Source Leadership

Open source project leaders have faced heavy challenges over the last decade and a half. It seems every language community has had conflicts with its leadership: Python with the struggles of the Python 2 to 3 migration; Node.JS and the community's conflict with Joyent; Rust and their handling of trademarks and IP; Wordpress and their conflict with WPEngine; and of course Go and their conflict around dependency management (and error handling). Now we've added another: the recent conflict between Ruby Central and the community. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Steve discuss these conflicts and what they tell us about the way we've come to see leadership within open source projects, where the blame actually lies, and what changes we can make to avoid these issues in the future. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters about the sustainability of the current model and where we should place blame for the current problems. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: Bryan Cantrill Platform as a Reflection of ValuesLow Level Rust is causing a lot of problemsIf WordPress is to survive, Matt Mullenweg must be removed‘This Is Just How We Do Things Now’: The Quiet Collapse of StandardsTable of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (00:02:07)Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (00:41:04)Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (00:45:21)Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:01:49)Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:02:19)Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:03:06)Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:13:41)Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had (01:24:24) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:07) - Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (41:04) - Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (45:21) - Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (01:01:49) - Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:02:19) - Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:03:06) - Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:13:41) - Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:24:24) - Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had

10/07/2025

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1h 30m
10/20/2025

DevOps: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything

In this episode, hosts Angelica Hill and Matthew Sanabria are joined by special guest Cory O'Daniel to dive deep into DevOps. They chat through some of the big questions shaping the industry: Is the "cloud promise" still holding up? What role does on-prem infrastructure play now? And perhaps most importantly, what does "DevOps" even mean today? We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. We've got a ton of supporter content in this episode, so our supporters can hear Cory's thoughts on why technology choices should be kept simple, why we aren't thinking things through, and why the C-Suite forgets the pain of being an IC. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (00:05:50)Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (00:20:27)Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (00:46:10)Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (00:58:18)Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (00:58:45)Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (00:59:26)Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:00:16)Epilogue (01:03:12) Hosts Matthew Sanabria - Host Angelica Hill - Producer Cory O'Daniel - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (05:50) - Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (20:27) - Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (46:10) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (58:18) - Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (58:45) - Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (59:26) - Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (01:00:16) - Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:03:12) - Epilogue

10/20/2025

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1h 7m
09/30/2025

PHP Was Never Dead

This week we've got a grab bag episode! Kris and Matt discuss a variety of topics, including a GopherCon debrief (featuring some RustConf comparisons!), why people can't be mad all the time, the need for better abstractions, and so much more! We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about carefully selected criticism and a new Linux distro. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: The Future of Programming - Bret VictorTable of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: GopherCon Debrief (00:02:26)Chapter 2: Corporations Are Followers (00:34:10)Chapter 3: Carefully Crafted Narratives [Supporter Only] (00:44:09)Chapter 4: You Can't Be Mad All The Time (00:45:47)Chapter 5: We Need New Abstractions (00:55:40)Chapter 6: Omarchy [Supporter Only] (01:11:45)Epilogue (01:13:27) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:26) - Chapter 1: GopherCon Debrief (34:10) - Chapter 2: Corporations Are Followers (44:09) - Chapter 3: Carefully Crafted Narratives [Supporter Only] (45:47) - Chapter 4: You Can't Be Mad All The Time (55:40) - Chapter 5: We Need New Abstractions (01:11:45) - Chapter 6: Omarchy [Supporter Only] (01:13:27) - Epilogue

09/30/2025

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1h 15m
12/05/2025

Ghostting Is Better Than Shelling

We've had Mitchell Hashimoto on a couple episodes, and each time we've discussed his vision for libghostty. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about what the vision for libghostty actually means for the industry as a whole and the power of platforms. The duo also covers the new models that have dropped and how they see using the various models that have become available. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XbjmqlSWlKI. This week's episode of break continues the conversation, where they continue this conversation and talk about how we're all becoming writers. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/18. We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. All of them are together in the middle of the episode, with a small intro and outro around them. In this week's bonus content the duo discusses how AI might help save Stack Overflow, how it's making us write more specifications for software, and how it might lead to a much more viable funding model for the web. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (00:02:28)Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (00:35:27)Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (00:35:59)Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (00:36:38)Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (00:37:37)Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:01:04)Epilogue (01:04:56) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:28) - Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (35:27) - Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (35:59) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (36:38) - Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (37:37) - Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (01:01:04) - Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:04:56) - Epilogue

12/05/2025

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