Everyone seems to be chasing the next breakthrough: the newest biohack, recovery tool, supplement, wellness trend, luxury gym membership, or productivity hack. Yet the people who appear happiest often have something much simpler—a clear purpose, meaningful relationships, a strong body, and a life built around things they genuinely enjoy. Kenny Santucci returns for a third appearance, but this time the format is different. This is two longtime friends sitting down for an unfiltered conversation about the current state of fitness culture, gym innovation, entrepreneurship, wellness trends, relationships, happiness, and why so many people overcomplicate what it means to live well. From cold plunges and coffee obsessions to business growth, purpose, dating, community, and finding peace in your forties, this episode is a reminder that the best life isn't always the most optimized—it's the one you actually enjoy living. Follow Kenny @kennysantucci Follow Chase @chase_chewning ----- 00:00 – Kenny is BACK 02:00 – The future of gym equipment and fitness innovation 08:25 – Why experience matters more than products 13:00 – Luxury gyms, wellness clubs and what people really pay for 18:30 – Ketones, performance and chasing the next wellness trend 21:40 – Why most people live somewhere in the middle 25:00 – Metal music, Enya and finding balance 26:20 – Othership, mushrooms and wellness culture 29:00 – Open-mindedness versus blind judgment 30:30 – Building teams and scaling businesses 37:40 – Who takes care of the entrepreneur? 39:00 – Kenny's definition of the perfect day 41:40 – Coffee, cigars and simple pleasures 47:00 – Why happiness isn't more stuff 54:45 – Relationships, freedom and staying true to yourself 57:00 – Marriage, family and timing 01:03:00 – Arnold Schwarzenegger and breaking the rules 01:08:00 – Why Chase stopped attending wellness events 01:11:00 – Getting older and caring less what people think 01:12:00 – Purpose, fulfillment and avoiding resentment 01:14:00 – The reality of aging and why fitness matters 01:16:30 – Kenny's definition of Ever Forward ----- Episode Resources: Energy Bits - 20% off with code EVERFORWARD KETONE IQ - 30 % off brain fuel LMNT - free sample pack 38terra - 33% off gut health Watch and subscrbe on YouTube