S2E8 Cole Moir on what replaced the CMO role - the four hires that matter, and how he'd manage budget for a $200 million brand. 31% of Fortune 500 companies don't have a CMO right now. Starbucks, Walgreens, and General Motors are three of them. That number is the cleanest way to describe what's happened to the CMO role. Cole Moir has spent close to 20 years inside the shift. He led brand marketing at TCL, where the company became the fastest-growing consumer electronics brand two years running. Before that, Samsung, Sony Entertainment, and Motorola. Before that, agency years at Ogilvy, Edelman, and 360i. He has owned the NFL relationship, partnered with Olympic athletes, and run Call of Duty campaigns. Ricardo Belmar and Casey Golden put the obvious question to him. If the CMO role keeps getting renamed or removed, what takes its place? Cole's answer is an AI marketing organization that looks nothing like the org chart most companies run today. Small always-on strategy teams. Cohorts of five to twenty agents doing tactical work. Four roles carrying the entire function. And the people who last are the ones who can look at infinite AI-generated creative and say which piece is any good. Cole calls that taste. He thinks it's the scarcest skill in marketing. Then Casey put a number on the table. $200 million brand. How would you budget marketing? Cole answers with real percentages, then adds a warning: spend under 25% in the upper and mid funnel and you'll pay for it inside two years. We also get the partnership math nobody publishes. Only 5% of NFL fans have ever been to a game. 95% watch at home, on their own TV or a friend's. Of the 100 most-watched TV shows over the past decade, 96 are football. That's how a challenger TV brand builds the case for an NFL deal. Cole closes with a single question that tells you whether your AI marketing organization is real: if AI disappeared tomorrow, would your system break, or would everyone go back to what they were already doing? What You'll Learn in This Episode Why 31% of the Fortune 500 has no CMO, and which titles absorbed the CMO role.Why the next CEO is more likely to come out of marketing than sales.The four roles Cole says every marketing team needs, and the two he'd stop hiring for.How an AI marketing organization gets staffed, from agent cohorts to human-in-the-loop.How to split a $200 million budget across upper funnel, conversion, and testing.The 25% floor Cole says you can't drop below without paying for it later.How NFL and Olympic partnerships get evaluated before anyone signs anything.The two influencer groups that will matter, and why last-click kills the case for both.Brand lift studies, messaging pull-through, and MMM as the influencer scorecard.How AI changed creator discovery, and why Cole writes influencer contracts in two parts.The three skills he'd tell a 25-year-old marketer to build, and the two habits to drop.Cole's one-question test for whether AI is integrated or decorative. 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Over nearly two decades at Ogilvy, 360i, and Edelman, and with brands like Samsung and Motorola, he's helped companies compete in crowded categories and win. Most recently, as VP of Brand and Digital Marketing at TCL North America, he led brand, digital, eCommerce, and performance strategy for the fastest-growing TV brand in the US for two consecutive years, backed by partnerships with the NFL and the International Olympic Committee. From the Oscar Mayer bacon dating app to the Motorola Razr relaunch and next-generation SQD-Mini LED innovation, his focus has never changed: helping brands punch above their weight and take outsized market share. Today, he's deep-diving into AI and advising growth-stage brands. Chapters (00:00) Teaser (00:53) Show Intro (04:33) Welcome Cole Moir (07:29) AI and CEO Expectations (08:20) CMO to CEO Pipeline (09:36) Guest Career Background (10:37) Future Marketing Org Design (13:33) Hiring for New Roles (14:55) Big Brand Partnerships (19:08) Measuring Partnership Impact (20:19) Influencer Marketing Evolution (24:12) AI for Creator Discovery (27:09) Influencer Measurement KPIs (29:50) Budget Allocation Across Channels (32:39) Budget Split Strategy (35:16) Attribution and Geo Tests (36:52) Agentic AI Org Design (38:40) Skills for Future CMOs (41:01) AI Predictions and Creative (45:25) Taste and AI Integration (48:06) Show Close Meet Your Hosts Helping you stay sharp, be bold, and transform retail: Ricardo Belmar is an NRF Top Retail Voice for 2025 and a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert from 2021 – 2026. Thinkers 360 has named him a Top 10 Thought Leader in Retail, a Top 25 Thought Leader in AGI and Careers, a Top 50 Thought Leader in Agentic AIand Management, and a Top 100 Thought Leader in Digital Transformation and Transformation. Thinkers 360 also named him a Top Digital Voice for 2024 and 2025. He is an advisory council member at George Mason University’s Center for Retail Transformationand the Retail Cloud Alliance. He was most recently the partner marketing leader for retail & consumer goods in the Americas at Microsoft. Casey Golden, is the North America Leader for Retail & Consumer Goods at CI&T, and CEO of Luxlock. She is a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert from 2023 - 2026, and Retail Cloud Alliance advisory council member. After a career on the fashion and supply chain technology side of the business, Casey is obsessed with the customer relationship between the brand and the consumer and is slaying franken-stacks and building retail tech! Episode Music Includes music provided by imunobeats.com, featuring Tropikool, from the album Future Beats 2, plus Virtual Apology and New Styles, from the album Shimmer Pop, written by Heston Mimms, published by Imuno.