The MMA Draw Podcast

Nate Wilcox, the founder of Bloody Elbow and Zach Arnold, the founder of Fight Opinion explain the game behind the fights, covering the business of MMA, combat sports and a little bit of pro wrestling. www.themmadraw.com

  1. 1d ago

    The Mad Squabbles Show: The Price of War & Paper Billionaires in Sport

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.themmadraw.com This is absolutely the week when it pays to be a paid subscriber to The MMA Draw newsletter on Substack. We’ve been very busy on multimedia projects and would like to give you a preview of coming attractions. Subscribe and check out our latest Mad Squabbles YouTube content. This is where we will be posting shorter videos with entry-level discussion married to interactive graphics. Substack is where you can access our long-form podcasts unfiltered and uncensored. This week’s Mad Squabbles podcast is centered around two very important articles we recently published at The MMA Draw: * Blake Avignon - Serpents in the Garden: Fury vs. Joshua, MSG, and the Contract War (August 27, 2026) * Zach Arnold & Nate Wilcox - TKO & Redbird swap Everpass for DAZN. What now for Eddie Hearn? (August 28, 2026) To make a long story short, you are starting to see the same multi-billionaire operators take over multiple sports teams in multiple sports leagues. The concentration of power for a very select few dealmakers is intensifying. The paper billionaires who don’t have instant access to liquidity are in emergency mode, hanging on for dear life. Many of the names we’ve spotted in the TKO orbit over the last three years are now invading the global sports orbit. Egon Durban. Ari Emanuel. Gerry Cardinale. Apollo Global Management. Khaldoon Al Mubarak. What is it that we spotted in 2023 with TKO in our coverage at The MMA Draw that gave us a key advantage before other sports writers and talking heads? Our experience covering TKO gave us a chance to build experience covering high finance, politics, and war. Without this knowledge base, there is no way that we could cover what is happening in this insane sports financial cycle where multi-billion dollar teams are flipping like 1980s baseball trading cards. How does the Mark Walter saga with Guggenheim, the Lakers, and potentially the Dodgers fit into this picture? It’s all about insurance, Sovereign Wealth Funds, and Abu Dhabi. Listen to this week’s podcast to find out all the details. There’s a reason so many people inside the combat sports industry have been caught flat-footed. But not our loyal subscribers to The MMA Draw newsletter. You have been way ahead of the curve. What happened to the game we used to love? That’s where we step in with deep knowledge about war and peace on this week’s edition of The Mad Squabbles Show. The Receipts Some of our sources for the show: Video of Zuffa Boxing presser at Fanatics Fest NYC in July 2026: Ways to listen to this episode This is a subscriber-only episode. The first 30 minutes are free for everyone; the full hour is for paid subscribers. PAID SUBSCRIBERS The easy way is the Substack app: https://substack.com/app Install it, sign in with the email address you subscribed with, and the full episode is waiting. Prefer your usual podcast app? Set your private feed up once, and every full episode arrives automatically from then on: 1. Open https://www.themmadraw.com/account 2. Copy the URL under “Private podcast feed” 3. Paste it into Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Pocket Casts, or whatever you use. It’s tied to your account — please don’t share it. Seeing a 30-minute version of this episode? That’s the public preview feed. Use your private feed instead. Nate Wilcox is Editor-in-Chief of The MMA Draw. He founded BloodyElbow.com in 2007 and sold it in 2024. Zach Arnold is a lead opinion writer for The MMA Draw on Substack. His archives can be read at FightOpinion.com. Contact Zach: fightopinion at protonmail dot com.

  2. Aug 24

    Resending Full Version for Free: Mad Squabbles Show: UFC’s role in the Paramount-WBD merger

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.themmadraw.com Sorry, I screwed up the paywall thing and blocked free subscribers from accessing the episode — which includes a free one-month subscription offer for free subscribers so…oops! Resending. What is the common link the UFC, Paramount, Manchester City, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the Los Angeles Dodgers all share? They share ties to the same multi-billionaire world leaders who are pushing puny lower-class billionaires to the side for sports ownership. This phenomenon has been building for a decade, and you can trace some of its roots to a 2009 meeting between Ari Emanuel and Khaldoon Al Mubarak of the UAE’s sovereign wealth fund, Mubadala. Connie Bruck’s 2021 New Yorker article titled Ari Emanuel Takes on the World was an eerie foreshadowing of things to come in global sport. Ari Emanuel is bundling billionaires for global sport the same way he bundled millionaires for Hollywood Democrats: Egon Durban. Khaldoon Al Mubarak. David Ellison. That is the focus of this week’s Mad Squabbles podcast for The MMA Draw. There has been a month-long blizzard of media headlines regarding the Paramount/Warner Brothers Discovery merger and antitrust opposition to it. When you get down to it, what really matters to UFC fans? That’s our focus on this week’s podcast. The role of the UFC in Paramount’s global expansion is far greater than you truly appreciate. Most importantly, the TKO empire has consolidated the world’s most elite billionaires in their own Super Billionaire League of ownership and control. The Mark Walter story with the Lakers (and perhaps the Dodgers soon) highlights how quickly things are moving under the feet of billionaire sports owners. It’s why Scott Barrett’s Long Term Bull Thesis on TKO was one of the most important articles we’ve published at The MMA Draw. You’ll find out exactly why on this week’s edition of The Mad Squabbles Show with Nate Wilcox & Zach Arnold. If you listen to the show or read this far, we’d like to give you a free month’s subscription; click here to collect. On the show, Nate talked about using the password Preston, but it turns out that won’t work on Substack, so never mind about that. Ways to listen to this episode This is a subscriber-only episode. The first six minutes are free for everyone; the full hour is for paid subscribers (but we’re giving away a month free at this link.) PAID SUBSCRIBERS The easy way is the Substack app: https://substack.com/app Install it, sign in with the email address you subscribed with, and the full episode is waiting. Prefer your usual podcast app? Set your private feed up once, and every full episode arrives automatically from then on: 1. Open https://www.themmadraw.com/account 2. Copy the URL under “Private podcast feed” 3. Paste it into Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Pocket Casts, or whatever you use. It’s tied to your account — please don’t share it. Seeing a six-minute version of this episode? That’s the public preview feed. Use your private feed instead. NOT A PAID SUBSCRIBER YET? As promised on the show — the Preston offer gets you a free month. Just open that link; no code to type. It runs for 30 days from when you click it. Full episode, the archive, and the comments: https://www.themmadraw.com/subscribe

  3. Aug 24

    Mad Squabbles Show: UFC’s role in the Paramount-WBD merger

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.themmadraw.com What is the common link the UFC, Paramount, Manchester City, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the Los Angeles Dodgers all share? They share ties to the same multi-billionaire world leaders who are pushing puny lower-class billionaires to the side for sports ownership. This phenomenon has been building for a decade, and you can trace some of its roots to a 2009 meeting between Ari Emanuel and Khaldoon Al Mubarak of the UAE’s sovereign wealth fund, Mubadala. Connie Bruck’s 2021 New Yorker article titled Ari Emanuel Takes on the World was an eerie foreshadowing of things to come in global sport. Ari Emanuel is bundling billionaires for global sport the same way he bundled millionaires for Hollywood Democrats: Egon Durban. Khaldoon Al Mubarak. David Ellison. That is the focus of this week’s Mad Squabbles podcast for The MMA Draw. There has been a month-long blizzard of media headlines regarding the Paramount/Warner Brothers Discovery merger and antitrust opposition to it. When you get down to it, what really matters to UFC fans? That’s our focus on this week’s podcast. The role of the UFC in Paramount’s global expansion is far greater than you truly appreciate. Most importantly, the TKO empire has consolidated the world’s most elite billionaires in their own Super Billionaire League of ownership and control. The Mark Walter story with the Lakers (and perhaps the Dodgers soon) highlights how quickly things are moving under the feet of billionaire sports owners. It’s why Scott Barrett’s Long Term Bull Thesis on TKO was one of the most important articles we’ve published at The MMA Draw. You’ll find out exactly why on this week’s edition of The Mad Squabbles Show with Nate Wilcox & Zach Arnold. If you listen to the show or read this far, we’d like to give you a free month’s subscription; click here to collect. On the show, Nate talked about using the password Preston, but it turns out that won’t work on Substack, so never mind about that. We did a shortened version of this for YouTube THE RECEIPTS Every document we put on screen, in the order we hit them ------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything we put on screen in this episode’s YouTube version is below, in order, with the timestamp where we get to it - so you can read the sources yourself instead of taking our word for any of it. If you only want the UFC end of the story, the eighteen-minute cut is on YouTube: 0. WHERE THIS STARTS Where the 2009 meeting between Emanuel and Khaldoon Al Mubarak of Mubadala is reported, and the piece that saw the shape of all of this before anyone was calling it a sports story. Everything below is what happened next. 1. DAVID ELLISON SAYS HE’S LEAVING CALIFORNIA 1:17 - The threat that started the whole news cycle. Worth noting who it is aimed at: not Californians. 6:23 - The 415,000-square-foot property in Austin. The lot he is supposedly buying sits next to an actual garbage dump. Not the Tesla factory. A garbage dump. 2. THE THEATRE CHAINS PICK A SIDE 6:55 - The PR war with AMC. Exhibitors are not neutral parties here and this is where they show it. 3. NEWSOM, 2028, AND WHERE HOLLYWOOD MONEY GOES 17:40 - Newsom backing the merger. Every Republican and every Democrat in California is on board except one man, and we get to him further down. 18:07 - Ari and Katzenberg over the CNN debate. 18:23 - What Ari did after Biden’s debate collapse. 18:35 - Same passage, second source. We are not relying on one outlet for this one. 18:44 - The 2024 Aspen Ideas Festival. Read the guest list. 4. ARI’S ACTUAL LEVERAGE 22:38 - The William Morris client list is the leverage. Not the capital. This is the part most of the coverage misses. 5. MEANWHILE, THE UFC RUNS ON AUTOPILOT 27:46 - A three-million-dollar gate in Sacramento. Oklahoma City does the same. It does not matter where they run it or who is on the card. 6. AND ARI IS ALREADY BUYING THE NEXT THING 31:27 - Six billion dollars for a theatre company holding West End and Broadway houses. Keep this one in mind when we argue he would drop the UFC in a heartbeat. He is not waiting around. 7. THE LAST HOLDOUT 42:16 - Everybody wants this merger done. Everybody. 42:44 - Except Rob Bonta. The lone Attorney General standing in the way, and the reason this is not finished yet. 43:04 and 43:24 - Two more on the California AG thread, for anyone who wants to follow how that office has handled this kind of thing before. 8. WHAT IT ALL MEANS FOR THE UFC 47:04 - The UFC onto Paramount+, expanding into Canada in 2027. Note what is not in this announcement: CBS. 48:19 - The stepladder. Revenue rising year over year across the seven years. This is the $7.7 billion, and it is why every other league in the world spent this offseason demanding a comparable multiple and getting told no. That is the paper trail. The argument is in the audio. Ways to listen to this episode This is a subscriber-only episode. The first six minutes are free for everyone; the full hour is for paid subscribers (but we’re giving away a month free at this link.) PAID SUBSCRIBERS The easy way is the Substack app: https://substack.com/app Install it, sign in with the email address you subscribed with, and the full episode is waiting. Prefer your usual podcast app? Set your private feed up once, and every full episode arrives automatically from then on: 1. Open https://www.themmadraw.com/account 2. Copy the URL under “Private podcast feed” 3. Paste it into Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Pocket Casts, or whatever you use. It’s tied to your account — please don’t share it. Seeing a six-minute version of this episode? That’s the public preview feed. Use your private feed instead. NOT A PAID SUBSCRIBER YET? As promised on the show — the Preston offer gets you a free month. Just open that link; no code to type. It runs for 30 days from when you click it. Full episode, the archive, and the comments: https://www.themmadraw.com/subscribe

  4. Aug 20

    Mad Squabbles MMA History: BJJ vs. Luta Livre

    This week’s podcast with Nate & Zach is all about discussing the very complex history of Brazilian fight styles beyond the carefully curated Gracie family business narrative on display at the early UFC events and the marketing of nascent MMA in the US and Japan. As the UFC became more popular in the United States and the Gracies transitioned to Vale Tudo Japan & PRIDE, many fighters and hardcore fans began learning about the genealogy of Brazilian martial arts. As Zach noted in our most recent Ken Shamrock podcast article, most Japanese fight fans were familiar with Masahiko Kimura — the judoka who beat Helio Gracie in 1951. However, Japanese fans were well aware of Kimura because of a double-cross involving Rikidozan in 1954 that forever changed Japanese fight sport history. Helio and Kimura would be key icons in the marketing story behind the Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Royce Gracie 2000 Pride marathon match at the Tokyo Dome. But that’s a story for another day; we’ve got a lot of history to catch up on. Long before the UFC, there was a battle in Brazil for the heart and soul of fight sport. There were multiple Gracie family branches with competing interests. The Gracies were closely aligned with various right-wing government administrations. Catch wrestling (known in Brazil as Luta Livre), judo, Capoeira, Muay Thai, and other styles were confronted by elite BJJ talent. Sometimes winning, sometimes losing. There were also internal BJJ rivalries that captured fans' attention, like the Gracie family feud with their star pupil, Waldemar Santana, who beat Helio and then lost to Carlson. But when Luta Livre competitors learned judo, they became a real threat to Gracie BJJ, and stars like Euclydes “Tatu” Hatem and later Ivan Gomes dominated the sport. But the problem in Brazil throughout the 20th century was the failure to extend past short-term spectacles. A few matches a decade would capture popular attention, but then the fad would pass. It was all too much freak show, too little sport. The one-year lifespan of the Gracie’s Vale Tudo TV show Heróis do Ringue from 1959-1960 was typical. Initial strong ratings imploded when a submission hold broke an arm on live TV and the whole thing got canceled. The battle exploded again in the 1980s when Rickson Gracie established public dominance. First in his fights against Casimiro de Nascimento Martins aka Rei Zulu, and second in his videotaped beach confrontation with Luta Livre leader Hugo Duarte. The real target was Marco Ruas, but Ruas wanted weeks to train and Rickson already had a ticket purchased to follow his brother Rorion to Hollywood. The irony of Ruas becoming UFC champion at UFC 7 after Royce Gracie exited the UFC was rather thick. The elites vs. the working class. Generations of tradition vs. cross-training in multiple disciplines. When you go back in time and look at what happened in Brazil in the 20th Century, it truly was the melting pot of combat sports and immigration. It all traces back to Kanō Jigorō, the founder of judo, who sent students like Mitsuyo Maeda to the Western Hemisphere to challenge catch wrestlers on the carnival circuit that ranged from Alaska to Brazil. This week’s edition of the Mad Squabbles MMA show goes in-depth on much of the Brazilian fight history that has been revealed to the English-speaking world in the last 10 years and how new archival information changed the narrative of what was truly evolving in fight sport. The key fighting event this week’s podcast is based on was a 1991 Gracie BJJ vs. Luta Livre 3-on-3 event called Desafio. It was the war to settle the score. Luta Livre lost that day, but Marco Ruas and other multi-disciplinary fighters would make sure that Vale Tudo would soon rule the MMA world. It didn’t take very long before the next generation of monsters from Chute Boxe would dominate in PRIDE and thrill hundreds of thousands of spectators with legendary performances still talked about to this day. We’ll be back to talk about the entry of freestyle wrestlers like Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, and Mark Frye in our next historical episode. Ways to listen to the Mad Squabbles (MMA Draw) podcast We’ve been giving the wrong instructions for how to do this so apologies! Ways to listen to the Mad Squabbles (MMA Draw) podcast PAID SUBSCRIBERS — START HERE Your full episodes don’t come through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Those apps carry our public feed, which has only free previews of paid episodes. Full episodes come through your own private feed, which is unique to you. The easy way — the Substack app. Install it, sign in with the email address you subscribed with, and every full episode is waiting. Nothing to copy or paste: https://substack.com/app Or add your private feed to the podcast app you already use: 1. Open your subscription settings: https://www.themmadraw.com/account 2. Scroll to “Private podcast feed” and click “Set up podcast” 3. Copy the feed URL. It’s tied to your account — please don’t share it. 4. Paste it into your app: Apple Podcasts — Library, then the ••• in the top right, then “Add a Show by URL” Overcast — the + button, then “Add URL” Pocket Casts — paste the URL into the search bar, then tap + Your private feed link is also in the welcome email you got when you subscribed. FREE LISTENERS Free episodes, plus previews of the paid ones: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id984162015 Spotify: RSS: https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/1407790.rss Paid subscriber and seeing 12-minute episodes here? That’s the preview feed — use your private feed above instead. Nate Wilcox is Editor-in-Chief of The MMA Draw. He founded BloodyElbow.com in 2007 and sold it in 2024. Zach Arnold is a lead opinion writer for The MMA Draw on Substack. His archives can be read at FightOpinion.com. Contact Zach: fightopinion at protonmail dot com. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.themmadraw.com/subscribe

  5. Aug 11

    Mad Squabbles MMA History 2: Ken Shamrock and the evolution of Japanese professional wrestling

    We recently launched our fantastic MMA history podcast series on The MMA Draw podcast and discussed The Greatness of Royce Gracie. It gave us a chance to discuss the modern marketing campaign for Gracie BJJ and the launch of UFC. More importantly, it was a window in which we could explain our fandom and how we got into this crazy space in the first place. The birth of PPV, VHS tape trading, Playboy, Hollywood, martial arts movies. So many current UFC fans missed out on the nostalgia. Nate became an MMA fan because of the early days of UFC. UFC was all about marketing the Gracie BJJ family business. Zach became interested in MMA through the various Japanese off-shoots like UWF, RINGS, Shooto, and Pancrase. UFC (America) and Pancrase (Japan) were parallel worlds experimenting with the concept of what Mixed Martial Arts could and should be. UFC was about BJJ and the cage while Pancrase was about hybrid wrestling in a ring. Yes, the Japanese viewed both catch and professional wrestling as derivatives of martial arts. The key figure in the launch of both UFC and Pancrase was Ken Shamrock. He’s our focus on this week’s Kid Nate MMA history series on The MMA Draw podcast. The MMA Draw Newsletter is a reader-supported publication diving deep in the history of the sport that you love. Your paid subscription helps us chronicle fight sports’ biggest events. A quick introduction on Japanese fighting history Before we get to Nate’s old archive from the OG Bloody Elbow about Japanese professional wrestling, let’s do a quick-and-dirty primer to understand what the landscape looked like in 1993 when UFC, K-1, and Pancrase launched. After World War II, former Sumo wrestler Rikidozan became the face of Japanese professional wrestling. He was a national hero who also happened to be of Korean descent, which raised many issues — especially in combat sports — about the role of zainichi. Foreign governments faced a stark political choice: have a Japanese government siding with China or America. Eventually, the CIA and MI-6 would come to terms with the rise of the yakuza. The yakuza would take over many aspects of nation building. Fight sports in Japan were a very special yakuza business. Rikidozan was bridging the dark and light business worlds between Korea and Japan. In December of 1954, Rikidozan had a famous wrestling match with Masahiko Kimura, the legendary Japanese judoka who submitted Helio Gracie three years earlier in Rio de Janeiro. Rikidozan double-crossed Kimura in their 1954 match at Kuramae Kokugikan and won. The fight was labeled as “the Showa Era’s greatest mystery.” The two men had agreed to a three-fight series but Rikidozan went into business for himself and the rest was history. Rikidozan’s double cross of Masahiko Kimura helped influence a series of terms still used in pro-wrestling language to this day, such as cement and crowbar. One of the CIA’s favorite entertainment outposts in Tokyo was called The New Latin Quarter, which was a copy of the The Latin Quarter from New York City. The Latin Quarter was founded by Barbara Walter’s father, Lou, in 1942. New Latin was founded in 1959 and imported a lot of American entertainment acts like James Brown and Sammy Davis. Rikidozan would have a legendary decade of all-time ratings bonanzas, including matches against The Destroyer. Japanese citizens across the country would watch these events on street televisions. In December 1963, Rikidozan got into an altercation with a Sumiyoshi-kai yakuza member at The New Latin Quarter. Rikidozan reportedly was trying to seduce a hostess but ended up getting stabbed in the abdomen and died at the age of 39 due to peritonitis. A decade later, two of Rikidozan’s most important students — Giant Baba (All Japan) and Antonio Inoki (New Japan) — founded their own respective professional wrestling companies. Baba was heavily influenced by American pro-wrestling and his love of wrestlers like Bruno Sammartino and The Destroyer. Rikidozan’s sons, Mitsuo and Yoshihiro, sided with Baba. Antonio Inoki’s vision of professional wrestling was far different. Inoki was influenced by his travels throughout Brazil. He wanted to push the boundaries of wrestling into the world of Kakutougi (“other” fighting). Karl Gotch, Billy Robinson, Lou Thesz, and other key grapplers wrestled in New Japan. A few years after New Japan’s launched, Inoki transitioned into kakutougi matches against different martial artists like Willie Williams, The Monster Man, and a freak show fight with Great Antonio. It was part of Inoki’s master plan to eventually fight Muhammad Ali at Nippon Budokan in June 1976 with Judo Gene LeBell as the special referee. Josh Gross wrote a spectacular book on this subject that you can purchase at Amazon. Inoki embraced the negative criticism from the Ali match head-on. New Japan would eventually become the dominant TV ratings powerhouse for Japanese professional wrestling. However, multiple financial and political scandals in the 1980s created significant chaos for the company. A major financial scandal involving an Inoki Brazilian sugarcane company called Anton Hi-Cel caused major turmoil among New Japan’s top wrestlers like Tiger Mask Sayama, Yoshiaki Fujiwara, and Riki Choshu. New Japan was being used as a piggybank for Inoki’s other ventures. This financial chaos helped create two major 1980s splinter groups in wrestling: the Universal Wrestling Federation (UWF) and Japan Pro-Wrestling (Choshu). Japan Pro-Wrestling did an invasion angle with Baba’s All Japan in 1985. UWF decided to go a separate path and market “dojo pro-wrestling.” The concept was to put on display the kind of daily training professional wrestlers were engaged in. Satoru Sayama had world-class lightning speed and technique. Yoshiaki Fujiwara was a sadistic submission master in the gym spending his many days learning painful joint manipulation holds. The 1984 incarnation of the UWF forever changed wrestling. After the first UWF imploded, Sayama would create Shooto. The second version of the UWF, formed in 1988, brought the first UWF to mass market appeal with key New Japan talent like Nobuhiko Takada and Akira Maeda. There were always whispers that Antonio Inoki allowed these splinter groups to develop, with Akira Maeda recently stating in 2026 that he thought Inoki could crush them at any time but decided not to for whatever his reasons may have been. The UWF had a major show in 1989 at The Tokyo Dome called U-COSMOS. In 1990, a young American wrestler named Wayne Shamrock would be booked by the UWF for a major event at Osaka Castle Hall. The second UWF would implode in December 1990 due to financial scandal. Multiple splinter groups were created. Akira Maeda formed RINGS in 1991 and featured key Dutch + Russian talent like Chris Dolman, Dick Vrij, and Volk Han. Takada, Yoji Anjo, and other UWF talent would form UWF International in 1992. Major foreign talent like Gary Albright, Vader, and Bad News Allen would compete at Nippon Budokan events. Danny Hodge, Lou Thesz, and Nick Bockwinkel would endorse the UWF-I champion as the Professional Wrestling Champion of the world. Yoshiaki Fujiwara would form Fujiwara-gumi and brought along two incredibly talented UWF students: Minoru Suzuki & Masakatsu Funaki. Fujiwara-gumi was financially backed by eyeglass magnate Hachiro Tanaka of Megane Super. Tanaka was a financial backer of the controversial SWS (“Money Pro-Wrestling”) company that lured away famous ex-Sumo/All Japan pro-wrestler Genichiro Tenryu. When SWS imploded in 1992, Fujiwara-gumi continued to produce events until 1993 when Pancrase launched. Fujiwara’s top students, along with foreign talent like Ken Shamrock and Bas Rutten, would soon revolutionize the concept of Japanese professional wrestling’s role in modern Mixed Martial Arts under the concept of shootfighting & Hybrid Wrestling. Which brings us to the rise of Ken Shamrock in both Japan (Pancrase) and America (UFC). That’s the focus of this week’s Kid Nate MMA history series on The MMA Draw podcast. If you enjoy this week’s podcast as much as we did in producing it, please become a paid subscriber to The MMA Draw and join us for future episodes. Ways to listen to The MMA Draw podcast Ways to listen to this episode This one’s free for everyone: Spotify: Substack app: https://substack.com/app Paid subscribers — most of our episodes are subscriber-only, and those don’t come through Apple or Spotify. Those apps carry our public feed, which has previews only. Set up your private feed once at https://www.themmadraw.com/account under “Private podcast feed,” and every full episode arrives automatically from then on. Nate Wilcox is Editor-in-Chief of The MMA Draw. He founded BloodyElbow.com in 2007 and sold it in 2024. Zach Arnold is a lead opinion writer for The MMA Draw on Substack. His archives can be read at FightOpinion.com. Contact Zach: fightopinion at protonmail dot com. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.themmadraw.com/subscribe

  6. Aug 6

    Mad Squabbles MMA History 1: Pancrase meets Gracie BJJ at UFC 1

    One of the topics that really excites us the most at The MMA Draw is the history of the sport. So many current UFC fans have no idea when this spectacle was created and why. Just how important was the UFC before TKO got their corporate hands on it? How was this industry created? And what exactly were the motives of everyone involved? Long before TKO became a multi-monopoly swallowing up combat sports, the concept of Mixed Martial Arts was something that many different visionaries on different continents were fighting to establish as a marketing concept. There was Antonio Inoki fighting Willie Williams, “The Monster Man” Everett Eddy, and Billy Robinson. There were various Japanese incarnations of the UWF in the 1980s and the multiple factions created after various financial and political civil wars. One of those factions was Pancrase, which promoted and developed major stars like Masakatsu Funaki, Minoru Suzuki, Ken Shamrock, and Bas Rutten. Yes, professional wrestling was considered a martial art. Read Jonathan Snowden’s recent article about Minoru Suzuki and you will be blown away by the concept of Hybrid Wrestling. Zach ventured into the world of MMA through Japanese combat sports. Nate ventured into the world of MMA through the UFC and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. This week’s podcast for The MMA Draw, which brought us much joy, is based on Nate’s old MMA History series at the OG version of Bloody Elbow. Our focus is on how the UFC was created as a giant promotional machine for Gracie family business and the impact it had on popular global culture. If you love the history of fight sports and the crazy characters that helped build what we watch today, become a paid subscriber to The MMA Draw and enjoy our new podcast series. Black Belt Magazine and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu If you have never seen the archives of Black Belt Magazine, you are in luck. There is an extensive Google archive in which you can go back in time and see the kind of mass market appeal this publication had in the United States. Long before there was an Internet, magazine culture was a real thing. Playboy and Hollywood would have an instrumental role in popularizing fighting sports in the 1980s. Before there was an UFC, there was a cottage industry of self-styled martial arts masters who gained infamy and notoriety. Napoleon Blownapart recently chronicled this historical mayhem. The MMA Draw proudly presents the first installment in our MMA history podcast series. This week is all about The Greatness of Royce Gracie and how he was the perfect avatar for marketing the family business. The UFC was his physical and commercial playground. Topics covered on this week’s MMA Draw historical podcast series * How the sport evolved from what was originally called “No Holds Barred” fighting into what we now know as Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) and the UFC. * Royce Gracie’s satisfying narrative arc, winning early tournaments while being tested to his absolute physical limits, and his peak period from late 1993 to early 1995. The Gracie Family & Martial Arts Marketing * The Gracie Family Dynamic and Business: The different agendas within the family business in the 1980s, including Rorion Gracie in Hollywood, Carlson Gracie training successful fighters, Rickson Gracie, and Royce. * The Royce Gracie Avatar: How was this slender, “wimpy looking” guy able to disarm so many of his opponents in sparring sessions and in the cage? It was the perfect example of how the Gracies sold the world that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu could overcome any size difference. Why was the UFC the greatest marketing gimmick in fight sport history? * Rorion Gracie’s Hollywood Breakthroughs: Rorion moving to L.A. in the 1970s, working as the combat consultant for Mel Gibson’s stunts in Lethal Weapon, and the influential 1989 Playboy magazine article titled BAD that introduced BJJ to the American public. Art Davie paid very close attention… and the rest was history. Historical Foundations of Combat Sports * Kanō Jigorō codifying ancient Jiu-Jitsu samurai techniques into modern Judo at the Kodokan in the 1890s. * Mitsuyo Maeda’s Travels: Count Maeda’s journey from the U.S. to Cuba and Brazil, competing against catch wrestlers in professional circuits. * The 1980s Combat Sports Boom: The peak era of boxing (Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran) and professional wrestling (Vince McMahon, the first WrestleMania pay-per-view, Hulk Hogan, the Funks, and Ole Anderson). * Traditional Martial Arts (TMA) marketing: 1970s action movies (Bruce Lee & Charles Bronson) and the 1980s craze of Kung Fu and karate movies (Chuck Norris, Steven Seagal, Jean-Claude Van Damme) and Black Belt Magazine articles detailing Dim Mak “death touch” techniques. The Creation of the UFC * Screenwriter John Milius & The Octagon Design: How the screenwriter/director of Conan the Barbarian worked with Rorion Gracie and reportedly suggested the Octagon design. There was even an original proposal to surround it with a crocodile-filled moat. Our old friend Jake Rossen at ESPN published an article in 2013 investigating the truth behind the invention of the Octagon. * The “Gracies in Action” Challenge Videos: Rorion Gracie’s L.A. studio advertisements offering to break the arms of challengers, leading to videotaped fights of Royce against Kung Fu practitioner Jason DeLucia and other traditional stylists. Tape Trading & Regional Crossovers * Blockbuster Rental and Japanese Tape Trading Culture: Renting early UFC tapes next to pro wrestling tapes at Blockbuster, buying tapes through HOOK ‘n SHOOT, and Japanese fighting magazines (Gong, Weekly Pro Wrestling) grouping all combat sports together. * Pancrase vs. UFC Rule Differences: How Pancrase used a ring, banned closed-fist punches to the face, and discouraged ground striking, which left founder Ken Shamrock unprepared for Royce Gracie’s tactics. * How the early days of the UFC was the Wild West: Crazy characters like Jim “Superfoot” Wallace, Ben Perry (in-house Gracie promoter), legendary football player Jim Brown, and (long-time Fox News personality) Brian Kilmeade. Nobody knew what they were watching unfold in front of their eyes! Why did watching the UFC feel so much like watching a “forbidden” underground activity in the 1990s? How did the Gracie family exploit this raw, uncensored environment to convince the world that they owned the combat sports platform that would cement their family legacy? Royce Gracie established the modern standard of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and made it an integral component of current-day UFC fighting. If you enjoy this week’s podcast as much as we did in producing it, please become a paid subscriber to The MMA Draw and join us for future episodes. Ways to listen to the Mad Squabbles (MMA Draw) podcast PAID SUBSCRIBERS — START HERE Your full episodes don’t come through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Those apps carry our public feed, which has only free previews of paid episodes. Full episodes come through your own private feed, which is unique to you. The easy way — the Substack app. Install it, sign in with the email address you subscribed with, and every full episode is waiting. Nothing to copy or paste: https://substack.com/app Or add your private feed to the podcast app you already use: 1. Open your subscription settings: https://www.themmadraw.com/account 2. Scroll to “Private podcast feed” and click “Set up podcast” 3. Copy the feed URL. It’s tied to your account — please don’t share it. 4. Paste it into your app: Apple Podcasts — Library, then the ••• in the top right, then “Add a Show by URL” Overcast — the + button, then “Add URL” Pocket Casts — paste the URL into the search bar, then tap + Your private feed link is also in the welcome email you got when you subscribed (if you just subscribed recently). FREE LISTENERS Free episodes, plus previews of the paid ones: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id984162015 Spotify: RSS: https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/1407790.rss Paid subscriber and seeing 12-minute episodes here? That’s the preview feed — use your private feed above instead. Nate Wilcox is Editor-in-Chief of The MMA Draw. He founded BloodyElbow.com in 2007 and sold it in 2024. Zach Arnold is a lead opinion writer for The MMA Draw on Substack. His archives can be read at FightOpinion.com. Contact Zach: fightopinion at protonmail dot com. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.themmadraw.com/subscribe

  7. Jul 23

    How the US/Iran war + AI debt bomb married TKO, Paramount, and Saudi Arabia

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.themmadraw.com Well, this sure turned out to be one intensive deep dive of a podcast. This week’s edition of The MMA Draw podcast is all about the financial, legal, and political consequences of the United States/Iranian war in the Middle East and how the damage has forced the investments of very rich governments to converge into consolidation. Nate wrote about Oracle’s financial peril and its potential to unravel the nascent Ellison Paramount/WBD/TikTok media empire under his Nat Wilson Turner nom de blog, and we referenced that quite a bit in this discussion. Ed Zitron has a big update about Oracle’s AI debt bomb and how leveraged Larry Ellison is financially both to AI and Paramount. Turki Alalsheikh and SELA have managed to consolidate the boxing world through Nick Khan and TKO. The biggest fights will happen on Paramount or Netflix, while DAZN has control of the legacy promoters for the rest of the boxing world. Saudi Arabia is a key financial backer of the Paramount/Warner Brothers Discovery merger deal. Meanwhile, Mark Shapiro is running wild with his fingerprints all over UFC & WWE matchmaking. Shapiro is not only imposing his sports fandom onto TKO audiences, he’s primarily booking “moments” for his big financial backers like Michael Rubin of Fanatics. On this week’s MMA Draw podcast, we explain the entire Tom Brady/TKO marriage and the role of Silver Lake boss Egon Durban. The heart of this week’s MMA Draw podcast is all about our go-to streaming expert, The Entertainment Strategy Guy. We recently conducted a Q & A with ESG on a number of your most requested questions regarding UFC on Paramount. So much of Larry Ellison’s Oracle fortune is tied to Paramount. As Nikkei recently reported, there is a massive off-the-books campaign by the world’s biggest tech companies regarding how much debt is in the dark from investors. If you want to know how all of this is tied into Paramount and big UFC + Zuffa Boxing fights airing on the Ellisons’ streaming platform, this week’s MMA Draw show is the place to go for prime time storytelling. It pays to become a paid subscriber to The MMA Draw and this week’s podcast is living proof of listener benefits. Ways to listen to The MMA Draw podcast For our paid subscribers — please update your podcast feeds so that you never miss the latest edition of The MMA Draw podcast. You can check out The MMA Draw Podcast on Substack via the following feeds: * The MMA Draw Substack Podcast on Apple * The MMA Draw Substack Podcast on Spotify * The MMA Draw Substack Podcast RSS feed Nate Wilcox is Editor-in-Chief of The MMA Draw. He founded BloodyElbow.com in 2007 and sold it in 2024. Zach Arnold is a lead opinion writer for The MMA Draw on Substack. His archives can be read at FightOpinion.com. Contact Zach: fightopinion at protonmail dot com.

  8. Jul 14

    UFC 329 week TKO'd Conor McGregor & boxing as we know it

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.themmadraw.com It’s not your fault if you got sucked into the Conor McGregor vortex. At least it wasn’t on PPV. Besides, Benoit Saint Denis’ performance against Paddy Pimblett was far more depressing. This week’s edition of The MMA Draw podcast focuses on the current state of affairs for the UFC Lightweight division after UFC 329’s fight results. Are you interested in Paddy Pimblett vs. Ilia Topuria? How about Max Holloway vs. Arman Tsarukyan? There are lots of unresolved questions from UFC 329 week to answer. We want your feedback to this week’s podcast. Leave us a comment and tell us what you think of this week’s show. For our paid subscribers, we talk all about TKO’s all-in strategy on Zuffa Boxing as a growth story. Mark Shapiro needs this talking point on Wall Street because the value extraction of WWE fans for Summerslam in Minneapolis is not reportedly going according to plan. Thanks to the fountain of (mis)information known as ChatGPT, take a look at the last four weeks of Netflix ratings numbers for WWE RAW. With WWE business softening, TKO’s timeline to take over boxing has plenty of incentive for acceleration. Dana White asked the public to judge Zuffa Boxing at the end of the year by who they sign and how many cards they produce. Right on cue, there is significant consolidation in the boxing industry with both Turki Alalshikh/TKO and DAZN. Some of the big questions we address on this week’s MMA Draw podcast: * Why the Shakur Stevenson signing and Netflix confirmation of Anthony Joshua vs. Tyson Fury is a big credibility boost, especially if that fight happens in Las Vegas * What is happening behind the scenes with the various delays in announcing Ryan Garcia vs. Conor Benn and how a certain boxing Twitter account may have revealed a much bigger story regarding Paramount’s potential involvement * Is DAZN being positioned as TKO’s boxing version of Fight Pass? Will DAZN end up being a permanent boxing subcontractor for all other major streaming media platforms? * Why Zuffa Boxing is able to continue with their consolidation plans regardless as to whether or not the US Senate passes the Ali Revival Act When it comes to TKO, you can’t simply talk about one piece of their combat sports portfolio. They are constantly tying WWE, UFC, and Zuffa Boxing business headlines into one consolidated, corporate package. Synergy. Important News For our paid subscribers — please update your podcast feeds so that you never miss the latest edition of The MMA Draw podcast. You can check out The MMA Draw Podcast on Substack via the following feeds: * The MMA Draw Substack Podcast on Apple * The MMA Draw Substack Podcast on Spotify * The MMA Draw Substack Podcast RSS feed Nate Wilcox is Editor-in-Chief of The MMA Draw. He founded BloodyElbow.com in 2007 and sold it in 2024. Zach Arnold is a lead opinion writer for The MMA Draw on Substack. His archives can be read at FightOpinion.com. Contact Zach: fightopinion at protonmail dot com.

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Nate Wilcox, the founder of Bloody Elbow and Zach Arnold, the founder of Fight Opinion explain the game behind the fights, covering the business of MMA, combat sports and a little bit of pro wrestling. www.themmadraw.com

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