Five Rules for the Good Life Podcast

Darin Bresnitz

The best advice usually comes from someone who learned it by living it. On Five Rules for the Good Life, I sit down with my favorite people from the culinary community and ask them to share five rules on something they know inside and out. Each episode gets straight to the good stuff: the habits, opinions, and little revelations that come from years of doing the work. Short conversations with plenty to chew on, and something you can bring into your own life at the dinner table and beyond.  The Guests Chefs, restaurateurs, writers, bakers, artists, and the people who make food culture worth caring about. Some you already love; others you’ll be very happy to meet. All have a perspective worth learning from. fiverules.substack.com

  1. 3d ago

    Jason Hall’s Five Rules for Opening a Restaurant Anywhere in the World

    “Experience the local hospitality scene. You’ve earned it. It’s one of the biggest privileges of international travel. It’s that thing that will get your light bulb to go off.” ~ Jason Hall Opening a restaurant is hard enough when you live around the corner. So what happens when it’s halfway around the world? This week, Jason Hall, Vice President of Culinary at Tao Group and Executive Chef of Cathédrale, joins me to share his Five Rules for Opening a Restaurant Anywhere in the World. We talk about building a team you can trust, doing the work before you board the plane, and understanding the neighborhood before you move into it. There’s also tennis, late-night marketing calls, and a dessert in Rome that found its way onto a menu in New York. A great conversation about what it takes to bring hospitality across borders without losing your footing along the way. Having spent plenty of time traveling for work in the culinary world, I know how quickly the excitement of a new city can turn into another airport, another meeting, and a very confused sleep schedule. What I love about Jason’s approach is that he makes room for the things that keep him feeling like himself, even when everything around him changes. Pack the tennis racket, find a yoga studio, and make time to sit down at someone else’s restaurant and let them take care of you. We’re lucky to work in a world that gives us so many opportunities to eat, explore, and meet people. Finding that balance helps you actually enjoy the life you’re working so hard to build. Photo by Justin Levy Introduction Hello, and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. This week, we grab our passports and travel the globe with Jason Hall, the Vice President of Culinary at the Tao Group and Executive Chef of Cathedral. He’s here to share his five rules for opening a restaurant anywhere in the world. He talks about the importance of making sure that your house is in order and that no matter where you are or what you’re doing, you need to maintain your routine. It is a great conversation for anyone who’s ever wanted to open a business or a restaurant not in their backyard and to understand what it takes to work with an international team of professionals. Please take a moment to rate and subscribe to this podcast wherever you listen. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Bringing Food and Entertainment Together Jason, so nice to meet you. Thank you for making the time, especially with your cross-globe travels. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Great to be here. So many people have tried to pair entertainment with food and usually fall short on elevating the cuisine. How are you within the Tao Group able to keep these two disciplines on the same level? One of the things at Tao Group, we have a very deep team in each department when it comes to design, when it comes to service, when it comes to culinary, when it comes to marketing. The secret sauce for us is making sure those elements are consistent across the board. When you have alignment through the vertical and you’re developing a concept, that’s how you can bring that energy to life. Being able to bring this to life has really been prevalent in America’s approach to using restaurants as a night out, not just as a stop on a way to a club, but really mixing the two together. Have you found this to be similar all over the world or is America just catching up? It depends on the place. I think in the major markets, you really have that connection of restaurant and nightlife. Of course, in New York, all roads are paved through Tao with that, right? They painted the picture of having a really high energy dinner, then leaving your table and walking through the door into the nightclub. That’s a very New York thing to do. In the smaller cities, they’re catching up. The Nashvilles, the Houstons, the Scottsdales, they haven’t quite got there. In the major cities, yes, that culture exists. Creating a Feeling Across Cultures Being able to visit and work across so many different cultures and cities, how many different parts of the globe are influencing each other or is they isolated and only swapping a few ideas? I’m pretty privileged with my position with the Tao Group, so I’ve been able to hit a lot of those markets. It really depends on the place and the people. If you’re entering that market or you’re going there to do a takeover and you’re very authentic and you deliver to those people to that place, then those things come together. Hospitality is all about for us is that we’re creating a feeling and the guests really remember that feeling. Sometimes, it’s not so much about who the DJ was, what was on the plate or what was in the glass. It’s the energy and the feeling and the emotion created in the night. Rule Number One: Make Sure Your House Is in Order Being able to tap into that energy, that emotion, really that feeling and keeping it consistent across all of the restaurants you work in across the globe makes me very excited for you to share your five rules for opening a restaurant anywhere in the world. I can only imagine what your calendar looks like with your travel and the details and the meetings and being on the line and being in the restaurant. Just the idea of trying to stay organized has got to be a full-time job and this makes up your rule number one. Rule number one, make sure your house is in order. There is no worse feeling than traveling across the globe and not having the businesses that you have open functioning at a really high level. That’s more important than the travel, just making sure my teams are very strong, making sure the guests have a great experience in the restaurants that we have open. That allows you to leave with confidence and focus on what you have to do. Having the team to carry the business forward while you’re away is the first rule. If it’s a mess, you can’t go. Rule Number Two: Do the Work Before You Travel Being able to have that trust, being able to know that you’re being supported in the different aspects of what it takes to oversee all these different properties before you hit the road and this makes up your rule number two. Number two is do the work before you travel. It’s kind of like a bop training for a big fight. The fight is won in the gym and that’s kind of our mentality. There is a tremendous amount of nitty-gritty stuff that people don’t see leading up to a big international opening. 100%. There’s organizing talent, there’s procurement, there’s recipes. One thing that we pride ourselves on is that we have the same systems in each of the restaurants anywhere in the globe. You could walk into Lavo Singapore and they’re expediting the same way as Tao Down Town, as Sakinohana, as Cathedral. Oh, that’s amazing. You can just jump in, you can see the timing on the tickets and you can know if they’re in the s***s or things are good and I can just observe. It’s really systems and organization heading into it. Rule Number Three: Do Your Research Being organized so that you can run the line is one thing. Being organized so that you can understand the local culture is quite another. People drop into different cities and parts of the globe and just say, I’m going to bring in what I know, I don’t need to learn anything about the city, which usually leads to their detriment and is a big part of your rule number three. Rule number three is do your research. 100%. It’s crazy to me that people travel without doing research. The goal isn’t for us to export a brand. It’s to create an experience that respects and celebrates the community we’re entering. Although we have strong points of view in a lot of our brands, we still take the approach that we’re moving in to their neighborhood. We spend a lot of time before an opening, there’s a lot of research of going there, exploring the neighborhoods, exploring the specialty shops and suppliers, finding little ways to incorporate authentic local ingredients and flavor and culture into the concept. And I think that’s really appreciated. Rule Number Four: Maintain Your Routine at All Costs Going to all these different local cities, going across the globe, changing time zones, being on planes, having done that type of work myself, I know how it can affect your health mentally, physically. You just feel like you’re never grounded. Your fourth rule talks about the importance of keeping this to keep you moving forward in the best way possible. What’s your rule number four? Maintain your routine at all costs. All costs. You have to do it. 100%. At all costs. Wear yourself first. Yeah. I always pack my tennis racket. Very easy to get into the suitcase. Let’s get on the court soon, bud. I start to make some calls to some local tennis clubs, and if I can’t make inroads, then the concierge starts to call for me. I love that. But I can usually find a tennis court with somebody to hit with far less money than you’d pay a coach in New York City, so it’s usually at a discount. I’ve been practicing Bikram yoga for over a decade. If I can get into a studio and sweat it out after a long haul trip, it sets the tone and resets your club. I would say as I’ve gotten older, it’s more of a necessity, less of a luxury. Getting your mind right through exercise, even having a coffee in the morning, just making sure that you know that you can put your mind and your body right before you’ve got to go out and face the team. Work doesn’t stop just because you’re away. No. We have a lot of calls and obligations that I’ll be 12 hours away in Singapore on the Ritz Carlton yacht in the Canary Islands, and I’m taking calls. As one does. I’m taking marketing phone calls at 12.30 in the morning to make sure I’m on it. You got to maintain your routine. Rule Number Five: Experience the Local Hospitality Scene Having t

    Jason Hall’s Five Rules for Opening a Restaurant Anywhere in the World
  2. Oct 12

    Josh Loeb's Five Rules for Longevity in Restaurants

    “Every day, doesn’t matter how great we were yesterday. Every day we have to come in and go, what can we do differently today? What can we do better today?” ~ Josh Loeb Twenty years in the restaurant business gives you plenty of stories, but I wanted to hear what keeps Josh Loeb excited about showing up tomorrow. The co-founder of Rustic Canyon Family Restaurants joins Five Rules for the Good Life to share his Five Rules for Longevity in Restaurants as Rustic Canyon celebrates its twentieth anniversary. We talk about quality, keeping it fun, having each other’s backs, and the work behind a seemingly simple dish that makes you wonder why yours never tastes quite that good at home. From knowing when to retire a beloved burger to giving each chef room to find their voice, Josh shares what it takes to keep a neighborhood restaurant growing alongside the people who love it. What I love about Josh and his colleagues is that twenty years in, they’re still pushing, still refining, and still asking what they can make better. That might mean spending more time on a stock, rethinking a sauce, or letting go of a dish that everyone once thought would stay on the menu forever. Having spent so much of my own life in the food world, I have a lot of respect for people who can keep that curiosity alive while doing the daily work of taking care of their team and their guests. Rustic Canyon remains one of my favorite places to eat in LA, and hearing Josh talk about the care behind it makes the trip across town feel even more worthwhile. A Personal Note Before we get into this week’s episode, a quick personal note. The documentary that I produced alongside director and producer Jeffrey Reiner on legendary winemaker Randall Grahm, The Terroirist, will have its global premiere this Saturday, October 17th at the Santa Cruz Film Festival and then a follow-up screening at the Green Film Festival of San Francisco on October 18th. We will also be a part of the Austin Film Festival and have its New York East Coast debut on November 9th at City Winery. The documentary has been three years in the making and we are so excited to share it with the world. Now on to this week’s episode. Introduction Hello and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. Today I sit down with Josh Loeb, the co-founder of Rustic Canyon Family Restaurants, whose flagship restaurant, Rustic Canyon, is celebrating their 20th anniversary with a series of guest chef dinners throughout October. He’s here to share his five rules for longevity in restaurants. He talks about the importance of focusing on quality, how to keep it fun while keeping up your craft, and that by having everyone’s back, you build trust with everyone you work with. It is a great conversation for anyone who’s looking to stay in the long game or for anyone looking to pick up insights for someone who’s been in the business for over 20 years. Please take a moment to rate and subscribe to this podcast wherever you listen. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Josh, always good to see you. Thanks again for having us in the other week. Always one of my favorite places to eat in LA. Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me. Twenty Years of Rustic Canyon It was a great meal and you served quite a few great meals over your 20 years in business, which is truly an incredible and unique milestone. Is there anything from those early days that still guides you today? The restaurant was always built around change, but also being really familiar and staying the same. The core principles are the exact same that they’ve been since day one, and that’s really boiled down to three things, which is great ingredients across the board, all the way through the kitchen, craft, making everything from scratch, and then making sure that we’re taking our work very seriously, but not taking ourselves very seriously. We want it to feel really warm, cozy, and hospitable. I always wanted Rustic to be the best neighborhood restaurant in America. For some people, a neighborhood restaurant is a restaurant where it’s the same menu and you go in 20 years later and it’s exactly the same. And it’s so comforting and I get that. That’s a great thing also. For me, I like change. I like to know that I’m going to have certain core things. I know it’s always going to be approachable, and I know it’s always going to be delicious, and that’s always going to be seasonal. Our menu has changed a lot. It’s funny, our first chef, we lost all our files because it was pre-cloud. Our computer crashed. I’ve been texting with him because he’s coming to the first dinner and we’re doing it all together. Samir just sent me a video. He had kept every menu printed. And so I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. So I’m so excited to dig into those. Having all those great menus, having all that change, you’ve been in and out of different moments in food trends and cooking. What have you followed and what have you avoided to keep your mission at Rustic Canyon the way you want it to be? I don’t believe in trends as much as I like to create a timeless experience. There are certain trends that come back and back all over again, and that’s a good thing. It’s like the same reason we’ve always had a chicken dish, a steak, and a fish. Certain things to ground yourself in a restaurant. Of course. We’ve had different chefs. Jeremy obviously is a genius when it comes to the way he works with things. And he took Jeremy’s inventive, imaginative cooking to another level because that’s really at the core of his passion for cooking. We’ve gone through times where we’ve introduced different aspects in it, but it’s always been let’s still ground in these timeless qualities of what a neighborhood restaurant is and should be. The ability to be both timeless, but then also embrace the new types of dishes is such a tricky balance. You’ve had customers that have been regulars from day one, but you always need to be open to getting new people in as neighborhoods, as tastes change. How do you strike that balance? Making sure there’s always room for the people who have supported you versus bringing in new people to experience what you’re doing. It’s about me trusting my intuition and me making sure our chefs trust their intuitions. Not feeling married to too much of a format. I remember reading this great book about truth, and it was there is truth, but it’s not always the same. Yes. There’s truth in every moment that changes and evolves depending on how things evolve naturally. That’s a good barometer. If we were successful under Evan cooking this beautiful Italian food, then all of a sudden Jeremy comes in and we create a restaurant where it’s supposed to evolve and change with the chefs. We’re saying, hey, you need to cook his food. It just dies. We’ve had that with dishes from the very beginning. Zoe started six months in. We had this one dessert. People loved it. Roxana Jullapat had created it because she was our opening consulting pastry chef. It was a rocky road bread pudding. It was decadent and had melted marshmallow and all these things on there. My mom loved it too. She still laments for it. We weren’t even supposed to have a pastry chef, and all of a sudden Zoe cooked for us, and it was incredible. I was like, oh my God, your stuff is so beautiful. Initially, I was like, we’ll keep the bread pudding for a little while. Then as soon as she started, I was like, it’s so weird for you to cook someone else’s bread pudding. Same thing happened with Jeremy and with the burger. We kept it for a little while. That was really Evan’s burger, and it fit a different time at Rustic, and it wasn’t the same. There were just so many different dishes that at the time, you’re like, we’re never taking this off the menu. Then all of a sudden, the menu changes, and you’re like, oh, it really feels weird to leave it on there. It’s walking that balance, trusting intuition along the way. Trusting that intuition, being open, and keeping the doors open are some of the reasons why when people look at examples of restaurants that have stood the test of time in the restaurant business, they look to Rustic Canyon, which is why I’m so excited for you to share your five rules for longevity in restaurants. Yeah, cool. Rule One: Focus on Quality For everything to change, for everything to evolve, for you to feel flexible in going in different directions as tastes evolve, having this fundamental allows you to feel that you can take those risks and makes up your rule number one. A hundred percent. Rule number one is about quality. That’s always been a non-negotiable for us. Everything has to be the best possible quality, the most thoughtfully curated version of that. It’s really easy when you’re working with farmers. There’s zero steps of separation between you and the process. Quality is the building block for everything. It is ingredients, but if you hire a good person, and that person might not be as well trained, but you can train them. Yeah. That’s a better hire than somebody who’s got a ton of experience, but is unreliable, untrustworthy. Quality will show. A good piece of fish ideally is perfectly executed, but if it’s not, you still taste it. Yeah. And a bad piece, you have to go do a lot of stuff to obscure what is wrong with it. Rule Two: Keep It Fun Knowing that you’re always going to get a good meal at Rustic is why people keep coming back, but also the atmosphere and the vibe that just welcomes you each time you show up and is the fundamental part of your rule number two. Rule number two is keep it fun. And we all know that feeling. When you walk into a restaurant and the staff is happy to be there, even if it’s a closed kitchen, you can tell by the way the plates come out that people are enjoying and taking pride

    Josh Loeb's Five Rules for Longevity in Restaurants
  3. Oct 5

    Liz Alpern's Five Rules for Nourishing a Crowd with Soup

    “I started Queer Soup Night because the things I knew how to do were make a lot of food and throw a party.” - Liz Alpern Liz Alpern knows how to feed people and give them a reason to come together. The creator of Queer Soup Night joins me to share her Five Rules for Nourishing a Crowd with Soup, from thinking through where people will eat to keeping things simple with a little flair. We get into the resourcefulness behind a great pot of soup, the power of showing up for your community, and why making a shopping list can be its own act of self-preservation. With her forthcoming Queer Soup Night cookbook arriving in January 2027 and now available for pre-order, Liz shares an approach to hospitality and activism that starts with the skills you already have. Liz and I say “soup” 51 times in this episode, which feels like an appropriate level of enthusiasm. I love how deeply she cares about soup and how that passion carries into her activism and the community she’s built around feeding people. She thinks about everything from what’s in the pot to whether someone walking through the door will feel comfortable, welcome, and cared for. Her rule about starting with what you know really stays with me: Liz knew how to cook and throw a party, and she put those skills to work bringing people together when they needed it. Introduction Hello, and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. Today, I’m joined by the creator of Queer Soup Night, Liz Alpern, whose new book, Queer Soup Night, the cookbook, Over 50 Ways to Activate Community, will be available everywhere January 2027. She’s here to share her five rules for nourishing a crowd with soup. She talks about the importance of understanding where the crowd will be eating, how despite best efforts, you can’t make everyone happy, and that it’s always great to keep it simple, but add a little flair. It’s a great conversation for anyone interested in upping their soup game, but also understanding how to feed people and create community around activism. When you have a moment, please subscribe and rate this podcast. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Liz, so nice to meet you. Thank you for taking the time. I’m so excited to talk to you about Queer Soup Night and the new book. Welcome to the show. Thank you. I’m so glad to be here. Soup Community and Activism There are so many dishes that exist in almost every culture. Bread, noodles, but almost none as prevalent as soup. Yes. What is it about this dish that connects people all over the world? Oh, I could talk about this all day. A few things come to mind for me. At the heart of soup is resourcefulness. Whatever you got, you can turn it into soup. My ancestors in Eastern Europe were able to pull together a few scraps of chicken, a half an onion, and a crusty carrot and turn it into something. When you’re talking about the way that ancestral cuisine developed, we’re talking about cultures that were resourceful, that didn’t have grocery stores, that didn’t have refrigerators. Every culture around the world developed in this way. So every culture around the world developed a resourcefulness and soup is it. You can get so much out of so little. I love soup. I love how democratized it can be. I have always believed that food is and should be political and stand for something. What drove you to bring together community, activism, and soup? I have always been a passionate soup lover, if you can’t already tell from the way I speak lovingly about soup. Always dreamed of feeding everybody soup. So much of what I love about soup is the abundance. You can just picture that giant pot of soup. I always envisioned serving my friends and community that soup and certainly did in my own home. I always wanted to make it bigger. It wasn’t until the first election of Trump that I felt propelled to take some initiative and do something different. A lot of people were looking for ways to get more involved in some of the resistance work that was happening. I felt like this was an amazing opportunity for me to feed people that I’d always wanted to. It turned out that people wanted the soup. I love how you’ve brought people together all over the country and that these voices are represented in your new book, Queer Soup Night, which is part cookbook, part manifesto, part activism guide. You got it. Why did you want to bring all these elements together in this book? We have been throwing this party, Queer Soup Night, since 2017. Our 10-year anniversary was coming up. Congratulations. Thank you. It felt important to me at that time to mark this moment of having really committed to this model and seeing it grow for all this time. Simultaneously feeling like the world does not feel safer. The world does not feel more comfortable for queer people. If anything, we are in way more dire straits or in a space of alarm. We throw events all over the country. We have chapters all over the country, but that doesn’t mean we have chapters everywhere. At any given time, we maybe have around a dozen chapters that are actively throwing events, anywhere from New Mexico to Brooklyn to Oakland to Chicago. But there are so many places where Queer Soup Night hasn’t happened yet. People hear about us. They follow us. They reach out to us. We wanted to find a way to give a little of that magic, a little bit of that fire that Queer Soup Night gives you, and that nourishment that Queer Soup Night gives you to places that we hadn’t been yet. A book just felt like such a natural place to go with that impulse. We had hundreds and hundreds of chefs cook for us. There were so many good recipes. We have 51 soup recipes plus much more content. But the 51 recipes, each recipe is from a chef who has cooked for us before, and it tells often the story of what’s meaningful and important to them. Often it was a recipe that they cooked for a Queer Soup Night event. It’s just a snippet, but we really wanted to find a way to bring Queer Soup Night to a lot more people and a lot more homes and a lot more places. I love how you’ve brought together this messaging, showing people how to bring together people over soup, community, and support, which is why I’m so excited for you to share your five rules for nourishing a crowd in soup. That’s right. Rule One: Consider Where Your Crowd Will Be Eating For anyone who’s been politically active or activated in the last decade, they know that the fight is everywhere. Your first rule talks about what it means to go to where you need to take care of people. What’s your rule number one? Rule number one is consider where your crowd will be eating. We’re talking about soup, so it has some logistical challenges. We really love feeding people in public spaces that are easily accessible. Queer Soup Night has our own rule internally, where we say we like to be in bars, restaurants, parks, outside, anywhere that somebody could spontaneously show up. Actually, when you’re feeding a crowd, the where matters because you need to figure out, are people going to need seats? Are they going to be comfortable? We want to bring hospitality to our nourishment. When we nourish people, it’s not just about food. It’s about the environment. The where of it all is also about saying, hey, are people going to be able to find it? Are they comfortable when they get their soup? How are we going to serve the soup? Where are we going? Where are we getting the soup? Do they have a spoon, napkin, garbage? As a hospitality person, I’m just all about it. Rule Two: Keep It Simple but Add a Little Bit of Flair When people make soup, especially for the first time, they think it’s a kitchen sink, empty the fridge type of endeavor. Your second rule talks about keeping focus and keeping this in mind when making soup. What’s your rule number two? Rule number two is keep it simple, but add a little bit of flair. Love it. I am a big proponent of don’t go overboard when you’re making soup. This is soup, folks. You know what people want when they want soup? They want comfort. So you don’t need to make a soup with 16 garnishes and a foam on top. No. You need it to be simple, nourishing, and taste really good. However, a little bit of flair goes a long way. If you’re making a simple lentil coconut curry soup, the soup of vegan homes everywhere, that one of the first things I certainly learned to make when I was cooking on my own, add a garnish. Add some toasted seeds with some spice. Add a crostini that you’ve made, that drizzle of olive oil. Add some fresh herbs. Give it something to make it feel special while staying nourishing. Rule Three: You Cant Make Everyone Happy but You Can Aim for 90 Percent When you’re serving a lot of people, as soup is one of the great meals that you can stretch. That’s right. There’s a lot of spoons going in. Yep. But that doesn’t mean that everyone’s going to enjoy it, and it ties directly into your rule number three. My rule number three is you can’t make everyone happy, but you can aim for 90%. And I think you should aim for 90% happiness. When you serve food to people, when you’re in the hospitality industry, when you’re a chef, you are constantly going to get feedback. You’re going to get critiques, and you’re also going to get questions. Yeah. Does this have onions? Does this have garlic? Does this have peanuts? Does this have dairy? Does this have soy? You should be keeping in mind who your crowd is and how you can make them happy, but know that probably about 10% of the people will have some allergy you can’t please. 10% of the people just might not like cumin, and that’s okay. Look, aim for 100. Yeah. When I’m serving people, I know that it might happen that there’s still somebody who doesn’t like what I made, even if I made something really good. It’s just about peace of mind. It’s about saying it’s ok

    Liz Alpern's Five Rules for Nourishing a Crowd with Soup
  4. Sep 28

    Julia Sherman's Five Rules for Making a Better Salad

    “Touch everything when you’re at the market. It’s OK if you look weird sticking your nose in bunches of this or that. You’ll look like a pro to anybody who knows what they’re doing.” - Julia Sherman Julia Sherman, artist, author, and creative force behind Salad for President, joins me to share her Five Rules for Making a Better Salad. We talk about finding joy in the process, cooking with all your senses, checking your ego, and finding fresh inspiration at the market. Julia also makes the case for giving dressing its due—and for making a salad you’re genuinely excited to eat. I love salad, and I love that Julia is on a mission to help everyone make better ones. She sees a bowl of vegetables as a chance to play with color, crunch, flavor, and whatever looks good at the market. By the end of our conversation, I wanted to get into the kitchen and make my one reliable salad twelve different ways. Introduction Hello and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. Today, I sit down with chef, artist and author Julia Sherman, whose new dressing mixes salad for president is available everywhere. She’s here to share her five rules to make a better salad. She talks about the importance of cooking with all of your senses, how to nurture your inner shopaholic, and that by using the freshest produce leads to the best results. It’s a fantastic conversation for anyone looking to up their salad game with tips from the master who makes every bowl beautiful. Please take a moment to subscribe and rate this podcast. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Julia, always a pleasure when I get to see you, and I get to chat. Loving Salad I know you have a lot on your plate right now. Thank you for making the time. Of course. My favorite thing to do is to talk, so... You literally wrote one of the books on salad. What do you love and what have you always loved about this type of dish? I’ve loved salad since I was a little kid, which was strange then. My love of salad is layered. I’m a passionate gardener. I’m fascinated by plants, produce. Salad to me is such a direct way to work with that material. It’s really about honoring the ingredients. It’s about not doing too much to them, really building a dish around produce. One side of it is aesthetics. It’s really about composition. It’s about color, what plate you use. The last thing was really that I used it as a foil to start conversations with artists. I wanted to be setting myself up for a life where I was cooking with artists and facilitating conversation and how could I do that in a way that didn’t feel intimidating? Everybody has a salad that they make. Even the simplest salads are exceptional. I found that salad was a thing that I could use to get my foot in the door with artists by saying, would you make me a salad? When they would say that that was an unusual request and they were a little befuddled, I would be able to explain to them salad can be conceptual, a salad can be putting things together in a way that’s about contrast and juxtaposition. Maybe it’s not even edible. It was this really open ended prompt that did loop back to the way that I prefer to eat, but was also a framework for a conversation. I feel like salads have been in the conversation so much these days. Salad Trends I rarely go out to eat or even have a meal or salad isn’t a big part of it. Why do you think salads are trending right now? If I’m going to be idealistic, it’s because people are awakening themselves to the greater world of fruits and vegetables and that the monocultures that we’ve all been living in are depressing and uninspiring as more and more people shop the farmer’s market and even what you see the farmers are offering has changed so much. It’s sort of a status symbol to know your fruits and veggies to start to have more of a specific grasp on what the full spectrum is that’s out there. Salad for President, Dressing For You You’ve been such a good guide and teacher, both in your cookbooks, through your social video content. And now you’ve gone as far as creating your own line of instant dressings, also titled Salad for President. What inspired you to bring the flavors you love directly into people’s kitchens? Over time, I’ve been making salads under the moniker Salad for President for over 10 years now. The amount of times that I’ve heard people complain about making dressing, it’s a pain point. Sure. One of the things I love about cooking is that you don’t need a lot of pre-made stuff. But I do think that if the grand ambition is to get people to eat more salad, eat healthier and cook at home, if there are parts of that process that are daunting that somebody just hates doing and I can help with that, then that felt really exciting. I love it. Dressing needs to be fun and dressing can give your entire meal a personality. Most people, when they’re making dinner, throw together the salad at the end, everything’s hot and it’s on the table and they’re like, shit, I don’t have a dressing. It’s an afterthought. The dressings, just to explain the format, is they’re powdered. It’s a play or an update on an old fashioned form factor. The idea is that you make your dressing fresh every time you make it with fresh lemon juice and some olive oil, the powder, and you shake it up. It emulsifies. I just really want people to cook. I don’t understand why people eat every day. When people tell me they don’t cook, I want a diary of what do you eat every day? It blows my mind. If people could find a little bit of joy in the process of cooking and felt good about their vegetables, it would make a huge difference. If you have something that you can follow to a T and it’s foolproof and you make that 10 times and then maybe you start to get the confidence to play with it, add a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Suddenly you got a little bit of salad pride. I love how passionate you are about salad and it can be very, very infectious. The fact that you’ve really mastered not just one, but many salads makes me so excited for you to share your five rules to make a better salad. And I think before I felt comfortable with making what I consider my one and only salad, which I feel very dialed in about just one, just one, but part of it is that I look forward to making it and the steps that go into it, which makes it be rule number one. Rule 1: Love the Process All right. Rule number one is love the process. Yes. As I get older, I’m more and more confident in my identity as a process oriented person. It’s great. I love making things. If you don’t enjoy the process, it’s really, really hard to end up with a good result when you’re cooking. And I feel like I just had the best education in this, in opening a restaurant and watching people in the kitchen making my recipes, which were written down to the gram for every single ingredient, and then watching somebody make it who doesn’t really care, doesn’t have a connection to it, is crazy. It’s such a cheesy trope. Love is an important ingredient, but you have to feel it. When I was drawn to salad originally as a platform, it’s one of the things that a lot of people have one recipe that they’re like, I got this nailed. Yeah. And if that’s the thing you love, lean into it, iterate on it, make it 12 different ways. Figure out what you actually enjoy making and then explore that. You don’t have to reinvent the wheel. Classic salads are classic for a reason. They’re f*****g awesome. One of the things that I’ve come to realize about salad, even the most simplest ones are complicated, which can be intimidating, but if you cook with all of these, it’ll help you make a better salad. Rule 2: Cook With All Your Senses What’s your rule number two? Rule number two is to cook with all your senses. When I’m home by myself, I will do what every normal person does. I eat my dinner out of a mixing bowl and it does not taste good. You put that same thing on a plate and you treat it nice. It’s going to taste a lot better. The thing that I love about salad is that it is all about all your senses. You’ve got color, which is huge. You’re making a potato salad. Why do just white potatoes if it’s going to be all white with the dressing? Add some purple potatoes, add some pink potatoes. Think about color. Texture is really a much overlooked component. I worked at Chopped for five years, a creative director, and did a lot of work on their culinary team. I learned so much about the importance of crunch. We think about this with our snack food. The crunch is addictive. In a salad, it really drives the next bite. Smell. Don’t just think about what you think might taste good together, but think about two things that smell good together. Touch everything when you’re at the market. It’s OK if you look weird sticking your nose in bunches of this or that. You’ll look like a pro to anybody who knows what they’re doing. A good salad never fails to impress. I can understand that when people get in the kitchen and they want to serve something, especially if they’re going really big with a protein, they want the salad to match that level. That being said, there is nothing wrong with making a well-known, well-loved salad if you check this. Rule 3: Check Your Ego What’s your rule number three? Check your ego. This is something I really tried to keep in the forefront of my mind when I was working on the restaurant menu. Cookbooks, too. Yes. When writing cookbooks, there’s a point, if you’ve worked on it for too long, where you start to just get weird. Yes. To get back to the things that actually taste good. No one wants to eat your ego. And you feel that when you go to restaurants. You can feel when the person’s just up in their head, not connected to what people actually want to eat. For me, with a background as

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  5. Sep 21

    Dale Talde's Five Rules for Staying in the Game

    “It starts with finding the best and then figuring out how to do it consistently.” - Dale Talde Dale Talde, co-founder and executive chef of Food Crush Hospitality, stops by to share his Five Rules for Staying in the Game. We talk about knowing what you do best, hiring talented people without giving away your equity, and why your next great opportunity may already be sitting in your inbox. Dale explains why the best product has to come before the business model, and how accepting eighty-five percent can make room for a family, a community, and the next project. It is a conversation about failure, longevity, and continuing to stand back up, with a little walk through our shared years in Brooklyn along the way. Dale is one of the people from the food world I have known the longest, and over the years we have been through a good amount together. We have watched restaurants open and close, projects come together and fall apart, and both of us keep finding the next reason to get back in the game. There is a particular kind of friendship that comes from knowing someone across that much time, through the wins as well as the moments nobody posts about. Staying in the game for a long time is something we both take pride in, and I am grateful that after all these years, we are still here, still creating, and still cheering each other on. Introduction Hello and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. I’m always excited when I get to sit down with today’s guest, Dale Talde, who is the co-founder and executive chef of Food Crush Hospitality. He’s here to share his five rules for staying in the game. He talks about the importance of delegating and not giving up equity, how your next project can already be sitting in your inbox, and how 85% is the key number to long-term success. It’s a great conversation and a little bit of a walk down memory lane as we talk about our time in Brooklyn and how Dale has stayed in the game for so long. Please take a moment to subscribe and rate this podcast on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you listen. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Dale, my brother, so good to see you. Dale’s Salad Days You’re looking stylish as ever. Thanks for making the time to stop by the show. Of course, brother. You know, we go so far back. Anything for you. I owe so much to our friendship, always a legacy. Speaking about going far back, you’ve been cooking for decades now. What do you remember from your salad days on the line that still rings true today? Coming to work stoned is a terrible idea, especially when you’re not very good. Absolutely. When you are starting off in this game, especially if you’re not the best cook and you’re still learning, come with a clear mind. Don’t party the night before. Take all that stuff very seriously. In our industry, we work hard and want to live hard too and party hard. But when I was a really young kid, I was really immature and I was just showing up to work. All the young culinarians out there come clear minded and even business owners. They see a lot of guys are just like, I’m going to live my life. And if I’m going to smoke a joint at noon and show up to work at two, how good of a boss are you going to be? Taking Risks Taking those risks, not taking it as seriously as you could in the early parts and even the middle parts of your career, did you ever feel like you were in jeopardy of getting bounced out of cooking professionally? A hundred percent. I worried about my job every single day that I showed up for work. There is an edge to a lot of great business owners and restaurateurs where they keep that edge. It could fall apart at any moment now, and I could be left with nothing. The ones that keep that edge oftentimes are really successful. With that edge comes a lot of neuroses. There’s a neuroticness about them at work that could be good or bad, how they channel that energy. When you have in your head that this can all go away at any moment now, you push. Pushing in a really positive thing in our world. Longevity Daily With your hospitality group, Food Crush Hospitality, and your restaurant Goosefeather, and everything else that you’re working on, how do you implement the idea of longevity in what you do on a day-to-day basis? I have this approach that I took from a mentor of mine, Stephen Starr. If it’s not broke, do not fix it. It pertains to a lot of the staff, how you manage staffing, how you manage your executive chef, your director of operations. With that, you have to constantly communicate with them about what is working, what’s not working. With them, you put them in a position to succeed, and it is succeeding. Don’t fiddle with it too much. It gives them this lack of consistency that a team really needs. Finding your footing and being consistent has been a trademark of your career. Rule One: Don’t Give Up Equity Being able to be in the culinary world for so long is so inspiring, which is why I’m so excited for you to share your five rules for staying in the game. When working with others, being part of a team, you need to really understand your position and the position and skills of the other people that you’re working with, which makes up your rule number one. Rule number one is don’t give up equity for jobs that you’re not the best at. There’s always someone who can do that job that you’re not great at. And you don’t have to give up any piece of your pie. You just pay them a really nice salary. When I left my last restaurant group, I went off on my own and I was just limbo. I had took a meeting with John Meadow, who is LDV Hospitality. I was like, John, this is kind of where I’m at. Thinking about actually going back to school. And yeah, I know you went to Cornell. The other side of this business, I’m not great at. The business side, the front of the house, wine, all that other stuff. He paused me and we’re having coffee. He goes, Gil, are you crazy? I go, why? He goes, you have the sauce that we are all looking for. Hire every other position. If you’re not a good business development person for looking at the project, you hire somebody for that. Do not dilute your ownership in any of this. When you start diluting all that, that’s when there’s too many cooks in the kitchen and that sauce just gets muddled. That ragu that you have starts to fade away. Sometimes the sauce breaks. Rule Two: Stand Up Strong Sometimes the sauce burns. A lot of times today, especially when you’re looking at social media, it looks like no one ever fails, but failure, bankruptcy, bottom of the barrel, which I’ve been at a couple of times is a big part of rule number two. When you get knocked down, but that’s not it. It is when you get knocked down in hospitality, you standing up for your next project is the most important. You’ll see a lot of people who will wallow in their sorrows. I’ll always be, or be embarrassed about closing a restaurant. It kind of mirrors a lot of entertainment industry. Not every show you make is a hit. Matter of fact, most of the shows you make are not going to hit. Most of the restaurants you make are not going to be hit. 1% of the restaurateurs who are those hit makers. That’s why they are who they are. Stephen Starr, Danny Meyer, the major food group guys. They’ve all closed restaurants too. How they deal with that closure. For me, it’s so hard to call them failure. You’ve still created something. 95% of the world will never know what it’s like to create like that. Never. Never. Being able to create something and having the opportunity are really unique and special things. Rule Three: Your Next Project is in Your Inbox Sometimes the hardest part about that is finding the next idea, finding the new project, finding a starting point on what is relatively a blank piece of paper. Looking through this is a good place to find that next big thing. What’s your rule number three? Rule number three is, you know, when you’re looking for your next opportunity, start digging through email. Yeah. That’s how I found Goosefeather. You look at opportunities that maybe at that point in time of your life, it was not a fit, but now it is a fit. I found my partners at Goosefeather because I had looked at that property probably a year and a half prior with my former partner and said, Hey, this isn’t the right fit for us right now. Yeah. I took a look back at that project solo. I was like, this is my jump off. I live in the Burbs now. I’m not commuting to the city. This is a community that needs something different. I get to keep all of it. I jumped on the project and said, it’s now seven years later. James Beard recognition, Esquire magazine’s best new restaurant, multiple local restaurant, best restaurant award, Michelin recognition. When you are looking for, Oh my God, we need servers. We need cooks. We need a manager. Look internally first, because the answer is oftentimes within the four walls of where you are. If you just act around the community that you’re in, people are gonna be like, I have a friend that needs a job. I worked at this restaurant. He just hit me up. The chef is leaving. He hit me up and he’s a great chef and interview. That’s what I mean by looking at your inbox. It’s a literal, but also figuratively look within your inbox or your close connections. Don’t be afraid to be asked your network. Okay. I’m looking for our next opportunity. If anyone knows anybody who needs F&B it might be not the right project for that person, but they might pass it off to you and it might be the perfect project for you at the time. That balance of finding the right project for you at the right time. What is speaking to creatively is always in juxtaposition with the money and the budget and the cost and the revenue of everything. Rule Four: Start with The Best Your fourth rule talks about finding the right type

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  6. Sep 14

    Dave Beran's Five Rules for Finding Your Culinary Voice

    "Great risk, great reward, great failure, but great reward." - Dave Beran James Beard Award–winning chef Dave Beran, the chef and owner of pasjoli and Seline in Santa Monica, joins me to share his Five Rules for Finding Your Culinary Voice. We talk about the importance of self-awareness, learning how to accept the hard truth, and surrounding yourself with people who believe in you enough to tell you what you need to hear. Dave also explains why defining your identity gives you the foundation to take bigger risks—and why confidence sometimes has to arrive before certainty. Together, his rules offer an honest look at the long, complicated, and deeply personal process of discovering who you are through the work you make. What I love about Dave is his continued effort to refine his voice, even after the awards, the acclaimed restaurants, and all the proof that he could simply keep doing what already works. He remains willing to question himself, listen to hard truths, and keep editing until the food feels completely his own. Finding your voice is not a single revelation; it is a lifelong process of paying attention, taking risks, and having the confidence to change when something no longer feels true. Watching Dave continue to do that work reminds me that mastery is not about reaching a final destination—it is about caring enough to keep searching. Introduction Hello and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I'm your host, Darin Bresnitz. Today, I sit down with Dave Beran, the chef and owner of pasjoli and Seline here in Santa Monica. He is the recent recipient of Best Chef: California from the James Beard Awards and is here to share his five rules for finding your culinary voice. He talks about the importance of self-awareness, being able to define your identity, and having the confidence to take risks. It is a great conversation for those starting their culinary journey and those looking to refine their cuisine as they move through their career. If you have a moment, please subscribe and rate this podcast wherever you listen. So, let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Finding a Culinary Voice Dave, always a pleasure to see you. Congratulations on everything. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Great to be here. Going back to that first restaurant job you had in Bay Harbor, Michigan, at Latitude, did you have an idea of the chef you wanted to be, and has anything stuck from that time? No, I had no idea. Latitude was cool. That was a fun summer job. I’d just eaten at a couple Chicago restaurants with my dad. Went there and I saw this, like, cool, fancy restaurant that seemed fun. Sure. Started cooking there. I was 19. I just thought it was neat. It was artistic. The food tasted good and everyone who worked there was cool. Yeah. This is a fun place to be. I didn’t know. I had no idea. Chicago is where you made your bones, and you worked at some of the most legendary restaurants, like Tru and Alinea. Now you have your own spots like pasjoli and Seline. What was the moment when your culinary voice started to coalesce? There’s been several points. For me, it’s been a moving target. There’s been a lot of times where I’m like, “Oh, this is me. Oh, now this is me.” Sure. As of recently, it’s the most confident I’ve been in what I’m trying to do. It’s very much ebbed and flowed. At Alinea, there was a point where I would say a quarter to a third of the dishes on the menu were things I’d created. It’s incredible. I thought they were mine. The bubblegum dish at Alinea was a very famous dish. In hindsight, yes, that was my dish, but that dish doesn’t exist without Grant Achatz and Alinea, for that matter. I was very good at doing what I could do through his lens and accentuating his own thought process and, frankly, helping to evolve the thing that he’d created. I get to Next and it’s all new. I hit a window of three menus—Hunt, Vegan, and Kaiseki—where I felt like this was my food. This was my style of menu. Now I look at some of those dishes in hindsight and I think it’s not so much that I had an identity as much as that’s when I felt most confident. They’d created a foundation for me to be creative. That was a framework. I was creating within that framework. I was very quickly reminded that it was not mine when we switched to Steakhouse. Suddenly, I was making a steakhouse menu, and the internal fights around that menu and the personal struggles that I had of, “I’m not going to do a four-course with à la carte,” and ego gets in the way. I realized that my creative evolution was ultimately going to do a disservice to that restaurant because the more in tune with what I was doing, the more in tune with myself and my desires, the more I was moving away from the philosophy of a restaurant that always changed. Then I get to Dialogue, and my food is the self-discovery of, well, what’s really mine and what’s not Alinea and what’s not Next. At the time, I thought it was awesome, but now I look back at it and I’m like, sometimes I look at dishes and I’m like, I just served five dishes that are identical. Here’s a purée with a sauce, with a dollop of something, with this. It was still just an unedited mess. Recognition and Self-Discovery You’ve edited with your new restaurants. You were recently awarded one of the top accolades with the James Beard Awards for Best Chef: California, and not that they’re the end-all, be-all, but feeling that you are the most confident that you have been in your career right now, what does it mean to be recognized? In 2014, I won the same award for Great Lakes. I got Food & Wine Best New Chef, Jean Banchet Awards for Chicago. I won all those that year, too. It was like Avengers, right? Collecting all the rings. At the time, I was king of the world. You couldn’t feed the ego more. It hit a point where it was just expected, like, “Oh, there’s another award and we’re not nominated? Come on, they messed up.” I just took it all for granted. Twelve years later, you get that long-list nomination. LA has not been an easy city. No. Since my time here, we’ve had multiple fires, strikes, protests. COVID. Pretty much every year, a quarter of the year is destroyed. You start to feel like a beaten dog after a while. When we saw that there was a Beard nomination for the long list, I was like, “No way.” You feel forgotten. Then we made the short list. Seline opening was very, very difficult. The restaurant was super confused when it opened. I was confused. I knew what it didn’t want to be, but I didn’t know what it was supposed to be. We were limping along. I hit this really dark point about six to eight months into being open. We’d talked about, “Is this restaurant going to stay open?” Grant Achatz’s wife, Sam, became this major focal point for me as far as helping me understand my own identity. She was just like, “I’d love to help you and tell people about your restaurant, help you get people in, but what’s your restaurant?” It was one of those conversations where I was like, “Well, you’ve been. It’s like this, and I’m like that, and you know my history.” And she’s like, “You can’t say it in a sentence. You don’t know what your restaurant is.” One hundred percent. “No one can talk about it. If they can’t talk about it, they can’t tell their friends to go. No one will ever go because no one will ever understand it, because they can’t digest this concept in a single sentence.” That was like getting hit with lightning. It’s a great lesson. Coming out of that, getting these accolades, it wasn’t about me anymore. It was about the team and the business and knowing that everyone who stuck with us when there were nights when we had four covers—to look around at all of them and say, “Hey, we’ve found our way.” This last year has changed my entire perspective on my self-awareness. It’s no longer the ego. I’d love to say I don’t care about them, but I care about them for very, very different reasons than I used to. The fact that you’ve had such a long journey, both in the kitchen and through personal discovery, makes me so excited for you to share your five rules for finding your culinary voice. You don’t get to where you are without cooking for other people, but then also looking inward, which ties directly into your rule number one. Rule One: Self-Awareness Self-awareness. You’ve got to know who you are. You’ve got to know who you want to be. You’ve got to know what your values are. We talk about that so much in the restaurant. We have our goals, our values, our priorities, straight from talking about how hospitality starts from within, who we want to be, who I want to be. Is the goal to do it for me, or is the goal to do it for the industry, for the team? What is your goal? And that was probably the hardest journey over the last year. For all these years, I’d talked about who I was as a chef and as a person and as a creative. And when it came down to it, when one of my closest friends looked me in the eye and said, “Who are you?” I couldn’t answer the question. Being forced to be inside the kitchen and being forced to be out in the public means that people are going to say what they think about you and your food and your life in a way that people who have a less outward-facing existence sometimes find hard to understand. Your second rule talks about what to do when other people weigh in on your life. What’s your rule number two? Rule Two: Be Willing to Look Outside Yourself It’s the willingness to accept, look outside of yourself, and just say everything you do isn’t just for you. You hit a point of being a creative and you feel alone. “No one understands me. No one understands what I’m doing. I have to do this all by myself.” Finally, someone does offer an opinion and you don’t like it. And you’re like, “Well, the

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  7. Sep 7

    Vanya, Marc-Olivier & Jessica's Five Rules for Hosting Like a Montrealer

    "If your vibe is you got there at five, but at midnight you’re still there because you just can’t get enough, we’re definitely not gonna kick you out. We’re gonna find a way to make it all work, and that’s where the sidewalk tables get created. Always leave room for excess is something we swear by." - Vanya Filipovic Vanya Filipovic, Marc-Olivier Frappier, and Jessica Noël, the co-owners of Montreal’s beloved Mon Lapin, join me from Montreal to share their Five Rules for Hosting Like a Montrealer. We talk about making room when there is none, finding the magic in a winter storm, never underestimating the wine, loving people more than perfection, and always leaving room for excess. Their rules capture the particular generosity of Montreal hospitality: the table is crowded, the bottles keep opening, and nobody is looking at the clock. I love these people, and I love Montreal—the food, the wine, the cold, the warmth, and the way a night there can become something larger than you planned. Few places have shaped the way I think about restaurants and hospitality more deeply, and talking with Vanya, Marco, and Jessica brings all of it rushing back. This episode takes me home, to a city where there is always another chair to pull up, another glass to pour, and every good meal feels like it could last forever. Five Rules for Hosting Like a Montrealer Introduction Hello, and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. Today, I’m back in the motherland of Montreal, chatting with the co-owners of Mon Lapin, Marc-Olivier, Vanya, and Jessica, whose new cookbook, The Mon Lapin Cookbook, will be out on Phaidon this fall and is available for pre-order anywhere you can get your books. They are here to share their five rules for hosting like a Montrealer. They talk about the importance of always pulling up a chair for one more person at the table, to see the excessive cold during the winter as a positive, and to leave your watch at home when decadence is on the menu. It is a conversation that means so much to my heart and reminds me of why I love the city and the people of Montreal so much. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. Montreal, Mon Lapin, and the People Behind It Vanya, Jessica, Marco, so good to see you. I miss all of you, and I miss one of my hometowns in Montreal. Thanks for making the time, and congratulations on the book. Thank you for having us. Yeah, thank you for having us. Montreal, as you know, is one of the all-time greatest culinary cities in the world. For anyone who’s never been, what makes it so special? Montreal has a vibe. Anyone who’s come to Montreal knows it’s a mix of bitter cold winters, French-English mashup, and beautiful people who just love to go a little overboard in eating, drinking, and being out, just consumption of culture in general. There’s the classic eponymous joie de vivre that really resonates, especially if you haven’t been before. I think it’s something that jumps out at you. We love Montreal. First & Foremost, Friends You’ve all worked in the city for years together and at separate restaurants, and have now been at Mon Lapin pretty much since the very first day. How have you inspired each other? What have you learned from each other? And how has the city inspired what you do? We all became really close friends. I mean, Vanya and I are married, but before we opened, we knew Jess for a long time, but not to a level that we do now. And same thing for Marc-Antoine and Alex. It’s been very important for us before everything, before the restaurant, before the food, the wine, to really focus on the people. It’s something that people don’t talk about enough. A happy partnership and a happy co-chefing that we have, Vanya, with Alex and the wine and Marc-Antoine. I find that everything stems from that. If we’re happy, we’re getting along. That trickles down on the whole restaurant, everybody working in it through the customers. That’s the thing that we try to maintain the most. It’s like being with somebody for a long time. Some weeks we have to do nothing and everything’s good. And some weeks we have to do better. It’s normal. We’re five people. The fact that we have this solid partnership, I really find that what makes Mon Lapin the most. The Mon Lapin Cookbook I love that. I love that these are the relationships that drive you, connect you with the customers and you with each other. In The Mon Lapin Cookbook: De Toute Beauté: From Montreal, with Love, this through line of all of you being connected with each other, the farmers, the customers, is this beautiful through line for the book. Why was this the driving narrative that you want to center everything around? I think we wanted people to really feel the energy of what we do here, whether that’s through partnerships or what small things that we do every day, even within the restaurants. Showing all those things just makes that energy shine through the pages. Sure. We didn’t want to make a cookbook cookbook, just like here are the recipes of the restaurant. Of course. Everything’s online. If you want the pétoncle recipe, it’s in the book. I’m sure if you really look online, you’ll find it somewhere. Yeah. We wanted to portray the restaurant as a whole, every little aspect from the art to the wine, to the food, to the service, to the people, to the customers. I feel like there’s a lot of restaurant cookbooks. There’s a lot of influencer cookbooks. There’s a lot of 110 recipes for sandwiches. I think we did a good job at portraying the restaurant, painting a good picture of what Mon Lapin is. I think all of you are aware of my deep love of Montreal, both as a city and then as a place going out to eat. I love the hospitality that the city represents and that I always feel when I dine with you at your restaurants, which is why I’m so excited for you to share your five rules for hosting like a Montrealer. Rule One: The More the Merrier Whenever I’ve gone to eat there, what I love is how packed every place is and how there’s always an open seat for anyone who wants to join, which makes up your rule number one. Rule number one is the more the merrier. And I’m so happy you feel it personally when you come because it really is the vibe. We have a partner, Alex. He is my wingman sommelier. He is a master of making the milk crate that’s hanging in the back store into a table of six. I love it. To walk down the street and see people eating on upside down boxes with a little tablecloth over top is a very Montreal thing. We love being able to say yes even when the answer should be no. When there isn’t room, we love making room. The energy that’s going to come from it is going to be greater than anything else. Rule Two: Embrace the Winter One of the best things about the restaurants in Montreal being so warm and so welcoming is that during the cold months, of which there are many, there’s always a place to come in, feel that love, get a good bite to eat, have something great to drink. The thing that I’ve always appreciated about those who run restaurants is they never run away from the frigid temperatures, which is a big part of your rule number two. Embrace the winter. This is half of what we are and what the city is. We’re always asked, it’s going to snow today, are you open? Yes, we are. We cook a bit differently in the winter. We love to embrace it as much as possible. In the front of the house aspect, packing people in, making it warm, having the music a bit up, serving different kinds of wines. And in the kitchen side, we serve a bit heartier dishes, some preserves, some pickles from the summer, maybe a bit more meat. We’re not going to shy from it. This is what Quebec is. The embracing of the winter makes the summer and the spring so much more enjoyable when it comes. And it makes the winter this very special moment at the restaurant. Those nights where there is an actual storm outside is the most magical nights that can happen in the restaurant. It’s the best. Everybody has rosy cheeks. Everybody’s just happy to be warm. And it’s just the magic. No one’s leaving. Nobody’s leaving, yeah. No one’s like, let me go walk into the storm again. You know, all the desserts and cheese and just see if it happens three times a year. Next time you hear snowstorm in Montreal, book a table. Rule Three: Never Underestimate the Wine I was there for my bachelor party for a blizzard of Montreal. We landed and went straight to Joe Beef. Vanya welcomed us with open arms and a couple of delicious bottles, which makes up your rule number three. Never underestimate the wine is rule number three. There’s a non-pretension, amazing appreciation and just sharing of the wine. We all have our little geeky, nerdy things that we love and we love to share and talk about, but it really is just about uncorking wine and getting everybody into it. We love to exaggerate. So we’ve completely exaggerated at Mon Lapin. We have like an extremely deep cellar. The wine list is like a Bible. Yeah, it makes us so happy to be able to show up to a table carrying a bunch of bottles and letting the magic happen. Rule Four: Love People More Than Perfection Being able to let the magic happen, trusting both yourselves and everyone working at the restaurant takes a lot of years of hard work to seem so effortless. But also understanding that sometimes not everything is gonna be exactly the way that you want it, which makes up your rule number four. Our fourth rule is love people more than perfection. If we look at it in more of a food way, produce can be perfect, imperfect, and we go with it however we feel in that moment. We’re never the type of place either that’s planning out what we’re going to be doing. There’s no lab testing of whatever dish we’re gonna be putting on the menu. Oh yeah, the lab. Yeah, the famous lab. That never

    Vanya, Marc-Olivier & Jessica's Five Rules for Hosting Like a Montrealer
  8. Aug 31

    Evan Marks' Five Rules for an Abundant Life

    "All of it is inviting participation. Participation in the magic around us.” - Evan Marks If you haven’t already, please make sure to subscribe and give Five Rules for the Good Life on Spotify & Apple Podcasts. Evan Marks Evan Marks, founder and executive director of The Ecology Center, joins me to share his Five Rules for an Abundant Life. We talk about finding gratitude in the miraculous, growing your own food, taking nourishment seriously, making things with your hands, and sharing whatever you have in surplus. Together, his rules offer a thoughtful invitation to reconnect with nature, contribute to your community, and build a richer life by becoming an active participant in it. What Evan and his community have built in San Juan Capistrano is more than a regenerative organic farm. It is a living example of what becomes possible when people come together around food, nature, and a shared sense of purpose. The Ecology Center reminds us that life is not something we are meant to simply observe or consume. We have to participate—to plant something, make something, share something, and give a little of ourselves to the world around us. The more we take part in life, the more abundant it becomes. Introduction Hello and welcome to Five Rules for the Good Life. I’m your host, Darin Bresnitz. Today, I sit down with Evan Marks, the founder and executive director of The Ecology Center, a truly awe-inspiring, regenerative, organic farm, cafe, and education center located in Southern California. He’s here to share his five rules for an abundant life. He talks about the importance of participating, that making something yourself leads to a much richer life, and that the more you share with others, the more the world shares with you. This conversation offers incredible insights on a different approach to living and how, by redefining your relationship with nature, you will be able to live a much richer life. So let’s get into the rules here on HRN. The Ecology Center Evan, so nice to meet you. I’m so excited to be talking to you today about The Ecology Center. You’ve built such a beautiful space. Welcome to the show. Thank you, brother. Honored to be here. For those who might be unfamiliar with The Ecology Center, truly a unique place, can you explain its mission and its approach to food? Its mission is to shift culture. How we’ve done that so far is we’ve built an environment, an ecotopia. It’s a 28-acre ecosystem that inspires us to think and be in a different state, and that connects back to food, reminding people of the basic tenets of knowing where your food comes from and being deeply nourished, mind-body-spirit, in those endeavors of food or otherwise. As the founder, how did you take your life studies and adventures and turn it into something tangible? The Sum of a Life I like to say that we’re just all individually a sum of the parts that we’ve been paying attention to. I guess I was lucky to have good mentors, and I attuned my awareness to mostly traditional people, Indigenous cultures, and tropical environments. I just became fascinated with how humans have lived on this planet for centuries in harmony. That’s really been the design challenge: How do we take those pieces of civilization and culture and integrate them into the present and future tenets in a place unlikely like Orange County? The Principle of Participation There are a lot of tenets that make up what you’ve put together. One of the ones that really stuck out to me was this fundamental principle of participation. How do you weave this through the Center’s farm, garden, cafe, and all of its endeavors? We’re a village, so we’ve got a lot of different expressions. All of it is inviting participation. Participation in the magic around us. Participation in our food system. Participation in the joy of being on this beautiful planet. We do that through a whole myriad of programs, from farm dinners to music festivals, to yoga classes, to field trips, to cooking classes, to shopping at the cafe and eating in the farm stand. It’s a real wide aperture of offerings here, but all of it is an invitation to jump on board. I love that you’ve opened up your life in this space, showing people who are looking for a different type of living and being so generous with that, which is why I’m so excited for you to share your five rules of an abundant life. Rule One: Find Gratitude in the Miraculous In setting the foundation for this approach to living, it really comes with finding this right mindset and searching for this one thing. What’s your rule number one? So much of the magic that we’re trying to inspire is the state of being. My first rule is in the context of peace and finding gratitude in the miraculous. I love that. There’s magic everywhere, and life is precious and planet Earth is sacred. The path that I’ve found is finding deep relationship and reverence to nature. When we can do that, we learn how to fill our tanks and inspire purpose, and that motivates us to be the best version of ourselves. Rule Two: Grow Your Own and Start Small As people have experienced life and lived in our current society, there has been a real separation from understanding where food or things that come from the Earth really come from. Your second rule talks about getting back to this practice and figuring out how to make something of your own. What’s your rule number two? Yeah, my rule number two is grow your own and start small. Small-scale solutions are the path forward. That means getting good at planting a container garden of herbs and tomatoes, having potted plants in your apartment, or a lemon tree out the back door of your kitchen. These are all just simple invitations to participate in adding that magic element to every meal. Moving out to California from New York, I remember the first time I picked a lime from the tree in my backyard and the absolute beauty and magic that came from putting it in my drink. Living here now for the last 10 years, I’ve really adjusted the way that I think about the food that I cook and what I put into my body, which makes up your rule number three. Rule Three: Health Is Wealth Health is wealth. Take nourishment seriously. The path to that is knowing your farmers and getting excited about making those meaningful investments in your health and the health of your ecosystem. Go to the source: the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker. The farmer’s market is your number one stop. Rule Four: Do It Yourself Beyond just buying locally or growing your own food, there is a way that a lot of people consume now that is one and done. If it’s broke, just buy something new, or really be intimidated to practice this DIY lifestyle. Your rule number four talks about the importance of understanding how to make something for yourself. What’s your rule number four? Rule number four is do it yourself. Use your hands. Make something. That, in my context, could be making a worm bin, building raised beds in your backyard, or building a picnic table to celebrate the harvest with your children. The core of it is put your hands to work, get them away from any of the digital toxins, and move them back into planet Earth. Rule Five: Share the Surplus I know, as people look at the life in front of them, think about what they can make, what they can cook, what they can grow, and what money they have to spend, there is this concern about either not having enough or wasting things. Your fifth and final rule talks about planning for a life of abundance while considering what you can give to other people. What’s your rule number five? Rule number five is to share the surplus. That is really in the consciousness more than anything, which is the more you give, the more you get. We all want to line up to those age-old principles of leaving it better than we found it and giving more than we take. That can be volunteering a little bit of time to a meaningful cause. That could be sharing an extra lemon from your tree or donating some extra resources to an organization that you care about in your community. All of these are participatory ways of getting on board with the shift in the culture that is necessary for an abundant future for all of us. Closing Evan, congratulations on everything that you built. If people want to visit the farm, stop by the cafe, or check out the dinners you’re throwing, where can they go? How can they sign up to keep informed? Check us out online at theecologycenter.org. Most importantly, come on down. We’re in San Juan Capistrano. That’s between Los Angeles and San Diego. It’s a worthy field trip, and it’s a full day of fun here on the farm. That’s the best way to do it, is just to dive in. I can’t wait to swing down with my family someday soon. Evan, appreciate the time, and can’t wait to dine with you around your shared table. Thanks, brother. Appreciate the opportunity to share. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    Evan Marks' Five Rules for an Abundant Life

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The best advice usually comes from someone who learned it by living it. On Five Rules for the Good Life, I sit down with my favorite people from the culinary community and ask them to share five rules on something they know inside and out. Each episode gets straight to the good stuff: the habits, opinions, and little revelations that come from years of doing the work. Short conversations with plenty to chew on, and something you can bring into your own life at the dinner table and beyond.  The Guests Chefs, restaurateurs, writers, bakers, artists, and the people who make food culture worth caring about. Some you already love; others you’ll be very happy to meet. All have a perspective worth learning from. fiverules.substack.com

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