AI Real Talk: The Curiosity Connection

Matt Karabinos

Matt Karabinos hosts discussions that focus on one of the most important traits we have in the AI age: curiosity. He leans into his own curiosity for how AI is changing, reshaping, and challenging what we know about education as we know it. Hearing from guests in education, artificial intelligence, and everywhere in between, learn why curiosity is our superpower in this age of AI in education. Let's see what connections we can make with your curiosity!

  1. 5d ago ·  Video

    The Education System is 100% Dead. Here's What Comes Next... ft. Amirah Cummings

    What if curiosity, not content, is the most important skill we can teach kids? In this episode of Real Talk: The Curiosity Connection, host Matt Karabinos sits down with Amirah Cummings, founder of KIO (Kids in Orbit), to explore how AI is unlimiting education, why the traditional school system is 100% obsolete, and what it truly means to become a self-driven learner. Amirah is a former software engineer turned educator whose work spans multilingual Montessori schooling, mission-based learning, and an entire ecosystem designed to turn kids into "Kionauts"—curious, compassionate explorers of Earth and the cosmos.  At a time when AI is "making learning infinite" and "unlimiting" students' potential, the real mission of education comes into question. Listen to the whole episode for some memorable hot takes about education and what we can do instead.  In this episode, you'll learn: Why curiosity disappears around 3rd grade, and what we can do about itHow AI makes learning infinite (and what that really means for classrooms)Why Amirah believes the traditional education system is 100% deadThe difference between motivated learners and self-driven learnersHow mission-based learning replaces outdated standards and metricsWhy millennials are uniquely positioned to lead the future of educationWhat "the new literacy" really looks like in an AI-powered worldHow to develop curiosity in kids — and adults — starting with one question: "Why?" Connect with Amirah Cummings: Amirah Cummings's LinkedInKIO LearningKionautConnect with Matt & the Show: Show: AI Real Talk: The Curiosity ConnectionMatt Karabinos' LinkedIn (00:00) - Introduction (00:57) - KIO: Kids in Orbit (02:02) - The Origin of KIO (07:49) - AI and Infinite Learning (15:36) - Rethinking Education (16:12) - Amirah's Personal Journey (23:14) - Student-Centered Learning & AI (35:50) - The Future of Education & AI (42:50) - Developing Curiosity (59:21) - Closing: What Are You Most Curious About? We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

    The Education System is 100% Dead. Here's What Comes Next... ft. Amirah Cummings
  2. 6d ago

    ISTE 2026: Start a Conversation, Not an Accusation with Mike Lawrence

    In this episode recorded at ISTE 2026, Jethro Jones talks with Mike Lawrence. Mike shares how his school district built a culture of AI transparency using disclosure badges instead of bans, why teachers need to model the same openness they expect from students, and what's next as schools cautiously explore AI agents. We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

  3. Jul 18 ·  Video

    Doan Winkel: Building Friction, Autonomy, and Design with AI

    Building Friction, Autonomy, and Design with AI | Doan Winkel What if the best thing AI can do for students is refuse to help them? Matt sits down with entrepreneur and educator Doan Winkel to dig into why "helpful AI" might be the worst thing to happen to learning and what to do instead. In this episode: The philosophy behind AI Friction Labs and why deliberately frustrating students might be the most effective teaching tool yetWhy Doan thinks the "easy button" problem isn't really an AI problemThe ungrading experiment that revealed something startling: students aren't cheating at teachers. Teachers never even cross their minds.How one small prompt change turned a skeptical lawyer into an AI evangelist overnightWhy the most resistant person in the room might be exactly who you need on your AI committeeThe inertia problem: education hasn't fundamentally changed in decades. Will AI finally be the thing that breaks it?Doan's take on student autonomy, and the uncomfortable question he ends with that has no clean answer Chapters: 0:00 Introduction & Guest Welcome1:04 What Is AI Friction Labs?5:01 The Sparring Partner Concept & Mike Kentz5:43 Student Autonomy vs. the Easy Button7:39 The Ungrading Experiment & AI Cheating Reality14:54 Teacher Risk-Taking & Finding the Opening15:56 AI in Rural Schools & Learning from Others' Mistakes25:08 Designing Learning Experiences with AI31:55 Bandwidth, Training & Building Champions41:02 Curiosities: Breaking the Inertia of Education44:33 Outro & Where to Find Doan Find Doan: LinkedIn Newsletter: How to Teach AI on Substack (free, weekly, practical)Website: doanwinkel.com (00:00) - Introduction & Guest Welcome (01:03) - What Is AI Friction Labs? (05:01) - The Sparring Partner Concept & Mike Kentz (05:43) - Student Autonomy vs. Easy Button AI (07:39) - The Ungrading Experiment & AI Cheating Reality (14:54) - Teacher Risk-Taking & Finding the Opening (15:56) - AI in Rural Schools & Watching Others Learn from Mistakes (25:08) - Designing Learning Experiences with AI (31:55) - Bandwidth, Training & Building Champions (41:02) - Curiosities: Breaking the Inertia of Education (44:33) - Outro & Where to Find Doan We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

    Doan Winkel: Building Friction, Autonomy, and Design with AI
  4. Jul 10 ·  Video

    Pathologically Uncurious About AI ft. Jake Rupp

    Jake Rupp teaches AP Lang and public speaking, and he built his TikTok following by breaking down rhetoric in bite-sized lessons. In this episode we get into what voice actually means, why AI-written text is so easy to spot, and why Jake has decided AI has no place in his classroom at all. Jake grades without points. He built a feedback and revision system years before AI showed up, and students are still using AI to write their own reflections on their own AI-generated work. That single fact reshapes the whole conversation. We talk about a student who told him flat out she wasn't thinking about getting caught; she just needed the assignment done. We talk about the curse of knowledge and why group work and presentations fail when we assign them without ever teaching them. And we talk about whether early AI exposure builds better judgment later or just moves the desensitization earlier. This one gets a little heated, a lot honest, and ends with Jake handing me one of the best lines I've recorded on this show. Find Jake on TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, and beyond!Connect with Matt on LinkedIn! Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 2:00 Jake's background teaching rhetoric and how his TikTok lessons grew out of the classroom 21:00 AI and student voice, the cognitive offload problem 24:00 The student who said "I wasn't thinking about you at all" 30:00 Jake's gradeless classroom and why it hasn't stopped AI misuse 36:00 The curse of knowledge and why we assign skills we never teach 41:00 Tech giants, AI in schools, and the shift from preference to reliance 50:00 The doctor question, and proving what you actually know 56:00 Gen Z, work ethic, and whether AI anxiety is about something else 1:01:00 Student disgust at AI generated feedback and Jake's non-negotiables 1:05:00 Being curious about the future, without AI 1:07:00 Wrap-up and where to find Jake We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

    Pathologically Uncurious About AI ft. Jake Rupp
  5. Jul 5 ·  Video

    Being a Cautious Advocate with Dr. Alfonso Mendoza Jr.

    What does it mean to be a "cautious advocate" in the age of AI? In this episode of Artificial Intelligence Real Talk, host Matthew sits down with Dr. Alfonso Mendoza Jr. ("Dr. Fonz"), educator, ed-tech veteran, and host of the My EdTech Life podcast, for a wide-ranging and deeply honest conversation about what it really means to bring technology into classrooms with intention. Dr. Fonz brings over a decade of experience as a digital learning coordinator, a doctoral perspective on data and ed tech policy, and a refreshing willingness to pump the brakes when everyone else is flooring it. Together, Matt and Dr. Fonz dig into the lessons learned from the early days of generative AI hype, the growing tech backlash, and what cautious advocacy actually looks like in practice. In this episode, you'll hear: How a term coined by Dr. Nneka McGee ("cautious advocate") changed the way both hosts approach AI in educationWhy the hype cycle of blockchain, NFTs, and Web3 shaped Dr. Mendoza's skepticism about generative AIWhat "data rentiership" means and why it should make every educator pause before adopting a free toolThe difference between substitution and genuine transformation in classroom technology useWhy professional development for teachers is underfunded, rushed, and often set up to failHow looking at teaching through a marketing lens can help educators actually reach every learnerReal strategies for bite-sized, flexible professional learning that actually works ("PD in Your PJs," choice boards, micro-modules)Why students with IEPs, 504 plans, and multilingual learners are most at risk when schools cut their tech stacksWhat the future of higher education might look like as generative AI challenges the value of a degreeWhat are you most curious about when it comes to AI and the future of education? Connect with Dr. Fonz: MyEdTechLife podcastLinkedIn Timestamps 0:00 — Introduction & Guest Welcome0:59 — The "Cautious Advocate" — How Dr. Mendoza Approaches AI & EdTech Hype11:14 — Tech Backlash, Screen Time & What We Owe Kids21:45 — Student-Centered Learning & What Real EdTech Use Looks Like24:43 — Teacher Training, Professional Development & the Time Problem36:20 — AI Policy, Stakeholder Voice & the AI Readiness Audit1:07:51 — What Are You Curious About? The Future of Higher Ed & AI (00:00) - Introduction & Guest Welcome (00:59) - The Cautious Advocate: Lessons from EdTech Hype (08:01) - Tech Backlash & Screen Time (17:19) - Student-Centered Learning & EdTech in Practice (19:28) - Teacher Training & Professional Development (49:35) - The Future: Higher Ed & AI Curiosity We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

    Being a Cautious Advocate with Dr. Alfonso Mendoza Jr.
  6. Jun 24 ·  Video

    Aaron Makelky on AI Scouts, Snow Globes, & Building vs. Consuming

    Matt Karabinos sits down with Aaron Makelky—former history teacher turned Community & Developer Relations Manager at Descript—to explore the wild, humbling, and often hilarious journey of discovering AI. From a student showing Aaron ChatGPT after a Thanksgiving break to both men leaving the classroom within a month of each other, this episode is a real conversation between two educators who went all-in on AI before it was mainstream. They dig into the "tech lash" in schools, Aaron's powerful "snow globe" analogy for how schools operate, why every staff needs AI scouts, how they're raising AI-literate kids at home, and what vibe coding is really unlocking for everyday people. After this episode, you should be asking yourself, "are you consuming, or are you building?" Timestamped Show Notes 0:00 — Intro: How Matt & Aaron Met — A LinkedIn DM friendship and parallel paths out of teaching2:56 — Aaron's AI Origin Story — A student shows Aaron ChatGPT after Thanksgiving break; he's never the same11:59 — From Classroom to Dev Relations — Aaron describes his new role teaching creators and developers instead of students14:08 — The Snow Globe: Schools & AI — Aaron's analogy for how schools operate in isolation and why that's a problem16:01 — AI, Cheating & Classroom Conversations — Why students are confused about AI cheating rules and what we should be teaching instead16:22 — Raising AI-Literate Kids — Aaron's 8-year-old wants an AI agent; the Ozzy Osbourne AI fact-check lesson; his son as the classroom's AI scout20:15 — Vibe Coding & Building Things — Aaron vibe codes a full summer routine tracking app from handwritten notes in one hour23:58 — Consuming vs. Building: The Final Takeaway — AI puts everyone in one of two categories; which one do you want to be in? We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

    Aaron Makelky on AI Scouts, Snow Globes, & Building vs. Consuming
  7. Jun 2 ·  Video

    Rethinking Learning...Just in Time

    What does it actually mean to use AI responsibly in education? In this episode, host Matthew sits down with educator, author, and automation advocate Jethro Jones to explore the difference between AI that builds you up versus AI that holds you back. Jethro introduces the concept of cognitive equity — using AI to expand what you're capable of — versus cognitive debt — using it to skip the learning that matters. They dive deep into practical frameworks for deciding what to automate, why students aren't really "cheating" with AI (and what we should do about it instead), and what truly meaningful learning looks like. Whether you're a teacher, administrator, or lifelong learner, this conversation will challenge how you think about school, work, and what it means to actually grow. 0:00 — Welcome & Podcast Origin Story: Matthew introduces the show and welcomes returning guest Jethro Jones, who's been helping get this podcast off the ground.1:22 — Cognitive Equity vs. Cognitive Debt: Jethro introduces his core framework: AI that expands your abilities creates cognitive equity; AI that circumvents real learning creates cognitive debt.3:12 — Automating the Menial: Real-World Examples: Jethro shares how he built an automatic attendance tool for a driving school — and why the meaning behind a task determines whether it should be automated.6:22 — How to Decide What to Automate: Three frameworks: automate what you procrastinate on, automate what you've already systematized, and reconsider even automating gratitude.17:41 — Teaching Kids to Value Their Work: Matthew asks the big question: if adults can decide what's valuable, how do we help kids do the same?17:44 — Why School Compliance Kills Learning: Jethro argues that school systems have optimized for compliance, not learning — and AI just makes that problem impossible to ignore.19:38 — What Meaningful Learning Looks Like: Jethro clarifies: learning has never been the focus of school — but it should be. He shares three ways to make assignments actually matter.33:53 — Just-in-Time Learning: Why grade-level scope and sequences may be doing more harm than good — and how kids learn best when they need the knowledge most.35:07 — Monday Morning Takeaway: Jethro leaves teachers and administrators with one concrete, actionable thing to do this week.Guest: Jethro Jones — educator, author, and automation advocate. Find him at @JethroJones on all social platforms and at his new web site Optimization Doc. Host: Matthew — AI & Emerging Technology Consultant, Central Pennsylvania. We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

  8. May 20 ·  Video

    Curiosity Is the Entry Point: Matt Karabinos on AI in Education

    In this introductory episode, Jethro welcomes Matt Karabinos as the new host of Artificial Intelligence: Real Talk — formerly A Vision for Learning. Matt shares his background as a recently-practicing classroom teacher and his current work helping schools, educators, students, and administrators make sense of AI in education. Together, Jethro and Matt explore what makes AI different from past edtech initiatives: it is not just another tool, search engine, or “vending machine.” Used well, AI can become a thought partner that helps teachers reimagine lessons, create new learning experiences, and solve real classroom problems without starting from scratch. Matt also introduces the mindset behind his CURVE framework, beginning with curiosity. For educators wondering where to start, this conversation offers a simple invitation: be curious, try something small, and let AI help you see new possibilities for teaching and learning. In this episode Matt Karabinos’ move from the classroom into regional AI and emerging technology supportWhy AI in education needs to stay grounded in real teacher experienceThe future direction of Artificial Intelligence: Real TalkMoving beyond AI as a search engine or “vending machine”How teachers can use AI to reimagine lessons instead of replacing their own expertiseA practical classroom example: turning a tired morning lesson into an active number-line activityWhy educators do not need to relearn everything or become technical expertsCuriosity as the real entry point for using AI wellMatt’s CURVE framework and the mindset teachers need in this momentHow sharing your learning publicly can become a professional portfolioKey takeaways AI is most powerful when used as a thought partner, not just a content generator.Teachers do not have to throw out what already works; AI can help them adjust, remix, and improve from where they already are.The best starting point is not technical skill — it is curiosity.Asking AI for multiple options often produces better results than asking for one perfect answer.Educators can enter the AI conversation from any level of experience.Sharing what you are learning can open doors and demonstrate expertise in ways a résumé alone cannot.Guest Matt Karabinos is a former classroom teacher and current emerging technology and project specialist. He supports schools and educators as they navigate AI policy, classroom practice, student use, professional learning, and the broader shifts AI is bringing to education. He also runs student programs and regional competitions, including FIRST LEGO League, Scholastic Quiz League, Reading Competition, and Math24. Find Matt on TikTok: @MrKAllDay We’re thrilled to be sponsored by Renaissance and IXL. Learn more about Renaissance:   As a global leader in education technology operating in more than 110 countries, Renaissance is committed to providing educators with insights and resources to accelerate growth and help all students build a strong foundation for success. We believe that technology can unlock a more effective learning experience, ensure that students get the personalized teaching they need to thrive, and help educators and administrators to truly, fully, See Every Student. Learn more at renaissance.com. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more: Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

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Matt Karabinos hosts discussions that focus on one of the most important traits we have in the AI age: curiosity. He leans into his own curiosity for how AI is changing, reshaping, and challenging what we know about education as we know it. Hearing from guests in education, artificial intelligence, and everywhere in between, learn why curiosity is our superpower in this age of AI in education. Let's see what connections we can make with your curiosity!