Alive From The Underworld

Our Echo

There are thresholds we cross in our lives. The moments of death of one thing that bleeds into the birth of another. This podcast is a fire. Not a polished stage, not a resolution. A fire. The kind our ancestors gathered around when the night was too big to face alone, or when our depths were so deep we feared we'd fall into the void of them and never return. Here, I speak from inside the journey. Unfinished. Unresolved. Alive in the full complexity of it. At moments, lost among the vastness of possibility and what could be. We go where most conversations won't. Into the taboo, the veiled, the edges we don't usually name out loud. Grief. Rupture. Transformation in its most disorienting form. The thresholds that split a life into before and after. Fierce voices and soft ones are welcome here, because when we cross certain thresholds, different intonations of ourselves are beckoned from our depths. I have sat with people who carry all of it, and what I know is this: the most alive conversations happen at the edge, not the resolution. This is a place of remembrance. You do not have to be perfectly curated in your healing, in your life, or in yourself. You are allowed, in all your complexity, your rawness, your humanness, to be exactly as you are. You are never alone in that. Even when you are so utterly alone.

Episodes

  1. 3h ago

    The Rose Path, Egypt & The Mythology of Osiris & Isis with Natalie Rose

    This episode with Natalie Rose dives into the profound, often overlooked spaces that lead to rebirth—spaces where ego dissolves and the soul is reborn. Discover the power of sacred death, how to navigate the collapse of identity, and why these moments are the most vital of your spiritual journey right now. We'll explore the archetypes of Isis and Osiris, revealing their relevance as blueprints for healing division and embodying divine union in a wounded world. Natalie shares her personal journey through ego death, psychosis, and sacred initiation, illustrating how these thresholds are gateways to authentic power. You’ll learn about the witching hours of grief, the collective crumble of societal structures, and how to turn chaos into co-creation. Key insights include: how the story of Isis and Osiris offers a blueprint for navigating fragmentation, the importance of rites of passage in modern life, and why the war between genders is ultimately a call for divine reconciliation. We break down how to embody the dark and light, masculine and feminine, within and without, in service to a new way of being on Earth. If you feel the pressure of global collapse, the urge to surrender, or the call to reclaim your authentic self through death and rebirth, this episode is your guide. Natalie Rose is a transformational guide, storyteller, and healer with deep roots in esoteric wisdom and Egyptology. She specializes in guiding souls through death portals, collective rites of passage, and sacred union. Her work is rooted in ancient Egyptian mystery schools and modern transpersonal psychology, making her uniquely qualified to hold this space of profound transformation. To support this work. Stripe: https://buy.stripe.com/14k5m3d6caCH05... PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/

  2. Sep 5

    Playing with Persephone: Innocence, Trust & The Multi Path Way with Jade Fusco

    Jade Fusco, a multi-creative artist whose journey into the underworld reveals the true power of trusting life’s mysteries. When someone steps into the mythic embodiment of Persephone, they don’t just act — they access ancient truths about transformation, innocence, and agency buried deep within us all. Jade's story is a luminous invitation: what happens when we integrate our shadow with love and curiosity instead of fear?Most of us have been conditioned to stay in safe lanes, master one craft, or avoid facing our depths. Jade’s diverse creative pathways—actress, performer, healer, and visionary—prove that embodying multiple selves isn’t just possible, it’s essential. From her early fascination with avant-garde theater in New York to her current work blending EFT, Butoh, and mythic storytelling, she explores the thresholds where art becomes magic and healing. You’ll discover how her embodiment of Persephone isn’t about innocence lost but about the radiant power of vulnerability and trust — even when plunged into the shadows. This episode breaks down: The myth of Persephone as a blueprint for navigating our own thresholds of death and rebirthHow sacred art forms like Butoh reveal the beauty in shadow and decayThe essential practice of trusting life’s dark gift and the role of innocence in true empowermentTransparent stories of how Jade’s creative rebellion unlocked profound healing and self-connectionPractical tools for softening into the unknown, partnering with pain, and cultivating trust amid chaos Jade’s journey invites you to see darkness not as a punishment but as the fertile ground for rebirth—where you find your true voice, purpose, and aliveness. Perfect for artists, spiritual seekers, and anyone feeling lost in the liminal spaces of change, this conversation offers a pathway to embrace your full spectrum and remember the divine within your depths. To support this work. Stripe: https://buy.stripe.com/14k5m3d6caCH05... PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/

  3. Aug 22

    Embodying Hades: Mikaal Bates & Male Initiation

    Most people shy away from the darkness within, but here’s the truth: embracing your shadow is the key to true transformation. In this powerful conversation, Michael Bates—a leader guiding men through rites of passage—shares how the archetype of Hades reveals the vital role of shadow, darkness, and descent in becoming whole. Discover how initiations into the void awaken your deepest power, authenticity, and purpose—especially for men longing to reclaim ancestral rites lost in modern culture. You'll uncover: The significance of thresholds and the “void” in personal evolutionHow the archetype of Hades symbolizes the fertile soil of shadow where growth beginsThe importance of inner disruptors and dark masculine energy for authentic transformationThe role of ritual, sacrifice, and discomfort in leaving Boyhood behindWhy society’s fixation on light and optimization neglect the richness of darkness and winter energies Michael Bates is a rites of passage facilitator, life coach, and performer immersed in archetypal storytelling. Known for embodying the God of the underworld in the theatrical Earth Song, he explores the depths of darkness as essential medicine for consciousness and collective healing. His work emphasizes the need for modern men to step into their shadow, reclaim their purpose, and reconnect with sacred traditions of initiation. Embracing the void offers a transformative crucible where suffering turns into clarity, strength, and love. This episode challenges the victim-villain narratives and invites you to see darkness not as an obstacle, but as the fertile ground from which new life can spring.Perfect for men seeking depth, leaders navigating initiation, or anyone ready to dive into the underworld of their psyche—because only when we meet our shadows do we truly meet ourselves. Tune in for raw honesty, archetypal wisdom, and a blueprint for navigating the threshold spaces that define our evolution. To support this work Stripe:https://buy.stripe.com/14k5m3d6caCH05... PayPal:https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise:wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/

  4. Aug 5

    EarthSong: Theatre, Poetry and Living Through Archetype with David Burns & Sam Bottner

    Sam Bottner & David Adam Burns are the co-creators of the modern mythic musical Earthsong, current planning its next run in Austin, TX. David is the co-founder of The Mysteries, an artists’ collective dedicated to giving a voice to the ineffable. Sam is a composer, producer, poet, multi-instrumentalist, and founder of the Soundbending Academy.  https://themysteries.us/ https://www.instagram.com/sambottner/ https://www.instagram.com/davidadamburns/ https://davidadamburns.com/ https://open.spotify.com/artist/ https://mikemorrell.org/2017/03/things-close-rainer-maria-rilke/ To support the podcast: PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/ Dive into an exploration of mythic storytelling and inner transformation with hosts Echo Widmer, Sam Bottner, and David Burns. This episode weaves together themes of archetypal journeys, the power of storytelling, and the significance of embracing darkness to discover deeper truths. In this episode The symbolism of the underworld as a space of deep introspection and mysteryPersonal journeys of mythic descent and resurrection, including Persephone and HermesThe role of archetypes like Hades, Demeter, and Kronos in understanding power, harm, and healingArtistic approaches to embodying mythic characters as prayers and meditationsThe importance of transparency, vulnerability, and storytelling in the process of integrationNavigating the shadow through creative expression, ritual theater, and community connectionPractical insights for approaching the dark or shattered spaces in lifeThe significance of power, responsibility, and integrity in wielding archetypal energies

  5. Jul 5

    Embracing Imperfection & Our Own Inner Darkness with Cole Chance

    Most of us spend our lives clinging to what we think is solid ground, but the truth is, true growth begins at the edge of our comfort zone — on the ledge of chaos, where everything familiar dissolves. In this profound conversation, I sit with Cole Chance to explore what it really means to live alive from the underworld — the raw, wild, uncharted space where transformation happens. Brace yourself for a journey into the depths of vulnerability, desire, and the power of embracing our shadowy, messy parts. You'll discover how the most pivotal thresholds—pregnancy, addiction, heartbreak—morphed Cole’s sense of self and sparked her fierce, creative voice. We break down how life's greatest initiations demand a willingness to surrender, to fall into the void, and to trust that death is necessary for fertile new beginnings. Cole reveals her radical insights on the intelligence of our protective parts, the wild beauty of our rebellious edges, and the profound importance of honoring the natural cycles of pause and fallow—those sacred times of gestation when nothing seems to be happening, yet everything is happening beneath the surface. This episode uncovers the subtle art of boundary-setting, the wisdom hidden in our no’s and yes’s, and the courage to let relationships evolve or dissolve without shame. We explore the unseen archetypes that shape our tendencies to cling or push away, and how conscious relational overlap—like in dance or intimacy—can serve as a mirror for life's essential shifts. Cole and I delve into the importance of re-educating ourselves around departure, the myth of the 'perfect' connection, and why letting go — softly, with grace — is one of the bravest acts of love. Cole Chance is a yoga teacher, retreat leader, recovery educator, and lifelong student of what it means to be human. Through movement, breathwork, story, and inquiry, she explores the intersection of somatics, mythology, neuroscience, and embodied living. She is the founder of EMERGE and co-creator of The Mindfulish School, and leads retreats, trainings, and online programs that invite people home to themselves, within the wider world. To support this work Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/

  6. Jun 22

    From The Medical System to The Jungle with Isabel Allen

    Most people are afraid to face the void — but that's where true transformation begins. When Isabel Allen stepped into the dark depths of her own disintegration, she discovered a new realm of aliveness, sovereignty, and cosmic wholeness. Now, she guides others through the chaos of loss, identity dissolution, and initiation into their truest selves. This episode reveals how to turn darkness into the birth of a radiant interior revolution. Isabel shares her journey from the Western care system's burnout to sacred ceremonies in Peru, and Mexico that reconnected her with her ancestral roots and the mystery of life. You’ll discover how rites of passage—through plant medicine, community, and nature—are essential for true healing and wholeness, especially in a society that prizes comfort over transformation. Isabel’s story illustrates why rushing through spiritual awakening or retreating after mystical encounters can fragment your soul rather than unify it, and what real integration looks like. We break down profound insights like the importance of community in witnessing your disintegration, the power of surrendering control, and how to cultivate trust when the ego crumbles. Isabel explores how ancestral trauma, colonization, and the disconnection from natural cycles reinforce our fear of the void—and how facing that fear unlocks the treasures of intuition, sovereignty, and authentic love. Whether you’re in the middle of a crisis or simply yearning for deeper presence, Isabel’s wisdom invites you to surrender into life’s mystery and emerge renewed, radiant, and rooted in your innermost truth. Guest: Isabel Allen is a sacred mentor, somatic coach, and plant medicine facilitator rooted in ancestral wisdom and community healing. Her work helps individuals embody their sovereignty through rites of passage in nature and ceremony, bridging Western science with ancient practices. To support my work, community and the continuity of this project donate here: Stripe: https://buy.stripe.com/14k5m3d6caCH05... PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/

  7. Jun 5

    Relating to The Unseen With Alexandra Derwen

    To support my work, community and the continuity of this project donate here: Stripe: https://buy.stripe.com/14k5m3d6caCH05... PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/ Alexandra Derwen is a death doula and community educator, poet, pilgrim, keener, and teacher of lament. They are the founder of Sacred Circle Training Co CIC, a global social enterprise offering death and grief doula preparation courses and retreats. Alexandra is the author of three books titled Lost Rites, which track the loss and reclamation of death rites from the individual to the collective and systemic. They live in North Wales, UK, and are a lover of oak trees — their surname, Derwen, meaning "of the Oaks" — which have been their lovers and teachers. Alexandra can be found at www.journeywithdeath.com @journeywithdeath Their books : www.wysewomenpublishing.co.uk sacredcirclecic@gmail.com. Photo for Podcast by Red Raven Photos Our current times demand we face the chaos, loss, and unraveling of our collective stories with honesty and courage. This episode shatters the illusion of safety and explores how embracing uncertainty, grief, and the unseen can lead us into a deeper sense of belonging and resilience. If you’re longing for authentic connection to death, nature, and the transformative powers of lament, this conversation will awaken your soul’s capacity for courage and love. Discover how the thresholds of death and chaos serve as initiations for collective growth. We break down powerful frameworks like collective mourning, the importance of lament in modern society, and the urgent need for new rites of passage in a fragmented world.

  8. Apr 20

    Living In A Post Modern Threshold

    Alive from the Underworld | Episode 1 Living In A Post Modern Threshold This is not a podcast from the other side. I am not speaking to you from some place of arrival. I am speaking from inside it, from within the chrysalis, where the old form has already dissolved and the new one hasn't yet taken shape. This is what it means to be alive in the underworld. Not dead. Not lost. Alive, which is in some ways the harder thing. To be conscious inside the dissolution. Postmodernity did its necessary work. It dismantled the grand narratives, exposed the machinery behind the curtain, pulled apart the gods we had built from ideology, institution and inherited belief. It told us nothing was fixed, nothing was neutral, everything was constructed. And it was right. But deconstruction is not a destination. It is a demolition. And we are now living in the rubble. That is the particular weight of this moment. Not just personal unravelling. Collective freefall. The chrysalis is not comfortable. It is the place where what you were can no longer sustain you, and what you are becoming has not yet arrived. So this first episode offers no answers but questions. The kind that ask you to stop and look. To feel into what is actually guiding you, persuading you, possibly controlling you, beneath the noise of this fractured, post-everything moment. This series begins here. Alive. Inside the chrysalis. Asking for what wants to be born. To support my work, community and the continuity of this project donate here: Stripe: https://buy.stripe.com/14k5m3d6caCH05... PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/echog... Wise: wise.com/pay.me/@gieselw Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/c/OurEcho Follow this work at Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@_ourecho_ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_ourecho_/ Photo for Podcast by Red Raven Photos

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There are thresholds we cross in our lives. The moments of death of one thing that bleeds into the birth of another. This podcast is a fire. Not a polished stage, not a resolution. A fire. The kind our ancestors gathered around when the night was too big to face alone, or when our depths were so deep we feared we'd fall into the void of them and never return. Here, I speak from inside the journey. Unfinished. Unresolved. Alive in the full complexity of it. At moments, lost among the vastness of possibility and what could be. We go where most conversations won't. Into the taboo, the veiled, the edges we don't usually name out loud. Grief. Rupture. Transformation in its most disorienting form. The thresholds that split a life into before and after. Fierce voices and soft ones are welcome here, because when we cross certain thresholds, different intonations of ourselves are beckoned from our depths. I have sat with people who carry all of it, and what I know is this: the most alive conversations happen at the edge, not the resolution. This is a place of remembrance. You do not have to be perfectly curated in your healing, in your life, or in yourself. You are allowed, in all your complexity, your rawness, your humanness, to be exactly as you are. You are never alone in that. Even when you are so utterly alone.

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