30 episodes

Everyone wants to see children and young adults succeed in math, but it can be difficult to sort myths from facts in education. Join math professor, Anna Stokke, for conversations with leading educators about the importance of math, effective teaching methods, and debunking common myths about math and teaching. Chalk and Talk is a podcast for anyone interested in education, including educators, parents and students.

Chalk & Talk Anna Stokke

    • Education
    • 4.8 • 24 Ratings

Everyone wants to see children and young adults succeed in math, but it can be difficult to sort myths from facts in education. Join math professor, Anna Stokke, for conversations with leading educators about the importance of math, effective teaching methods, and debunking common myths about math and teaching. Chalk and Talk is a podcast for anyone interested in education, including educators, parents and students.

    Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy (Ep 30)

    Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy (Ep 30)

    In the second episode of a two-part series, math professor Anna Stokke sits down with Dr. Brian Poncy, a school psychology professor at Oklahoma State University, who specializes in math interventions. His extensive research on basic fact fluency led to the development of a free math program called M.I.N.D, aimed at improving numeracy and computational skills.

    They begin by discussing five compelling reasons that fluency is crucial. Brian shares his research on dosage, which addresses the frequency and duration of practice for math skills. 

    Anna asks Brian to define conceptual understanding, and they explore its relationship with procedural skill. They also discuss explicit timing and address concerns about anxiety. Brian emphasizes the importance of data-driven decision-making and more.

    A key takeaway from these two episodes is that achieving fluency with basic facts requires daily practice—every school day, not just once a week or every other day. The specifics are covered in this episode.

    As Brian emphasizes, basic fact fluency results in significant effects with minimal investment in instructional time. These two episodes shine a light on the challenges many children face with math and highlight research-backed methods to improve math education.

    NOTE: The resource page contains an extensive list of research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-30-resources

    TIMESTAMPS

    [00:00:00] Introduction
    Five reasons math fluency is important
    [00:02:42] Reason 1: More opportunities to respond 
    [00:05:50] Reason 2: Increased rates of reinforcement
    [00:10:07] Reasons 3 & 4: Knowledge maintenance & reducing cognitive load
    [00:12:35] Reason 5: Skill generalization
    [00:20:16] Defining conceptual understanding
    [00:25:31] Relationship between conceptual understanding & fluency building
    [00:28:35] Research on dosage: how much to practice
    [00:36:05] To mix or not to mix skills
    [00:38:58] Explicit timing with goal setting and rewards
    [00:42:29] Explicit timing and math anxiety
    [00:47:54] Making data-based decisions
    [00:52:30] Advice for schools

    RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

    Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df

    Ep 3. The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bksbz-13c732d

    Ep 4. Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-thbad-13cea56

    Ep 17. Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-9qahp-14aed8a

    Ep 27. Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
    https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac

    EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-30-transcript

    EPISODE RESOURCES

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-30-resources

    MUSIC

    Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

    Blue Dot Sessions – Thannoid, Tarte Tatin, Mazamorra, Cornicob

    Podington Bear – Camp

    Website: www.annastokke.com

    X: @rastokke

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

    • 57 min
    Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy (Ep 29)

    Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy (Ep 29)

    In this first episode of a two-part series, math professor Anna Stokke sits down with Dr. Brian Poncy, a school psychology professor at Oklahoma State University, who specializes in math interventions. His extensive research on basic fact fluency led to the development of a free math program called M.I.N.D, aimed at improving numeracy and computational skills.

    In the episode, Brian stresses that we have a basic fact crisis where many students struggle with basic fact fluency, affecting their overall math proficiency. They discuss his research and effective strategies for teaching basic facts and computational skills.

    The conversation begins with a description of the instructional hierarchy, a tool for identifying a student’s learning stage and selecting suitable tasks, with an accompanying infographic available on the episode resource page. Anna asks Brian to define some key terms such as fluency, automaticity and mastery.  They discuss the impact of his free program, M.I.N.D, particularly its implementation in a low-performing school. They also cover research on decomposition strategies and emphasize the importance of data collection to inform instruction.

    Throughout the episode, Brian shares strategies used in the M.I.N.D program, revealing his deep passion for helping children learn math. These two episodes shine a light on the challenges many children face with math and highlight research-backed methods to improve math education.

    NOTE: The resource page contains an extensive list of research articles mentioned in the episode: annstokke.com/ep-29-resources

    TIMESTAMPS

    [00:00:00] Introduction
    [00:03:26] Definition of fluency
    [00:04:40] The instructional hierarchy
    [00:14:27] Interventions for building accuracy and fluency
    [00:22:38] Definition of automaticity
    [00:30:24] Definition of mastery
    [00:34:53] Facts on Fire for Tier 1 instruction
    [00:44:54] Research on decomposition strategies for mental math
    [00:50:07] Implementing Facts on Fire: A longitudinal study
    [01:00:53] The need to make data-informed decisions
    [01:01:45] Closing thoughts and topics in next episode

    RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

    Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df

    Ep 3. The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bksbz-13c732d

    Ep 4. Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-thbad-13cea56

    Ep 17. Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-9qahp-14aed8a

    Ep 20. Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6

    EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-29-transcript

    EPISODE RESOURCES

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-29-resources

    MUSIC

    Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

    Blue Dot Sessions – Town Market, Spindash, Cornicob

    Podington Bear – Camp

    Website: www.annastokke.com

    X: @rastokke

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

    • 1 hr 3 min
    Autism and evidence-based math instruction with Katharine Beals (Ep 28)

    Autism and evidence-based math instruction with Katharine Beals (Ep 28)

    In episode 28, math professor Anna Stokke interviews Dr. Katharine Beals, who is a linguist and expert in using evidence-based instruction to teach students with autism.  Katharine is the author of several books on autism, including one focused on autism-friendly curriculum and instruction.

    They begin the episode with an overview of autism, where Katharine describes some of its defining characteristics and the skills typically affected. She discusses how autism impacts math learning and some common instructional techniques that can negatively impact autistic students. They then discuss what research suggests are the most effective instructional methods for students with autism.

    Along the way, they discuss facilitated communication, and Katharine recommends math programs that are particularly well-suited for autistic individuals.

    A key takeaway from this conversation is that many instructional techniques that are most effective for students with autism benefit the majority of students, but poor instructional methods more adversely affect those with autism. This fascinating and highly informative conversation is a must-listen for educators and anyone passionate about education.

    PREVIOUS EPISODES MENTIONED

    Ep 21. The right to learn math with Daniel Ansari https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-4nv9n-1527568

    Ep 25. Understanding math reform ideology with Tom Loveless https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7ih4c-15dbf9a

    Ep 27. Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac

    EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-28-transcript

    EPISODE RESOURCES

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-28-resources

    MUSIC

    Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

    Blue Dot Sessions – Inamorata, Town Market, The Gran Dias

    Podington Bear – Lakeside Path, Camp

    Website: www.annastokke.com

    X: @rastokke

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

    • 1 hr 2 min
    Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow (Ep 27)

    Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow (Ep 27)

    In Episode 27, math professor Anna Stokke talks with Dr. Pamela Snow, a cognitive psychology professor at La Trobe University’s School of Education in Australia.    She is renowned for her expertise in language and literacy instruction and co-founded the Science of Language and Reading (SOLAR) Lab at La Trobe, which assists schools in adopting scientific approaches to enhance reading instruction.

    Pamela emphasizes viewing school as a health intervention and effective language and reading instruction as a social justice issue.  The conversation spans a range of topics, including evidence-based methods for teaching reading, the golden mean fallacy in education, and foundational skills in both reading and math.  They also discuss ways to improve teacher preparation and whether programs like the one at La Trobe might start emerging in other universities.  This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in education, whether from a reading perspective or a math perspective.

    PREVIOUS EPISODES MENTIONED

    Ep 17. Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-9qahp-14aed8a

    Ep 20.  Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6

    EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-27-transcript

    EPISODE RESOURCES

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-27-resources

    MUSIC

    Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

    Blue Dot Sessions – Balti, Coulis Coulis, Lissa, Cornicob

    Podington Bear – Proliferate

    Website: www.annastokke.com

    X: @rastokke

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

    • 1 hr 10 min
    Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas (Ep 26)

    Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas (Ep 26)

    In Episode 26, math professor Anna Stokke is joined by David Morkunas, who is an Australian teacher and numeracy learning specialist.  Their conversation focusses on practical applications of cognitive load theory and explicit instruction for teaching math. 

    They discuss David’s role in overseeing a primary math program.  He shares strategies for incorporating cognitive science principles into daily math reviews.  They discuss the significance of standard algorithms and explore David’s strategies for teaching them.  They talk about the role of manipulatives, math anxiety and fostering motivation in math class.  Anna also asked David to recommend resources for further exploration of explicit instruction and cognitive load theory.

    This episode is packed with actionable advice for teaching math.  David’s infectious passion for math and his skill in applying effective teaching methods make this an invaluable episode for educators and math education enthusiasts. 

    PREVIOUS EPISODES MENTIONED

    Raising student achievement with Dylan Wiliam: https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-kduiw-15bba36

    EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-26-transcript

    EPISODE RESOURCES

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-26-resources

    MUSIC

    Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

    Blue Dot Sessions – Town Market, Balti

    Podington Bear – Camp, Proliferate

    Website: www.annastokke.com

    X: @rastokke

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

    • 56 min
    Understanding math reform ideology with Tom Loveless (Ep 25)

    Understanding math reform ideology with Tom Loveless (Ep 25)

    In this episode, math professor Anna Stokke is joined by education policy expert, Dr. Tom Loveless.  They discuss the National Math Advisory Panel and some of the recommendations in from its final report.  They talk about the influential 1989 NCTM standards and their global impact on math education as well as the history of the math wars.

    Tom discusses some of his concerns about the California Math Framework and whether its recommendations are aligned with those in the National Math Advisory Panel report.  They cover many other topics such as San Francisco’s unsuccessful de-tracking initiative and the importance of memorizing math facts.  This episode is a must listen for anyone who teaches math, as well as parents and policymakers.

    PREVIOUS EPISODES MENTIONED

    Red flags in education research with Ben Solomon (Ep 23)

    Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad (Ep 15)

    California’s math controversy with Jelani Nelson, Part I (Ep 11)

    EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-25-transcript

    EPISODE RESOURCES

    https://www.annastokke.com/ep-25-resources

    MUSIC

    Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

    Blue Dot Sessions – Avoiding the Backdrop, Godmother’s Visit, Lakeside Path, Momentary Ease, Sonatina Kemf

    Komiku – Bleu

    Podington Bear - Kitten

    Website: www.annastokke.com

    X: @rastokke

    LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c

    • 1 hr 9 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
24 Ratings

24 Ratings

Natcat13 ,

Thoughtful dialogue on effective math instruction

Anna Stokke’s well produced and thoughtful podcast is a must for anyone who cares about math instruction. A must listen for teachers, parents, administrators, and policymakers.

Math parent 123 ,

Great middle of the road perspective

I’m so happy to have found this podcast. I was looking for something more middle of the road in math education vs the 1-sided perspectives that dominate among the NCTM crowd. This podcast is a breath of fresh air.

agratefulteacher ,

Smart!

This is a very smart and informative podcast for not only teaching math, but sound educational practices in all areas! Well done!

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