The data, thorough and recent, drives the guests they host and the topic of conversation. I lead a church with a multi site, micro church vision, and I get just as much out of the content as those leading churches of hundreds or thousands. They’re not presenting theories to try, they’re showing what’s happening with research and asking leading practitioners in those areas what we can do.

Love hearing the new facts every week. Guests are decent adds too.

This podcast has given me insight week after week in how to lead in constant changes. Thankful for people like Carey and David who are devoted to sharing difficult information to help the church make necessary pivots.

I’ve listened the past two months and have been encouraged, challenged, and ministered to in many ways! I thought I was on an island (and I mean that in the worst way; not a sabbatical 😂)