Climate Changed

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Climate Changed explores spiritual leadership and imagination in a climate-changed world. Join hosts Rev. Nicole Diroff and Autumn Brown (from the hit podcast How to Survive the End of the World) as they talk with artists, healers, and frontline leaders who deepen the conversation and stir the waters. A project of The BTS Center.

  1. Jul 21

    What does it mean to cultivate freedom for future generations? • Autumn Brown + Nicole Diroff

    What does it mean to cultivate freedom for future generations? • Autumn Brown + Nicole Diroff In this episode of Climate Changed, Autumn Brown and Rev. Nicole Diroff continue reflecting on Autumn’s conversation with Francis Weller about grief, ritual, imagination, and “the long dark.” Nicole shares stories from a recent BTS Center retreat, Climate Advocacy and the Sacred Wild, where faith and climate leaders were invited to slow down, step away from project-making, and deepen their relationship with the natural world and one another. Autumn reflects on her work around fugitive practice, drawing from Black liberation and Black feminist thought. She explores freedom not only as something we do, but as something we are — even inside systems that deny freedom. Together, Autumn and Nicole ask what it means to work for a freedom we may not live to see. Autumn reminds us that we are part of a much bigger story of freedom, one that includes future generations whose lives we may never directly know. In this episode: Francis Weller on “the long dark” Seeing differently in a climate-changed world Friendship and spiritual leadership Margaret Wheatley’s question: “Who do we choose to be?” Receiving wisdom with humility and care Autumn Brown on fugitive practice Freedom as a way of being Ritual, conflict, community, and imagination Next Steps Name the hazards and gifts in your place. What are the real hazards where you live? What gifts do you, your neighbors, or your community already carry that could help when crisis comes? Ask who your friends are. Who can help you slow down, tell the truth, and remember that you are not alone? Practice imagination. Make space for dreams, images, and the imaginal. Lie down, cover your eyes, begin with a simple image, and let it unfold. Rest. Francis Weller names rest as a rebellious practice in a culture of productivity. Gather a listening circle. Invite three to five people to sit together for an hour. Turn off your phones. Take turns naming one thing that is weighing on your heart. Do not solve. Just listen. Use shared quiet. At the beginning or end of a meeting, try two or three minutes of silence. Notice what changes when the room slows down together. Resources Francis Weller: https://www.francisweller.net/ Lament with Earth: https://thebtscenter.org/lamentwithearth Climate Changed Podcast: https://climatechangedpodcast.org/ The BTS Center: https://thebtscenter.org/ Contact: podcast@thebtscenter.org

  2. Jul 14

    What if it doesn’t get better anytime soon? • Francis Weller + Autumn Brown

    What if it doesn’t get better anytime soon? • Francis Weller + Autumn Brown In this episode of Climate Changed, Autumn Brown speaks with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller about grief, ritual, imagination, and what he calls “the long dark.” Francis invites us to consider that the climate-changed world is not a short crisis with a quick resolution. It is a generational passage that asks for patience, restraint, communal care, ritual imagination, and the courage to see with “a dark-adapted eye.” Before the conversation, Autumn shares a short speculative story called “Island,” opening a doorway into questions of land, belonging, migration, silence, and longing. Together, Autumn and Francis explore why grief and imagination belong together, why sorrow was never meant to be carried alone, and why communities need ritual ground where anguish, rage, shame, and heartbreak can be held. Francis also speaks to spiritual leaders about slowing down, warming the ritual field, and creating spaces where people can be changed rather than merely comforted. The conversation turns toward friendship as essential medicine. In a time marked by overwhelm and uncertainty, Francis reminds us that we do not mature alone. We need friends, elders, ritual, ancestors, community, and the living earth. Guest: Francis Weller https://www.francisweller.net/ Climate Changed Podcast: https://climatechangedpodcast.org/ The BTS Center: https://thebtscenter.org/ Contact: podcast@thebtscenter.org

  3. Jun 16

    How do we cultivate agency in the face of climate change? • Autumn Brown + Nicole Diroff

    In this episode of Climate Changed, Autumn Brown and Rev. Nicole Diroff continue the conversation sparked by Autumn’s interview with disaster-response specialist Katie Mears. Together, they explore what disaster can reveal about human beings and the communities we create. They discuss the limitations of the term “climate refugee,” the difference between charity and solidarity, and the importance of preserving agency when people are displaced or forced to adapt. Drawing on the work of Rebecca Solnit, Amitav Ghosh, Ayana Elizabeth Johnson, and Colette Pichon Battle, Autumn and Nicole consider how faith communities can become places where people practice democracy, collective care, moral imagination, and self-determination. They also imagine public rituals for a climate-changed world, including the practice of witnessing high tides. Key Themes and Conversations Disaster as an Opportunity Multiplier: Climate change magnifies existing threats, but Autumn and Nicole ask whether it can also multiply opportunities to rethink how we live in community. The Language of Climate Displacement: Terms such as “climate refugee” may make sense to scholars and policymakers but may not reflect how displaced people understand their own experiences. From Extraction to Collective Care: Nicole draws on Amitav Ghosh’s work to suggest that displacement is often rooted in longer histories of exploitation, conflict, and violence—not simply a single climate event. Safe, Sanitary, Secure, and Chosen: Disaster recovery must include more than technically adequate shelter. People and communities need agency in determining where and how they live. Practicing Democracy: Faith communities and other “third spaces” can help people develop the skills required to listen, disagree, make decisions, and shape a shared future. Charity and Solidarity: Charity asks what we can give. Solidarity asks how we can come alongside others, accompany them, and recognize that their well-being is connected to our own. Witnessing High Tides: Nicole considers public ritual as a way of noticing climate change, accompanying the more-than-human world, making space for grief, and cultivating hope. Next Steps Autumn and Nicole remind listeners that imagination becomes meaningful when it enters our shared lives through practical action. Explore your community’s disaster preparedness. Ask what plans your congregation, neighborhood, or community organization already has in place. Is there a communication plan, phone tree, emergency contact list, or strategy for checking on vulnerable people? Look for preparedness resources offered by your denomination or local emergency-management organizations. Resource: United Church of Christ Disaster Preparedness Resources https://www.ucc.org/disaster_index/disaster_resources/ Listen to a story of displacement. Speak with someone who has experienced uprooting because of weather, housing costs, evacuation, or housing loss. Listen without trying to fix the story. The practice of witnessing and accompaniment can itself become part of rebuilding community. Notice what water is doing where you live. Find a local tide, river, rainfall, drought, or watershed resource. Spend time observing how water is changing in your region. Consider how witnessing these changes might become a personal or public ritual. Move from charity toward solidarity. After offering money, supplies, or practical assistance, ask what relationship might come next. How can your community accompany people rather than simply deliver resources? Share what you discover. Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 People and Resources Mentioned Katie Mears Senior Technical Specialist for U.S. Disaster and Climate Risk at Episcopal Relief & Development https://www.episcopalrelief.org/?s=katie+mears Episcopal Relief & Development https://www.episcopalrelief.org/ Adaptation Through Shock — Katie Mears and Sarah Labowitz https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/10/adaptation-through-shock A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster — Rebecca Solnit https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/301070/a-paradise-built-in-hell-by-rebecca-solnit/ The Nutmeg’s Curse: Parables for a Planet in Crisis — Amitav Ghosh https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/N/bo125517349.html What If We Get It Right? Visions of Climate Futures — Ayana Elizabeth Johnson https://www.getitright.earth/ Colette Pichon Battle and Taproot Earth https://www.taproot.earth/ Tides: The Science and Spirit of the Ocean — Jonathan White https://www.trinity.edu/directory/jwhite1/tides-science-and-spirit-ocean United Church of Christ Disaster Ministries https://www.ucc.org/disaster_index/disaster_resources/ NOAA Tide Predictions https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/tide_predictions.html About the Hosts Autumn Brown is a mother, artist, facilitator, and freedom worker who supports communities in cultivating resilience, imagination, and collective liberation. Rev. Nicole Diroff is Associate Director of The BTS Center. Her work explores spiritual leadership, ecological imagination, and the role of faith communities in a climate-changed world. Connect With Us Climate Changed Podcast: https://climatechangedpodcast.org/ The BTS Center: https://thebtscenter.org/ Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 Find full-length video episodes, excerpts, and bonus materials on The BTS Center’s YouTube channel. Episode Blessing May you feel the wind at your back, the ocean at your feet, as the hands of your ancestors— sometimes gently, sometimes firmly— guide you into the future.

  4. Jun 9

    What do disasters reveal about human nature? Katie Mears + Autumn Brown

    Autumn Brown speaks with Katie Mears, Senior Technical Specialist for U.S. Disaster and Climate Risk at Episcopal Relief & Development. Katie has spent nearly 20 years working with communities as they prepare for, respond to, recover from, and adapt to disasters. Together, Autumn and Katie explore what faithful disaster response looks like in a climate-changed world. They discuss climate mobility, housing justice, land grief, queer and immigrant vulnerability, and the need for faith communities to move beyond climate mitigation alone. Katie invites us to see disaster work not only as logistics, but as a spiritual practice rooted in dignity, welcome, agency, and love. Grounding Practice This episode begins with a reading from Rebecca Solnit’s book A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster. Solnit writes about the courage, mutual aid, generosity, and imagination that often emerge in the aftermath of catastrophe. The Practice: As you listen, notice what rises in you when you hear the idea that “the possibility of paradise is already within us as a default setting.” Where have you seen people become more open-hearted, resourceful, or generous in a time of crisis? Key Themes and Conversations Climate Mobility and the Language of Displacement: Katie explains why people who move after climate-related disasters may not call themselves “climate refugees,” even when they understand that climate change shaped the conditions that forced them to move. Safe, Sanitary, Secure — and Chosen: Disaster recovery often focuses on stable housing, but Katie adds an essential fourth word: chosen. True recovery must include agency and the ability to make meaningful decisions about one’s future. Adaptation as Faithful Practice: Katie notes that many faith communities focus on mitigation — solar panels, electric vehicle chargers, insulation — but fewer talk about adaptation. Even if emissions stopped tomorrow, the world has already changed, and communities need to adjust to that reality. Housing as Climate Ministry: Katie argues that affordable housing is one of the most important climate actions faith communities can take. As people move away from higher-risk areas, housing pressure can increase in the places receiving them, creating cycles of climate gentrification and displacement. Welcome Without Control: Katie invites faith communities to offer real welcome while respecting the choices displaced people make. The goal is not to persuade someone to stay, return, or move on, but to expand the menu of choices available to them. Queer, Immigrant, and Othered Communities in Disaster Response: Katie and Autumn discuss how official disaster systems often assume a straight, married, property-owning household model. Disasters can “turn up the volume” on existing exclusion, but they can also create openings for new forms of solidarity. Next Steps Autumn and Nicole remind listeners that the next steps help us bring imagination into practical reality. The change we need cannot happen alone. It has to grow in the community. Notice the actual hazards in your place. Katie Mears invites listeners to begin close to home. What are the things that cause harm to people’s living and working conditions where you are? They may not be the dramatic disasters that make national news. They might be flooding, extreme heat, apartment fires, unsafe housing, power outages, food insecurity, wildfire smoke, or rising housing costs. Then ask: What gifts do you, and the communities you are part of, already have that could be brought to bear in that situation? Disaster response is not only about who has a generator or who fits an official emergency checklist. It can include people who cook, organize, drive, translate, make phone calls, offer space, know the neighbors, care for children, repair things, pray, listen, or help people feel less alone. Explore your community’s disaster preparedness. If you belong to a faith community, ask what disaster preparedness efforts are already in place. Does your congregation have a plan? A phone tree? A communication strategy? A way to check on vulnerable members? Nicole points listeners toward the United Church of Christ’s Disaster Preparedness Guide for Local Churches: A Workbook, and encourages people to look for similar resources from their own denomination or tradition. Resource: United Church of Christ Preparedness Resources https://www.ucc.org/disaster_index/disaster_resources/ Listen to stories of displacement. Autumn invites listeners, especially those who offer spiritual care, to speak with someone who has experienced uprooting. This might be someone displaced by weather, housing costs, evacuation, or the loss of stable housing. Listen without trying to fix the story or the conditions. The act of witnessing can be the beginning of rebuilding community. Invite stories in your wider network. If you are active on social media, consider asking people to share stories of displacement or uprooting. Invite face-to-face conversation when possible. Practice accompaniment: receive the story, honor the person, and resist the urge to rush toward solutions. Share what you discover. Autumn and Nicole would love to hear what you are practicing, noticing, or learning. Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 People and Resources Mentioned Katie Mears, Senior Technical Specialist for U.S. Disaster and Climate Risk at Episcopal Relief & Development Katie’s articles at Episcopal Relief & Development: https://www.episcopalrelief.org/?s=katie+mears Episcopal Relief & Development Website: https://www.episcopalrelief.org/ Episcopal Relief & Development U.S. Disaster Program Resource: https://www.episcopalrelief.org/our-work/us-disaster-program/ Imagining a More Just World – Disaster Response in an Age of Climate Change by Katie Mears Article: https://www.episcopalrelief.org/stories/disaster-response-in-an-age-of-climate-change/ Adaptation Through Shock by Katie Mears and Sarah Labowitz, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Article: https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/10/adaptation-through-shock A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster by Rebecca Solnit Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/301070/a-paradise-built-in-hell-by-rebecca-solnit/ United Church of Christ Preparedness Resources Includes Disaster Preparedness Guide for Local Churches: A Workbook https://www.ucc.org/disaster_index/disaster_resources/ Climate Changed Podcast Podcast site: https://climatechangedpodcast.org/ The BTS Center Website: https://thebtscenter.org/ The BTS Center YouTube Channel Video episodes and bonus material: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBTSCenter Guest Bio Katie Mears is the Senior Technical Specialist for U.S. Disaster and Climate Risk at Episcopal Relief & Development. They have worked in faith-based disaster response since Hurricane Katrina in 2005, supporting communities through disaster preparation, response, recovery, and adaptation. Katie’s current work focuses on people-prioritized, climate-adaptive disaster response. They help faith communities and local partners address housing, displacement, climate risk, and the complex choices facing people whose lives and homes are disrupted by disaster. Connect With Us We would love to hear what reflections are surfacing for you. Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 Podcast Website: https://climatechangedpodcast.org/ Video: Find full-length video episodes and bonus clips on The BTS Center’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheBTSCenter Learn more about The BTS Center: https://thebtscenter.org/ Blessing May you feel the wind at your back, the ocean at your feet, as the hands of your ancestors — sometimes gently, sometimes firmly — guide you into the future.

  5. May 19

    How do we find our way back to "Source"? A conversation with Autumn Brown and Nicole Diroff on the wisdom of Zen Master Norma Wong

    In this companion episode, hosts Autumn Brown and Nicole Diroff sit down to reflect on the deep, ancestral wisdom shared by Zen Master Norma Wong in our previous episode. How do we move from the "terrifying" experience of systemic collapse into a place of collective resilience? Autumn and Nicole dive into the somatic and spiritual shifts required to live and lead in this time-place of collapse. Notable Quote: "If we are tapped into source and source reveals this great grand interconnectedness, there starts to surface these things that compel us... my experience says open yourself to it." — Nicole Diroff Episode Summary: Following Autumn's conversation with Norma Wong, Nicole and Autumn process the heavy yet hopeful themes of "source ways," the breakdown of Western "individualism," and the necessity of accompaniment. Nicole shares a vulnerable story of navigating a moment of crisis, illustrating how our nervous systems respond to collapse and how we can find our way back to resonance through collective "beingness" rather than just "doingness." Key Themes and Conversations: Processing the "Slipstream": Nicole and Autumn discuss the somatic experience of living through the "polycrisis" and the importance of recognizing our own nervous system's response to systemic duress. Breaking the Construct of Individualism: A reflection on how Western "hyper-individualism" creates a sense of isolation during crisis and the invitation to return to a more foundational "source way" of being. Accompaniment in Action: Nicole shares a powerful personal narrative about witnessing a high-stress incident and how it served as a microcosm for the larger systemic "breakdowns" we are all witnessing. Source vs. Strategy: Discussing why spiritual leadership requires being "tapped into source" before jumping into strategy, allowing our actions to be guided by a deep sense of interconnectedness. Next Steps & Practice: Somatic Check-In: When you feel the "panic" of collapse—whether in a personal crisis or global news—take a moment to notice where that feeling lives in your body. Practice the "Breath of Resonance" discussed in Episode 5. Identify Your "Source Way": Reflect on the practices that help you feel connected to the whole of life. Is it singing? Storytelling? Silence? Find one way to prioritize that "beingness" this week. Practice Radical Presence: Look for a moment this week where you can offer presence rather than a solution. How does it change the energy of the interaction when the relationship is the first response? People and Resources Mentioned: Norma Wong, Zen Master and teacher. Who We Are Becoming Matters by Norma Wong (North Atlantic Books). The BTS Center Connect With Us: What stirred for you in this conversation? We love to hear your voices and reflections. Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 Video: Watch full-length video episodes and find bonus material on The BTS Center’s YouTube channel. Website: Visit www.climatechangedpodcast.org for transcripts and discussion guides. Blessing: May you be fed, may you be watered. May you grow towards the sun. Feel held in love, worthy of love. Coming Up Next: Join us next week for a conversation with Katie Mears as we explore how we communicate risk and build collective solutions in a changing world.

  6. May 12

    What constitutes "human beingness" during ecological crisis? • Zen Master & Teacher Norma Wong + Autumn Brown

    In a time of "polycrisis" and systemic collapse, it is easy to feel unmoored by the intensity of the "slipstream". In this episode, Autumn Brown sits down with Zen Master and Native Hawaiian teacher Norma Wong to explore a different way of being. Together, they discuss the move from individual leadership to collective accompaniment, the importance of reconnecting to our "source ways," and how imagining a future is not a theoretical exercise but the necessary work of the present moment. Grounding Practice To help us settle into the space of this conversation, we begin with a musical grounding from Pax Ressler, a queer, non-binary artist, composer, and friend of The BTS Center. Their song, "Woven Together," is a sonic invitation to feel into the very interconnectedness—the kakou—that Norma Wong describes. The Practice: As you listen, allow the music to help you transition from the frantic "doingness" of your day into a state of presence. Let the lyrics remind you that we are part of a larger fabric of life, heart, and mind, woven into the future we are currently creating. Key Themes and Conversations: Beyond Individual Leadership: Moving from the Western construct of the singular leader to kakou—an accumulated, experiential way of being in tangible cohesion with all beings. Accompaniment as a Natural State: Recognizing that our time is brief and shifting our daily behavior toward being a good guest and steward of the universe. The Slipstream and Systems Collapse: Understanding that in a "polycrisis," systems can only react rather than respond, necessitating a shift toward reconstituting human beingness at the community level. The "Source Way" vs. The "Cultural Way": Distinguishing between the cultural practices we can relearn and the deeper "source way" of being that ties us to all of indigeneity and to the earth itself. Imagination as Practical Work: Using storytelling and visioning to immediately implement the systems we will need, such as native plant nurseries for rebuilding after a disaster. Breathing as Community Practice: A grounding exercise in resonance and nervous system regulation. Next Steps & Practice: The 80-10-10 Rule: Inspired by Sherri Mitchell's work, consider how you distribute your energy. Invest 10% in looking at what needs to change, 10% in holding back the tide of harm, and the final 80% in creating a reality that offers compassion, safety, equality, and sustainability for all. Practice Accompaniment: Identify a person or group in your community who needs presence rather than advice. Whether it is a family facing economic hardship or someone navigating a recent loss, let the relationship be the first response and let that connection guide what you do next. Ancestral Legacy: Reflect on what you are doing today that serves the "time beyond the collapse." How are you practicing being a good ancestor right now? People and Resources Mentioned: Norma Wong, Zen Master, teacher, and author. Who We Are Becoming Matters by Norma Wong (North Atlantic Books, released Feb 2026). Pax Ressler, musician and composer of the song "Woven Together" featured in this episode. Sherri Mitchell, indigenous leader and attorney (referenced in the song and next steps). Guest Bio: Norma Ryuko Kaweloku Wong Roshi is a Native Hawaiian and Haka Zen teacher. She serves as the Abbot of Enko Inn, an independent branch temple of Daihonzen Chozenji. An 86th-generation Zen Master, she has spent over 40 years applying Zen and indigenous values to transformational change. Her career has spanned community work, the Hawaii state legislature, and policy strategy, including leading negotiations over Native Hawaiian land and water rights . Today, she brings grounded wisdom to global ecological and spiritual crises. Connect With Us: We would love to hear what reflections are surfacing for you. Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 Video: Find full-length video episodes and bonus clips on The BTS Center’s YouTube channel. Blessing: May you be fed, may you be watered. May you grow towards the sun. Feel held in love, worthy of love.

    What constitutes "human beingness" during ecological crisis? • Zen Master & Teacher Norma Wong + Autumn Brown

  7. Apr 21

    What is the most hopeful act? (Tending, Mending, Befriending)

    Hosts Nicole Diroff and Autumn Brown reflect on Autumn’s profound conversation with climate chaplain Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner. They explore why radical honesty about our ecological reality is not an act of despair, but the foundation of true hope and agency. As we navigate a world that feels increasingly like an "extended apocalypse," Nicole and Autumn discuss the "ministry of presence"—the practice of sitting with grief rather than trying to fix it. Their conversation alights on parenting, martial arts, and caring for one another in a world hungry for freedoms. They also dive into the biological "fight or flight" responses triggered by the climate crisis and how we can look to our ancestors and the "more-than-human" world for models of resilience and survival. In This Episode Tending, Mending, Befriending: Shifting away from urgency-based "yelling" toward spiritual care that acknowledges deep overwhelm . The More Than Human World: Exploring our identity as one species among millions and learning survival strategies from the ecological world. The Sacred Act of Naming: How being honest about our grief and naming the "unknowable" creates a path to communion and hope . Practicing Freedom: Insights from Autumn’s martial arts practice on how discipline and collaboration create the capacity for spontaneity and choice . Agency in Care: Reclaiming our biological and spiritual drive to both give and receive care as a fundamental tool for resilience . Next Steps: Practice Spiritual Care Inspired by the conversation, Autumn and Nicole invite you to engage in these small acts of spiritual care this week: Name Your Emotion: Pause long enough to name one specific emotion that climate change brings up for you. Share Your Feeling: Take that named emotion and share it with someone you trust. Risk Honesty: Find a setting to let others know you are concerned—whether by leading a prayer in your faith community or by writing a letter to your local paper. Mini-Rituals: Create a simple line of acknowledgment or a "closing homily" during a daily task or gathering to ground your actions in a larger purpose. Connect with Us: Share your own message, reflections, or sparking ideas by emailing podcast@thebtscenter.org or leaving a voice message at 207-200-6986. Resources Mentioned Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner: Climate change chaplain and guest from the previous episode. https://www.exploringapocalypse.com/  David Abram: American ecologist and philosopher who coined the term "more than human world". https://www.davidabram.org/  Robin Wall Kimmerer: Author noted for the essay comparing monoculture corn to "enslavement". https://www.robinwallkimmerer.com/  Lament with Earth: A BTS Center program involving online gatherings for seasonal naming and grieving. https://thebtscenter.org/lament-with-earth-2025-2026/  The Many: Liturgists and musicians who collaborated on the Lament with Earth offerings. https://www.themanyarehere.com/  Frances Weller: Author and upcoming guest mentioned in relation to "longing for reciprocity." https://www.francisweller.net/  How to Survive the End of the World: Autumn Brown’s podcast. https://endoftheworldshow.org/  Coming Up Next Join us for our next episode, where we speak with Norma Wong (also known as Norma Ryuko Kawelokū Wong Roshi). Norma is a Native Hawaiian and Hakka Zen teacher, the abbot of Anko-in, and an 86th-generation Zen Master. We will explore how she applies Zen and Indigenous values to transformational change in a climate-changed world. Learn more about Norma Wong and her work: https://www.normawong.com/

  8. Apr 14

    If I can’t fix climate grief, then what can I do instead Featuring: Climate Chaplain Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner

    In a world that feels like it’s unraveling, we often feel a desperate urge to "fix" our grief or solve the climate crisis single-handedly. But what if the work of this moment isn't about fixing, but about naming? In this episode, Autumn Brown sits down with Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner, a climate change chaplain who specializes in accompanying people through the "unfixable." Together, they explore the sacred power of naming our feelings, the importance of moving through endings, and how spiritual leadership is less about providing answers and more about the courage to hold one another through uncertainty. GROUNDING PRACTICE (Starts at 01:45) We begin with a reading of the poem "Anthropocene Pastoral" by Catherine Pierce, read by the poet herself. This grounding practice invites us to look directly at the changing world and find our breath amid beauty and loss. KEY TAKEAWAYS The Power of Naming: Naming our climate grief is not a wall; it is a door. When we name what is true, we move from isolation into a shared reality. Survival as Legacy: We are all here because our ancestors survived "the end of the world" in various ways. We carry the capacity to move through endings and emerge changed but whole. Tending vs. Yelling: Moving away from "telling, yelling, and selling" climate alarmism toward "tending, mending, and befriending" our communities. Accompanying vs. Fixing: Spiritual leadership involves "walking with" people in their distress rather than trying to resolve the distress for them. NEXT STEPS & PRACTICES Radical Honesty: Identify one climate-related grief you’ve been carrying. Share it with a friend or write it down. Notice how naming it shifts your relationship to the feeling. Ancestral Resilience: Reflect on an "ending" your ancestors survived. What qualities allowed them to come out on the other side? Ministry of Presence: Practice the sacred act of accompaniment. Listen to someone’s climate fears without offering solutions or "silver linings." RESOURCES MENTIONED The BTS Center: https://thebtscenter.org Exploring Apocolypse with Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner: exploringapocalypse.com Catherine Pierce (Poet): https://catherinepiercepoet.com "Anthropocene Pastoral" (Poem): https://poets.org/poem/anthropocene-pastoral Anthropocene Pastoral Film (Clare Börsch): https://vimeo.com/1059000753 How to Survive the End of the World Podcast: https://endoftheworldshow.org CONNECT WITH US What reflections are surfacing for you? We’d love to hear from you. Email: podcast@thebtscenter.org Voice Message: 207-200-6986 Video Episodes: Search "The BTS Center" on YouTube.com BLESSING May you know that you are loved, that you are worthy of love, just as you are. And may you know that you are capable of great love.

    If I can’t fix climate grief, then what can I do instead Featuring: Climate Chaplain Rabbi Ora Nitkin-Kaner
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Climate Changed explores spiritual leadership and imagination in a climate-changed world. Join hosts Rev. Nicole Diroff and Autumn Brown (from the hit podcast How to Survive the End of the World) as they talk with artists, healers, and frontline leaders who deepen the conversation and stir the waters. A project of The BTS Center.

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    The BTS Center
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    55
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