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Different hosts, different topics, sometimes featured guests: but always about loving Meher Baba in the present tense. Conversations are held live on Baba Zoom at various times. If you want to join the conversation, visit babazoom.net for more information: the calendar of events, and login information is available under the ”Virtual Meetings” page.

  1. 19h ago

    Late Night Chat with Jeff Wolverton: E&G: ” Loving What Is—Yikes!” June 30, 2026, live Baba Zoom

    Dear folks of Baba, Sometimes when I would be with Darwin, he would make surprisingly fundamental observations about the Baba community, not critical but insightful, and I would take special note. On one occasion, he happened to say, very casually, that the Baba lovers don’t seem to be content in themselves and with the world around them. He would say, “Be content with what you have and are…Be satisfied with His companionship.” This led me to ponder how poised and relaxed Darwin always seemed, whatever the outer circumstances. He appeared to be comfortable with “What Is.” Years later, when I was faced with a great conflict that I had been suffering with for a long time, I remembered Darwin’s words. At one point during this period, I happened to read a message of Baba’s that I had read many times over the years, and I saw it in an entirely different light. In His discourse on “Will and Worry”, Baba says, “When the intensity of your faith in My will reaches its height, you say goodbye to worry forever. Then all that you have suffered and enjoyed in the past, together with what you may experience in the future, will be to you the most loving and spontaneous expression of My will.” Like a bolt of lightning, it was absolutely clear in that moment that I definitely did not realize that everything which happens to me is “the most loving and spontaneous expression of His will!” I was lucky if I felt ten percent of what happened to me as loving and spontaneous. As it happens to us from time to time in our life with Baba, the shock of His words now meant that I had to recalibrate; I had to do a radical wholesale re-evaluation of a massive part of my life with Him. At first, rather than being critical of what was happening to me and around me, I determined to at least start with accepting “what is.” I had to stop judging what was happening and be open to it as being “a most loving and spontaneous expression” of Baba’s will. Even though my emotions and feelings might be hurt by others and by life at the lower level, inwardly at a higher level I began asserting that all this is His love. Although this was not my experience, my consciousness began probing deeply into what was happening before me, with its oftentimes negativity and harshness. I contemplated the state that Darwin must have arrived at to be so accepting of life. It was during this same time that a book came into my hands, the autobiography of Roshi Kennett, the first female Zen priest in Japan. She was British, and it was shortly after World War II when there was still great animosity felt by the Japanese toward the British. As a result, she suffered enormous persecution by the establishment of the Zen monastery, which drove her eventually to find a place within her that was unassailable to persecution. She writes of that inner achievement: “The only thing I can possibly do in order to learn anything is to accept, with unswerving faith, everything that is happening to me, believing that it is all for my good, whatever it may be. If I respond in any other way, then I shall always be saying that this person is good or that one is bad…I must see what they do as being intrinsically good at all times, even when it works against me.” Her words were an immense challenge to me. Of course, I realized that she didn’t mean that we have to martyr ourselves and tolerate abuse if we can avoid it. Some believe that God is even punishing them, but Eruch would share this metaphor: Baba is a statue (and by extension our own soul), and if we hit the statue, we can’t say that the statue is hurting us; we are hurting ourselves. Baba helped in this overall re-evaluation process. He brought home to me one day that to be critical of others is to judge the work He is doing in each one. If He could awaken more love in someone without forcing it on them, He would already have succeeded. But, as He has said, love cannot be coerced, and even He has to submit to His own law of love. I felt compassion for the Compassionate One and His unfailing efforts to awaken us to love. In recent years, Mehera, Baba’s Beloved, brought home indelibly to me in a moment a most extraordinary truth—it is all pure love! That is, there is really no such thing as gradations of love. Here is what Baba and observing the mandali eventually brought me to after many years. I found that it is essential that I say yes to “what is” in the moment, which keeps me fully open to what is happening, and then afterwards to consult my heart: What is it prompting me to do in response? I feel more clearly than ever that it is really my Beloved who is playing all these parts for everyone’s awakening and ultimate good. In His love, Jeff

    1h 20m
  2. Jun 16

    Late Night Chat with Jeff Wolverton: E&G: ”A Gift from Mehera,” June 15, 2026, live Baba Zoom

    Dear folks of Baba, My computer is still being repaired and so I am handicapped in what I can do as far as writing goes. For this reason, I am sending out an exchange I witnessed years ago of a woman who was saying goodbye to Mehera at Meherazad. It was one of those pivotal moments for me in my inner life with Baba in what it conveyed about moods and detachment. Such priceless moments naturally occurred around Baba’s mandali without their necessarily knowing their profound impact. I hope you find it helpful as it was for me. LOVE MUST BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT I found that I absorbed in a very natural way many profound truths in being with the mandali. Here is one example. One deep insight came in a way that on the surface wouldn’t be obvious at all, and this happened one day at Meherazad with Baba’s Beloved Mehera. It was back in the early 1970s when I was young and immature in Baba. Mehera was standing on the porch of the Main House, saying goodbye to a young woman whose pilgrimage had come to an end; she was on her way back to the West. I was there just to say goodbye for the day before going back to Meherabad. Mehera lovingly encouraged the young woman to take Baba with her, not to worry, that Baba would take care of her, and at one point she surprised me, saying, “Sometimes we feel empty and depressed, but we know Baba wants us to be cheerful, so we make efforts to be cheerful.” This made a profound impression on me. I thought to myself, “She is the beloved of the Beloved, and for decades she has been next to the source of all Love, and yet she doesn’t always experience a joyous heart full of Baba’s love?” I concluded, "Then love must be something different from what I had thought.” For I experienced Mehera as the most loving person I had ever met, always radiating Baba’s love, and yet her experience in herself was not always of that love, but actually could be of emptiness. Up to that point, I took the feeling of Baba’s love in my heart as the sign that I was on the right track, Baba was with me; and when I would lose that feeling, I agonized over what I must have done wrong. I’d struggle to get the feeling back. Desperately. But after this small exchange with Mehera, I rarely ever worried again about how I was feeling. I never felt bad if I experienced emptiness or sunk into a low mood. I was able to see after this that love was on a different track altogether; it came from a different dimension within me. I would notice, for example, in times when I felt depressed or sad, my mood never prevented me from responding to a situation with love. Love was not dependent upon my mood or the state of my feelings. Nor did my moods take away from my love. Love was independent. And after that, I didn’t take it personally when I wasn’t experiencing Baba’s love in my heart. I would leave that up to His timing, and I would be deeply grateful when it happened. Baba once said, “Feelings and emotions are only the creation of energy and mind. Love is the creation of the soul.” Over time, I came to experience my consciousness, to use a metaphor, as the earth’s atmosphere, and moods and emotional states are like weather systems passing through it. If I identified with a raging storm in the atmosphere, I would be buffeted around by winds, but if I didn’t identify with the storm, it would pass through me much more quickly and I would not be pulled in. Years later, I began to see moods and emotional states like the seasons. It is not possible to stay in the springtime of moods like many spiritual groups advocate. Spring has to give way to summer where things heat up and a listlessness sets in. Then autumn comes and the natural world begins to shut down, the temperatures cool in a way that’s invigorating. But that doesn’t last. Winter comes, and everything dies back; there can be a feeling of emptiness and nature appears lifeless. These natural cycles are like the feelings and emotions moving naturally through us. And yet all the time, Baba’s love is behind the cycle of these emotional seasons, untouched, independent, ever accessible to us. It is like Mehera’s expansive, gentle and ever-embracing love, which she radiated so beautifully to us, even though she herself might be feeling sad and weary. How amazing that because of such a seemingly minor incident, with only a few words spoken, such a profound truth about moods and feelings was communicated, which has made such a difference in my life. But I know well, that Baba’s close mandali are completely linked to His divinity and so many deep truths naturally just flowed from them, whether they were aware of it or not. Later, I read where Baba had said to Arnavaz Dadachanji, who was complaining to Him that she wasn’t feeling Him, “I never said to feel me. I said to love me.” So true. In His love, Jeff We are continuing on page 105 A link to the PDF of Effort and Grace: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xrR75eksY-tErdKZm9aOBs3omuhioasb/view?usp=sharing

    1h 21m
  3. Jun 4

    Late Night Chat with Jeff Wolverton: E&G: ”Our Real Work” June 1, 2026, live Baba Zoom

    The Topic: Our Real Work Dear folks of Baba, In this chapter on Our Real Work, Darwin talks about finding what type of service we feel suited to do for Baba. A large percentage of the Baba people are in the healing and service professions, but the majority have positions in a wide range of vocations. Whatever the field, it is possible to serve Baba and participate in His work in the world. I came from a politically active family, and so when I began working at the Center, primarily on the cabin crew, I initially wondered what cleaning cabins has to do with serving the world and contributing to its spiritual upliftment. Reading the following passage from Baba’s discourses helped me understand that it doesn’t really matter what we do externally. That we dedicate our work wholeheartedly to Baba is enough. He wrote: "The unity and solidarity of the inner plane makes it possible for the Master to use his disciple as a medium for his work even when the disciple is unconscious of serving this larger purpose of the Master. This is possible because the disciple, through his love and understanding of the Master as well as his obedience and surrender, establishes a rapport with the Master and comes into tune with him. Those who come into direct contact with the Master receive his direct help, and those who are closely connected with his disciple receive the Master's indirect help. Sharing of spiritual work is by no means one-sided; even the disciples who merely think of the Master or meditate upon him have the privilege of sharing the spiritual and universal work in which the Master might be engaged at that moment. As he is one with eternity, the Master is beyond time and all limitations of time; as he is also interested in the spiritual upliftment of humanity, he assumes many of the limitations of time and his work can be helped by the voluntary co-operation of his disciples. The Master feeds upon the love of his disciples and utilizes the spiritual forces released by them for his universal work. In this way the Master is like the relaying station which receives a song only in order to broadcast it to the world at large. To love the Master is to love all, not merely symbolically but actually; for what the Master receives on the subtle planes he spiritualizes and distributes. Thus he not only strengthens the personal links which the disciples may have with him but also gives them the privilege of sharing his divine work." Whether we are taking Baba’s name with each stride in our morning jog, or designing our flower garden as a loving gift for Him, offering our morning and evening prayers to Him, composing a song to share with His lovers, stirring His name into the batter of the cake we're baking for someone’s birthday, bringing our kids to the Center in Myrtle Beach so they can be in His loving atmosphere, attending wholeheartedly to all the small details involved in our office job—in countless ways we can bring our day in tune with Baba’s loving presence, knowing that He is always pleased with anything we do for Him. In fact, He has said, “Whatever you do for Me is done by Me." Even when circumstances don’t allow for the outer expression of love, we can always emanate Baba’s love from within. In all that we do, as He says, we can allow Him to work through us for the "spiritual upliftment of the world," even if we are not aware of it. Is it really necessary to be aware of this higher purpose? Whatever our outer work, our inner effort is best focused on and occupied with expressing in the world the divine qualities of “truth, love, purity and beauty.” As Darwin says, “We open up to the Master within and invite His divine impressions to filter in through our heart center.” They are “there already, resident in the heart” and only need to be awakened. In our efforts with Baba, our personality, rather than being a base of operations, is gradually transmuted into being a vehicle for His love. Darwin says, “We are heading for a life of service, and on the spiritual path, each of us has a duty to perform. Everyone who comes to Baba is put to work.” How will we serve Baba? “Golden opportunities for service to Meher Baba will come up,” Darwin assured us. “Even just loving Baba is a great service, because that love is going out, affecting the environment and counteracting at least some of the negative forces that are out there…Baba would often have people as useful tools—avenues or channels—for His work. They did not necessarily know what was happening; they were just being themselves. “ “Serving the Master is a joy for the disciple, even when it means an ordeal that tries his body or mind.” Meher Baba In His love, Jeff We are continuing on page 100. A link to the PDF of Effort and Grace: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xrR75eksY-tErdKZm9aOBs3omuhioasb/view?usp=sharing

    1h 11m
  4. May 26

    Late Night Chat with Jeff Wolverton: E&G: ”Our Personality Self,” May 25, 2026, live Baba Zoom

    Dear folks of Baba, Back in 1970, I was a young adult living in Schenectady, N.Y. near Darwin and Jeanne Shaw, two of Baba’s early Western followers who had met Him in the 1930s. The meetings held at their home were magical and brimming over with love. Darwin would read one of Baba’s discourses and share invaluable insights with us, and we always felt free to ask questions about what we could do to cultivate the inner life with Baba. It was after one of these meetings, as we were standing around in their living room enjoying apple juice and oatmeal cookies provided by Jeanne, that Darwin looked over very casually at me and said, “Jeff, you are not the personality self.” This Jeff is not me, I thought? I had no place to put that. I don’t think it had ever occurred to me that I wasn’t Jeff! Up until then I had thought that the whole purpose of this life was to get to know myself, to delve deeper and go on improving myself and improving myself until I reached the goal. And here, in his low-key, unassuming way, Darwin was basically telling me I’m barking up the wrong tree! I felt the truth of his words at a deep level within, and I thought, I’ll just file that away for now and see if I evolve into the truth of his words. Over the following decades, I worked on developing some inner space between my awareness (what Baba calls our “witness-consciousness”) and the personality self. In Darwin’s words, “The personality self is just a storefront for the soul. We put so much importance on the window displays, dressing them up and changing them with the seasons, when we could go within and enjoy the priceless merchandise.” This movement toward the timeless and spacious realm within is at the core of Darwin’s book, Effort and Grace, illustrated with ways to bring this about pro-actively. How do we create and develop inner space between our consciousness on the one side and our personality self on the other? One of the major ways is to think of our personality self as a vehicle, a conduit as Darwin would say, through which Baba can express the deeper feelings of our heart. This entails gradually giving up our selfish ambitions, desires and compelling emotions that drag us back time after time into identifying as only our personality self. And if we identify ourself as only our personality, we will respond to others as only personalities and fail to connect to their soul, which is behind and deeper than their personality. That is, our attention will be distracted by their window displays, and we will invariably relate to others, storefront to storefront, so to speak, not soul to soul. What experiences in your life have given you the sense that you are not actually the personality self? Do you find that this realization is a shock or a relief? What emotional experiences, cravings and thought patterns cause you to leave your detached awareness (“witness-consciousness”) and jump back into a heavy identification with your personality? How successful have you been in surrendering some of the heavy baggage and burden of the personality self to Baba? “Sooner or later, you discover you are nobody, and that is not an unhappy discovery!” - Darwin Shaw More Briefly in His love, Jeff We are continuing on page 96. This event was recorded live. To be first to be notified of a new video on this channel, please hit the red subscribe button, then the notifications bell. To join future live events, see www.babazoom.net. Please join our Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/meherbabafamily

    1h 17m

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Different hosts, different topics, sometimes featured guests: but always about loving Meher Baba in the present tense. Conversations are held live on Baba Zoom at various times. If you want to join the conversation, visit babazoom.net for more information: the calendar of events, and login information is available under the ”Virtual Meetings” page.