Do Human Work

7AI

Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.

  1. 5D AGO

    Not All Agents Are Created Equal featuring Brian Fricke

    Breakout time has collapsed from 285 minutes to 17 seconds. Attackers are running orchestration agents around the clock while defenders are still scheduling a meeting about it.  Brian Fricke, CISO at AutoNation, has done something rare. He's built security programs from the ground up four times across the military, government, and heavily regulated financial institutions. He joins Nate and Lior, live from RSAC, to break down the governance mistake almost every organization is making with AI agents right now, and what a risk-tiered framework actually looks like in practice. Impactful Moments:  00:00 – Introduction 01:00 – Brian's background: four programs built from scratch 05:10 – Why bad guys don't have a human-in-the-loop problem 08:00 – How to structure an information security program: the full framework 11:50 – Not everything needs AI: the case for deterministic automation 15:00 – The four agent types and why risk tiering matters for governance 19:00 – Why vendors should start agents in read-only mode and earn trust 20:50 – People on the loop, not in the loop 30:00 – Attackers are running at machine speed, defenders are running at meeting speed 33:00 – The inflection point: finding attacks no other tool caught 38:40 – Unpopular opinion: CISOs would make the best CIOs 41:00 – What security teams look like in the future: upscaling with the next agents   Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    43 min

  2. APR 16

    The SOC Is a Ticking Clock featuring Anthony LaForte

    The cybersecurity industry has spent decades throwing bodies at the same three problems: too much noise, not enough context, and not enough budget. AI didn't create those problems, but it's about to make ignoring them dangerous. Recorded at RSAC Conference 2026, Nate and Lior sat down with Anthony LaForte, Director of Cyber Operations at an HR and benefits tech company protecting the financial and health data of millions. Anthony came up through forensics, malware reverse engineering, and SOC leadership at McKesson, where a mentor told him on day one that a wrong move here means someone dies. That reality never left him, and it shapes everything about how he thinks about security, risk, and what it means to lead in a world where attackers are automating faster than defenders can adapt. Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction 03:22 – Attacker mindset shapes every decision 05:00 – AI lowers attacker barriers, raises ours 10:18 – "If you screw up, people die" 11:45 – 200,000 alerts tuned down manually 15:10 – 800 alerts, one real threat hidden inside 17:00 – Vulnerability management is broken everywhere 22:10 – Security was a point-in-time decision 27:45 – Strategy and judgment belong to humans 34:20 – 25% back? He'd mentor his team 42:05 – "I don't think there'll be a SOC in five years" Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    44 min

  3. 12/04/2025

    302 Days From Stealth to the Largest Cybersecurity Series A in History

    302 days ago we launched from stealth with a belief that sounded almost reckless: that AI agents could do the repetitive security work that burns out defenders and buries teams in false positives. Today we're announcing that 7AI has raised a $130 million Series A led by Index Ventures, with Blackstone joining as a new investor alongside Greylock, CRV, and Spark. To mark this milestone, we recorded a special episode of the DO HUMAN WORK podcast with Lior Div (CEO & Co-Founder) and Yonatan Striem Amit (CTO & Co-Founder). In this episode, they share what this announcement truly means, not just for 7AI, but for customers and for security teams everywhere. Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction 01:00 – 7AI secures $130 million Series A 02:30 – The impact of investor belief 03:00 – Industry-first: AI's reliability in cybersecurity 05:00 – Trusting AI for consistent outcomes 07:00 – What is the Plaid Model? 09:30 – Fighting AI threats with AI solutions 11:00 – Advancing security from human work to AI-driven operations 14:00 – Future-proofing with federated data 16:00 – Elevating security teams with AI-driven investigations Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    19 min

  4. 11/25/2025

    Cyber Leadership without the Ego featuring Olivia Phillips

    Most cybersecurity conversations obsess over tools, threats, and tech. But what if the real evolution is happening in the human layer, a shift most in the industry aren’t used to seeing? In this episode, BISO and industry voice Olivia Phillips join Nate and Lior to redefine what effective security leadership looks like in the age of AI. Olivia shares insights from behavioral science, organizational psychology, and decades of cyber experience, revealing why influence without authority, real transparency, and emotional intelligence are now core cybersecurity capabilities. She also discusses the future impact of quantum, the shift toward value-driven security investments, and why trust is earned, not given. Impactful Moments: 00:00 — Introduction 01:00 — What is a BISO 03:00 — AI, quantum, and the next era 05:30 — Building influence without authority 09:00 — Security ROI: “Show me the value” 11:00 — Ego, communication, and human dynamics 14:00 — Trust: hard to earn, easy to lose 17:00 — How real AI adoption happens 22:00 — If Olivia got 25% of her time back 29:00 — Transparency, feedback, and leadership growth 34:00 — Chaos, creativity, and the “cyber misfit” mindset Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    47 min

  5. 11/20/2025

    Fight Fire With Fire: Using AI to Outpace Attackers featuring Ron Eddings

    How is AI reshaping the cybersecurity landscape, and what does this mean for the future of cyber professionals? In this episode, Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Ron Eddings, a gen AI security researcher and co-founder and CEO of Hacker Valley Media, to explore these pressing questions. Ron discusses his journey from a traditional cybersecurity role to becoming a thought leader and content creator focused on the confluence of humanity and technology. The conversation delves into Ron’s belief that AI will one day replace many cybersecurity roles, but not without creating opportunities for new, more strategic positions. They also explore the notion of AI agents, multi-agents, and the potential magic of a model context protocol. Throughout the episode, Ron offers insights into how AI can eliminate repetitive, non-human tasks, freeing up time for creativity and strategic thinking. He elaborates on his contrarian belief in the capacity of AI to eventually overhaul cybersecurity jobs, for the better. Together, the hosts and Ron reflect on how the integration of AI in cybersecurity will redefine the way we talk, train, and work in this field. Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction 01:00 – Ron’s mission in cybersecurity content 02:00 – From mental athlete to thought leader 03:00 – Creating a platform, not just a podcast 07:00 – AI’s impact on Tier One analysts 10:00 – AI agents explained through a personal story 12:00 – The evolution to multi-agent systems 15:00 – Real-time data challenges in AI development 24:00 – Providing exceptional value in the experience age 25:00 – Contemplating the future: AI to replace cybersecurity jobs Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    34 min

  6. 11/10/2025

    Building Trust in AI: Governance that Empowers featuring Dirce Hernandez

    In this episode of Do Human Work, Nate Burke and Lior Div sit down with Dirce Hernandez, Sr. Cybersecurity GRC Manager and adjunct professor, to demystify AI governance beyond the buzzwords. From defining governance in plain language to setting practical guardrails like policies, steering groups, and human-in-the-loop reviews, Dirce shares how organizations can innovate without risking shadow AI, data leakage, or checkbox compliance. He also digs into higher ed’s adoption curve, how explainability is becoming non-negotiable with regulators, and why leadership buy-in beats tool sprawl. Plus: actionable career advice for students and pros alike, evolving certifications (CCSK and beyond), and how AI can supercharge upskilling paths without replacing human judgment. Impactful Moments 00:00 – Defining real AI governance 02:15 – Why tech alone can’t solve it 05:30 – Guardrails begin with clear policy 07:05 – The role of human-in-the-loop 09:40 – Explainability meets regulation 12:50 – Leadership buy-in before implementation 15:10 – Building trust beyond checkbox compliance 18:00 – Mentoring to close the talent gap 19:20 – AI accelerating upskilling in cybersecurity 26:10 – Certifications and GRC evolve for the AI era Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    33 min

  7. 10/07/2025

    People-Led, AI-Driven: When Humans Lead, Tech Follows featuring Wayman Cummings

    In this episode of Do Human Work, Nate Burke and Lior Div welcome Wayman Cummings, the Chief Information Security Officer at Ochsner Health Systems, to discuss the revolutionary role of AI in cybersecurity. From pioneering the use of robots at the Super Bowl to insights on mentoring diverse teams, Wayman shares his vision for AI as an enabler of human potential. The episode explores how he integrates AI into cybersecurity practices to empower defenders and why he believes in choosing partners over vendors for collaborative success. Wayman also provides a unique perspective on hiring practices that could transform cybersecurity teams, focusing on unconventional backgrounds and innate problem-solving abilities rather than traditional experience. As AI continues to reshape industries, Wayman envisions a future where technology works hand-in-hand with human ingenuity, creating powerful synergies and new opportunities for growth.   Impactful Moments: 00:00 – Introduction 01:20 – Augmented intelligence at the Super Bowl 02:45 – AI in cybersecurity threats and defense 05:55 – Partnership over vendors in tech 08:10 – Unconventional hiring practices 10:30 – Applying unique analyst skills 12:45 – AI's role in understanding threats 18:05 – Predictive analysis using AI 22:30 – Unreasonable hospitality in healthcare 25:00 – The future of AI and human collaboration 27:20 – Humility and communication for aspiring CISOs   Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    28 min

  8. 09/22/2025

    Balancing Innovation and Risk with AI featuring Bill Brown

    What insights from past IT revolutions should today's CISOs understand, and how can AI transform cybersecurity in healthcare? Bill Brown, Chief Information Security Officer and Chief Information Officer at Abacus Insights, joins hosts Nate Burke and guest host, Yonatan Striem-Amit, for an engaging discussion on AI's role in securing sensitive healthcare data. Brown shares his journey from IT in the early days to leading security at Abacus Insights, emphasizing the balance between innovation and risk. Discover how AI is reshaping cybersecurity and hear unique insights into transforming traditional roles. Impactful Moments:  00:00 - Introduction 01:00 - Guest introduction: Bill Brown 02:30 - Lessons from past IT revolutions 03:40 - Bill Brown's career journey 05:20 - Challenges in protecting healthcare data 07:00 - AI's role in healthcare insights 10:30 - Impact of AI on compliance and efficiency 15:00 - Balancing security with innovation 20:20 - Importance of balancing human work with AI   Interested in being a guest or want to recommend someone? Reach out to us at DoHumanWork@7ai.com

    30 min
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Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.

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    7AI
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    16
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