Extraordinary Conversations

Dr. Toby Campbell

Hi, I’m Dr. Toby Campbell—a palliative care physician and communication researcher at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. For the past twenty years, I’ve studied how doctors and patients navigate tough conversations, especially when facing life-changing decisions. But nothing could have prepared me for one of the most unique and profound discussions in medicine: the request for organ donation. What makes this conversation so extraordinary? It’s the only time in healthcare where the decision doesn’t directly help the patient but instead gives someone else a second chance at life. These difficult conversations sparked my interest in learning about the nuances of organ donation and the lived experiences of everyone touched by this process. How, where, and when do these discussions happen? How do healthcare professionals prepare for such a massive task, and what language do they use? How do families respond to such requests and make an extremely difficult decision on behalf of their loved ones? Is organ procurement just like any surgery? What do recipients think about organ donors? How do recipients find living donors? And what struggles do they endure before and after receiving an organ? To explore these questions, I’ve sat down with donor families, transplant surgeons, medical doctors, organ recipients, recovery specialists, and many others who’ve been touched by this journey. Their stories are powerful, surprising, and profoundly moving. I hope you’ll join me as we uncover the heart, the science, and the humanity behind organ donation.

Episodes

  1. Extraordinary Conversations Ep 6 -Kidney and Liver Recipients

    12/09/2025

    Extraordinary Conversations Ep 6 -Kidney and Liver Recipients

    Featured in this episode: Breanne Wychterley, Brian Web and Tonita, John Jartz, Rod and Patti Meier, Matt Troha, Dr. Aji Djamali, Dr. Jacfranz Guiteau Summary What does it mean to receive the ultimate gift, one that comes not wrapped in paper, but in sacrifice? In this profound final episode, we meet the recipients: people whose lives were saved by kidney and liver transplants, and the extraordinary individuals who gave them. For Breanne, it was her sister who stepped forward without hesitation. For John, it was his doctor, a man who crossed professional boundaries to become family. For Brian and Rod, it was strangers they’ll never meet, whose deaths became their second chance. Their stories reveal the complex emotional landscape of transplantation: the crushing weight of dialysis, the agony of waiting, the guilt of "taking," and the overwhelming gratitude of being given more time. But this episode is also about the donors, those who gave parts of themselves so others might live. Like Dr. Djamali, the nephrologist who donated a kidney to his patient, forging a bond deeper than blood. Or Breanne’s sister, who shrugged off being called a hero. And the unnamed donor families who, in their grief, chose to send letters, photos, even invitations into their lives, seeking solace in knowing their loved ones live on. The gift of an organ is not a cure. It’s a trade. One life altered so another can continue. Recipients face lifelong medications, the specter of rejection, and the haunting knowledge that their survival is tied to another’s loss. Yet in that tension, there is transformation. Relationships deepen, priorities shift, and small moments become sacred. As this season closes, we’re left with a question: What does it mean to truly receive? Not just to survive, but to honor the gift by living fully with all its messy, ordinary, and extraordinary beauty.

    49 min
  2. Extraordinary Conversations

    05/28/2025

    Extraordinary Conversations

    This powerful episode takes a deep dive into the unseen, emotionally charged world of organ transplant recovery where urgency and reverence collide. Host Toby shadows a surgical team on a 2 AM mission to Marshfield to retrieve organs from a donor, revealing the complex logistics, split-second decisions, and profound humanity behind the process. Every step of organ recovery is a race against time. The recovery team shares gripping stories about the weight of meeting grieving families, the heart-stopping moment when an organ’s viability hangs in the balance, and the sacred ritual of the "moment of silence" where donors are honored not as medical cases but as people whose legacies will save lives. Surgeons and coordinators open up about the emotional toll of working in the organ recovery field. They share how they compartmentalize grief to do their jobs, only to break down later when a donor’s story hits too close to home. They grapple with ethical dilemmas, like declining an organ that could fail in a recipient, and the bittersweet reality that their work thrives on tragedy. Yet, amid the exhaustion, they find purpose: the indescribable rush of seeing an organ "wake up" in its new body. The episode closes with a devastatingly beautiful letter from a mother whose 14-year-old son died by suicide, read aloud in the OR, a reminder that every donor was someone’s else world. This episode is a lasting tribute to the invisible heroes who turn loss into second chances. Your opinion matters! Please take a few minutes to complete this survey to share your thoughts, feedback, and suggestions for the future season of Extraordinary Conversations. https://uwmadison.co1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_aY7QYrKjGh8g1zE

    51 min

Ratings & Reviews

5
out of 5
7 Ratings

About

Hi, I’m Dr. Toby Campbell—a palliative care physician and communication researcher at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. For the past twenty years, I’ve studied how doctors and patients navigate tough conversations, especially when facing life-changing decisions. But nothing could have prepared me for one of the most unique and profound discussions in medicine: the request for organ donation. What makes this conversation so extraordinary? It’s the only time in healthcare where the decision doesn’t directly help the patient but instead gives someone else a second chance at life. These difficult conversations sparked my interest in learning about the nuances of organ donation and the lived experiences of everyone touched by this process. How, where, and when do these discussions happen? How do healthcare professionals prepare for such a massive task, and what language do they use? How do families respond to such requests and make an extremely difficult decision on behalf of their loved ones? Is organ procurement just like any surgery? What do recipients think about organ donors? How do recipients find living donors? And what struggles do they endure before and after receiving an organ? To explore these questions, I’ve sat down with donor families, transplant surgeons, medical doctors, organ recipients, recovery specialists, and many others who’ve been touched by this journey. Their stories are powerful, surprising, and profoundly moving. I hope you’ll join me as we uncover the heart, the science, and the humanity behind organ donation.