Finding Your Summit

Mark Pattison

Finding Your Summit with Mark Pattison explores resilience, leadership, peak performance, and overcoming adversity. Mark is a former NFL player, Seven Summits mountaineer, Mount Everest summiter, Emmy Award winner, entrepreneur, author, and former Sports Illustrated executive. Through inspiring conversations with athletes, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and adventurers, discover powerful lessons on mental toughness, personal growth, success, and achieving meaningful goals in business and life.

  1. 1d ago

    EP 312: Tim Hovland -From Manhattan Beach to Hall of Fame: Inside the Golden Era of Beach Volleyball

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Tim Hovland, an International Hall of Fame beach volleyball legend, five-time Manhattan Beach Open champion, and four-time world champion who dominated the AVP tour throughout the 1980s and 90s with 60 career wins including 53 with his longtime partner Mike Dodd, revealing why the greatest era of beach volleyball wasn't just about athletic dominance but about selling the California lifestyle to packed crowds of 20,000 people who traveled from Colorado to Kentucky to live the dream for a weekend, how maintaining relationships with sponsors like Miller Lite by going out all night with executives after competing for six hours in the sun created an entertainment spectacle that will never be replicated, and why the upcoming documentary Kings of the Beach captures the reality of an era when bikini contests happened mid-tournament, matches lasted five hours under brutal conditions, and four legendary competitors spent two decades promoting a sport while battling each other with mutual respect and occasional hatred. In this deeply nostalgic and authentic conversation between two elite athletes who lived through the golden age of their respective sports, Tim shares his extraordinary journey from growing up at Westport Beach Club in the South Bay playing every sport imaginable to choosing volleyball over football scholarship offers because getting hit by Ronnie Lott in USC practice was too intense, to forming an unstoppable partnership with Mike Dodd that earned them the nickname big game hunters for winning five Manhattan Beach Opens, four Hermosas, and four world championships while letting Sinjin Smith and Randy Stoklos take any Rhode Island tournament they wanted, to spending nine years playing professionally in Italy before returning to dominate the AVP tour during an era when you could make half a million dollars in sponsorships before stepping on the sand and Miller Lite would fly you around the country for eight live NBC broadcasts that brought beach volleyball into America's living rooms. This episode offers a masterclass in understanding how lifestyle sports explode and why they crater, demonstrating why side out scoring that created 30 minute rallies and six hour finals produced a completely different game than today's point per serve format that ends matches in 45 minutes, how the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles paradoxically caused beach volleyball to crater the following years instead of explode despite the indoor team winning gold, and why the next generation of players who won tournaments but didn't spend nights taking care of VIP sponsors and creating relationships failed to carry the torch that kept Miller Lite, Jose Cuervo, and NBC invested in broadcasting a sport that was essentially selling California to the rest of America. Tim opens up about meeting Mike Dodd while training for the Olympic indoor team in San Diego and discovering after practice they would play beach volleyball for four or five more hours against Karch Kiraly and Sinjin Smith until they realized they were pretty damn good and should stay together for what became 14 years, the reality that he and Dodd own 60 feet of the Manhattan Beach pier because every champion's name gets engraved in tile and winning Manhattan five times means you're forever embedded in the most prestigious tournament in the sport, why getting your name on that pier matters more than 25 other tournament wins because if you don't win Manhattan you're not going to be one of those guys, the heated rivalry with Sinjin Smith and Randy Stoklos that produced countless finals where mutual respect coexisted with genuine dislike because when you play someone for hours and days and years you hate your opponent in the moment but respect what it takes to compete at that level, how the documentary Kings of the Beach brings together all four legends in one room for the first time in 30 years to share their perspectives on an era that started in the 70s, exploded in the 80s, and faded in the 90s when the vibe changed and sponsors walked away, and why at 60 years old he still plays twice a week at 215 pounds because this is what he was meant to do and the South Bay is where his roots run so deep he has no desire to go anywhere else. Key Topics Discussed: From Multi Sport Athlete to Beach Volleyball Legend: Why Choosing the Right Path Matters More Than Taking the Obvious One Tim reveals how growing up at Westport Beach Club in the South Bay meant playing volleyball, surfing, and doing everything beach related from a young age while also excelling at football, basketball, and baseball. Discover why he had scholarship offers in all three sports but chose volleyball at USC despite football being the more traditional path, and how practicing against Ronnie Lott who was coming across the middle like a freight train made it clear that football was just a little bit too intense for what he wanted. Learn why becoming an All American at USC...

    EP 312: Tim Hovland -From Manhattan Beach to Hall of Fame: Inside the Golden Era of Beach Volleyball
  2. Sep 8

    EP 311: Conrad Weaver - 3,500 Miles Across America: Pedaling Into the Storm for First Responders

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Conrad Weaver, a filmmaker, leadership expert, and endurance cyclist who spent 65 days riding 3,500 miles across America from Astoria, Oregon to Maryland while screening his documentary PTSD 911 in 14 cities along the way, revealing why the hardest phone call he made wasn't to family but to his support crew asking for help when lightning storms threatened his life in Wyoming, how watching a Ryan Van Duzer YouTube series during COVID transformed a bucket list idea into a coast to coast mission serving first responders in every community, and why a broken spoke and exploded tire in Nebraska that forced him back to a bike shop wasn't bad luck but divine appointment so one struggling shop owner could unload a year from hell to someone who would actually listen. In this deeply inspiring and practical conversation between two high achievers who understand that hard things are hard and storms change us in ways easy days never can, Conrad shares his extraordinary journey from weekend warrior cyclist to producing the film PTSD 911 about first responders and post traumatic stress, to recruiting his buddy John three weeks before retirement with a simple question about riding from Oregon to Maryland, to navigating interstates with semi trucks passing at 60 miles an hour just inches away while wearing fluorescent yellow and shouting a*****e ratings based on how close vehicles came, to approaching West Yellowstone with beautiful tailwinds only to see massive black clouds ahead and realizing they had no choice but to pedal directly into the storm with lightning all around because sometimes in life you don't have an option but to face what's coming. This episode offers a masterclass in asking for help and understanding that denying people the opportunity to serve actually hurts the relationship and makes them miss a blessing, demonstrating why pain is always temporary whether you're climbing Lolo Pass with a loaded bicycle or responding to fatal overdoses as a first responder who never gets a break from carrying that heavy load, how the mission matters more than the miles when you're riding to bring a message about mental health to communities across America, and why going through storms rather than around them teaches lessons that transform how you approach every hard thing that follows. Conrad opens up about becoming a filmmaker almost by accident 15 years ago and falling in love with documentary storytelling that let him meet amazing people and go on experiences normal people don't get to have, doing ride alongs with law enforcement during the opioid crisis for his film Heroin's Grip and asking one officer if PTSD was a thing only to hear her say if you want to make a movie about that I'll do anything I can to help you, the reality that every community has first responders serving at their own risk physically but even more importantly mentally especially with defund police movements and recruiting shortages creating overtime and stress that keeps ratcheting up, why his primary sponsor Joe texted three weeks before departure saying I did something I bought an RV I'm coming with you which provided support that ranged from blocking traffic on a mile long Maryland bridge to being an hour away when they went days without seeing the crew, the pivotal moment riding up Lolo Pass in Montana when he looked at John and said our first responders are carrying a heavy load but they don't get a break we're going to stop at a cafe in a couple hours our pain is temporary but theirs lasts a lifetime so we can keep going, and how sitting in a hotel room after his front tire exploded 25 miles from the bike shop he realized all the broken spokes and punctured tubes happened so one gentleman could unload his story to someone who would listen because sometimes when you're going through hard stuff you don't understand why until later. Key Topics Discussed: From YouTube During COVID to Coast to Coast Mission: Why Bucket Lists Become Reality When Purpose Meets Preparation Conrad reveals how pulling the plug on cable during COVID and discovering Ryan Van Duzer's bicycle travel videos transformed a years long bucket list item into an actual plan to ride across America. Discover why he was producing the film PTSD 911 about first responders and post traumatic stress when he realized there are first responders in every community and firehouses often have bunk rooms, and how this sparked the idea to make it a coast to coast tour of the film starting in Astoria Oregon and ending in Maryland stopping in cities along the way to connect with first responders. Learn why recruiting his buddy John who was about to retire from his government job happened with a simple question hey John do you want to go on a bike ride and when John asked where Conrad said how about Oregon to Maryland, and how John thought about it for a second and said okay I'm in just like that. Hear about securing Priority Bicycles as a sponsor...

    EP 311: Conrad Weaver - 3,500 Miles Across America: Pedaling Into the Storm for First Responders
  3. Sep 1

    EP: Jenn Drummond - Mother of Seven to World Record Mountaineer: She Found her Summit!!!

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Jen Drummond, a world record holder, mother of seven, and resilient mountaineer who became the first woman to climb the seven second summits across all continents, revealing why a near death car crash in 2018 transformed her from a ghost of herself running classroom parties in turkey sweaters to a force of nature tackling the world's most dangerous peaks, how years of fertility struggles that produced 14 embryos and eventually seven children taught her that time passes whether you keep trying or not, and why her biggest fear climbing Everest wasn't the mountain itself but whether her kids would be okay if she didn't come home. In this deeply authentic and inspiring conversation between two mountaineers who understand that life's greatest achievements often emerge from our darkest moments, Jen shares her extraordinary journey from struggling with infertility and building a family of seven through IVF to nearly dying in a car accident that flipped her vehicle repeatedly and forced her to confront the some days list she'd been pushing away while being the good mom, to standing at Everest base camp where her kids tracked her progress from school and learned that going up and coming back down isn't failure but progress, to losing friends like Rick Allen and Bam Bam on Broad Peak and K2 which ultimately shifted her perspective on what risks are worth taking. This episode offers a masterclass in choosing people over peaks and finding balance between pursuing excellence and being present for what matters most, demonstrating why giving yourself permission to do things that excite you makes you a happier healthier version of yourself which gives your kids permission to be happier healthier versions of themselves, how self guiding Denali with her 16 year old son and summiting together represented the perfect full circle moment after years of climbing alone, and why launching the Somedays app to help people get offline and into real life living their dreams represents the next chapter after proving mountains can be conquered but memories with family last forever. Key Topics Discussed: From Fertility Struggles to Seven Kids: Why Trying Anyway Changed Everything Jen reveals the often overlooked reality behind her family of seven, explaining how she struggled with fertility for years experiencing the monthly devastation of negative pregnancy tests and the shame story that the one thing she was born to do her body wouldn't do. Discover why sitting in the fertility clinic parking lot sobbing before pulling herself together to go back inside became a regular ritual, and how a chemical cocktail that turned her into a hen producing more eggs in one cycle than the previous five years led to 14 embryos. Learn why planting two embryos at a time resulted in single births over and over until she had five boys, and how the final two embryos they said wouldn't survive the thaw became twin girls completing her family of seven. Hear why this journey taught her the fundamental lesson that time passes whether you keep trying or not, and how this mindset became the foundation for everything she accomplished on mountains years later. The Turkey Sweater Moment: When Being the Good Mom Nearly Killed Who You Are Discover the pivotal moment when Jen stood in a bathroom fighting back tears wondering what decisions in her life led to wearing a turkey sweater for a classroom Thanksgiving party. Learn why she had become a ghost of herself running classroom parties, coaching soccer for all seven kids, and constantly looking outside for validation about whether she was doing motherhood right. Hear about the car crash that happened a month later when she watched herself hit a semi and flip repeatedly with life moving externally as dirt sky dirt sky while internally time slowed down and stories flooded her mind. Jen explains why getting discharged from the hospital the same day initially felt like gratitude until unexpected anger flooded in because she almost died with all the things she wanted to do still sitting on her some days list pushed far away because she was being the good mom. Discover why she pulled her seven kids together for a state of the team meeting explaining mommy's going to stop teaching in classrooms and making cupcakes and start doing things that get her excited, and how becoming a happier healthier version of herself gave her kids permission to be happier healthier versions of themselves. From Ama Dablam to World Record: How a Math Homework Comment Changed the Goal Jen unveils the unexpected path from planning to climb one mountain for her 40th birthday to setting a world record as the first woman to climb the seven second summits. Learn why friends in Park City convinced her that if she was climbing one mountain in her entire life it should be Ama Dablam in Nepal instead of Timpanogos in Utah, and how COVID shutting down international travel meant homeschooling seven kids instead of...

    EP: Jenn Drummond - Mother of Seven to World Record Mountaineer: She Found her Summit!!!
  4. Aug 25

    EP 309: Doug Crandall- From West Point to Leadership Expert:Building Teams with Great Communication

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Doug Crandall, a West Point graduate, former Army officer, leadership development expert, and author of Building or Diminishing who has spent over 25 years teaching leaders how to maximize their impact through intentional communication and self-awareness, revealing why every word and action either builds people up or tears them down with no neutral ground in between, how his experiences teaching leadership at West Point showed him that reflection matters more than talent when developing sustainable excellence, and why asking yourself "am I building or diminishing?" before every interaction transforms not just how you lead others but how you lead yourself first. In this deeply practical and actionable conversation between two leaders who understand that leadership isn't taught in business school but forged through experience and honest self-assessment, Doug shares his extraordinary journey from growing up as the son of a Depression-era Marine who attended West Point and romanticized the experience while skipping over the brutal parts, to enduring the loneliness and constant grind of being yelled at across the country as a cadet, to returning years later as a faculty member where he discovered that West Point functions as a massive laboratory designed for young leaders to make mistakes in non-life-threatening situations and then process what they learned through structured reflection. This episode offers a masterclass in intentional leadership and communication, demonstrating why clarity of expectation matters far more than clarity of correction when holding people accountable, how understanding whether someone needs to be pushed hard or handled differently separates effective leaders from those who simply apply the same approach to everyone, and why the most dangerous trap in leadership is becoming a cheerleader who builds relationships and confidence but never has the tough conversations or pushes people to achieve more than they think possible. Doug opens up about coaching high school basketball for 20 years and realizing while writing this book that he was too relationship-focused with a player who went on to become first team all-conference in Division I, watching her college coach push her in ways he didn't and recognizing that his desire to be who he wanted to be as a coach prevented him from giving her what she actually needed, the transformational power of his father's advice that two-thirds of West Point faculty are 31 or 32 year old Army officers sent to get master's degrees and return to teach everything from calculus to the core leadership class, why today's cadets haven't changed much from previous generations despite phones and social media because kids who sign up to serve their country and do hard stuff like Army Ranger School with no food and no sleep for 60 days are still fundamentally the same breed, and how all proceeds from Building or Diminishing go to Tunnel to Towers which pays off mortgages for Gold Star families and builds houses for first responders because he wanted to be completely free from self-interest when promoting a concept he's watched change people's lives. Key Topics Discussed: The West Point Laboratory: Why Reflection Transforms Mistakes Into Leader Development Doug reveals the often overlooked reality that West Point isn't just about discipline and grinding through hardship but functions as a massive leadership development laboratory where young cadets are thrown into challenging situations specifically designed for them to make mistakes and then process what they learned. Discover why his second experience teaching at West Point in the early 2000s showed him that reflection is the most critical component of leader development, and how the entire institution is structured around giving students leadership positions during the academic year, through sports, and during summer training opportunities where the stakes are high enough to matter but not life or death. Learn why students write essays in the core leadership class asking what happened this summer and what did I learn from that experience as a leader, and how this systematic approach to processing experiences creates leaders who understand that growth comes not from avoiding mistakes but from honestly assessing what went wrong and why. Doug explains why he returned as a civilian just two years ago for a 10 month teaching stint when he saw a LinkedIn post from a buddy looking to fill a hole in the faculty, and how being immersed again in that environment of constant reflection reinforced everything he'd been teaching in corporate leadership development for two decades. Building or Diminishing: The Four Quadrants That Define How Your Leadership Lands Discover the powerful framework Doug developed while parenting his youngest son during the empty nest years when he started asking himself before every interaction whether what he was about to say would build or diminish his...

    EP 309: Doug Crandall- From West Point to Leadership Expert:Building Teams with Great Communication
  5. Aug 18

    EP: Jim Rome - From The Jungle to Reinvention: 30 Years of Sports Radio Dominance and What's Next

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Jim Rome, the legendary sports broadcaster, radio icon, and host of The Reinvention Project podcast who has spent over three decades dominating the sports media landscape, revealing why his journey from market 174 in Santa Barbara to building The Jungle empire required visualizing success years before the opportunity arrived, how maintaining perspective and understanding it was always a show rather than reality kept his ego in check when fame exploded, and why reinventing himself at 61 years old by diving deeper into mindset, peak performance, and high achievers represents the most fulfilling chapter of his career. In this deeply authentic and inspiring conversation recorded between two high achievers who refuse to slow down, Jim shares his extraordinary path from grinding at UC Santa Barbara's radio station and banging on every door for three years trying to escape market 174, to landing at XTRA 690 in San Diego where he created a show unlike anything sports radio had ever seen, to navigating the evolution from terrestrial radio to television to podcasting while staying relevant across multiple generations of media consumption. This episode offers a masterclass in sustainable excellence and authentic reinvention, demonstrating why being a common person with uncommon goals who always understood the inherent responsibility of being on the air prevented fame from destroying him, how his wife Janet making more money and trying to fire him when they first met created a foundation where he knew she'd be there even if it all disappeared, and why spending time with high achievers like Ed Milet who encouraged him to enter the mindset and peak performance space opened an entirely new lane that feels more meaningful than anything he did in his 30s. Jim opens up about the legendary Charles Barkley confrontation in Vegas that went from bitter enemies to crystal all around and best friends within minutes, why the comparison game on social media comparing yourself to highlight reels that aren't even real represents one of the worst traps of modern life, the profound realization that the last thing the world needs is a 50 year old smack talker which forced him to evolve into deeper long form conversations, and why he genuinely believes his next 20 years can be his most effective years because coaches and leaders are achieving amazing things well into their 70s. Key Topics Discussed: The Three Year Grind in Market 174: Why Visualization Before Opportunity Creates Readiness Jim reveals the often overlooked reality behind his seemingly overnight success in San Diego, explaining how he spent nearly three years trapped in Santa Barbara market 174 banging on every single door, writing every single letter, and sending every single resume trying to break into a bigger market. Discover why every time he did something noteworthy on the radio he would clip it and send it to somebody even though he had no idea if anyone was listening or if he'd ever get out, and how this period of grinding in the minor leagues forced him to visualize what he would do if he ever got that opportunity so many different times that when he finally landed at 690 AM he was completely ready. Learn why by the time he arrived in San Diego he had already plotted and planned for years, and how this preparation meeting opportunity allowed him to execute a show that people simply were not doing at that time. Jim explains why understanding this backstory matters because it wasn't luck or talent alone but rather relentless preparation during years when nobody was watching that created the foundation for everything that followed. Keeping Ego in Check When Fame Explodes: Why Understanding It Was Always a Show Saved Him Discover the critical mindset shift that prevented Jim from becoming another cautionary tale of fame destroying someone who achieved success too quickly. Jim explains that while people either loved him or wanted to fight him with nothing in between, what they didn't understand was it was a show, and he always understood it was a show even while being completely authentic and real. Learn why he was a common person with uncommon goals who never lost sight of the fact that they were paying him to talk smack, do interviews, and watch games, and how this constant awareness of the inherent responsibility that came with being on the air and impacting people kept him grounded. Hear about meeting his wife Janet when she was a corporate executive at the station making way more money than him and actually trying to fire him when she first heard him on the air, and why starting with nothing together meant he always knew she would still be there even if it all went away. Jim reveals why this foundation of understanding who and what he was, combined with genuine appreciation for the opportunity, prevented his ego from ever getting the better of him despite the massive arc of success. The Charles Barkley Vegas Moment: From...

    EP: Jim Rome - From The Jungle to Reinvention: 30 Years of Sports Radio Dominance and What's Next
  6. Aug 11

    Mark Pattison - From NFL to Seven Summits: How to Achieve Greatness. EP 306

    Host Mark Pattison delivers a powerful solo episode breaking down the exact blueprint for achieving greatness, revealing why reaching the top of your potential isn't about talent or luck but about making a fundamental choice between five dispositions that determine everything: bad, average, good, great, or phenomenal. In this deeply personal and actionable conversation, Mark shares the hard-earned lessons from his extraordinary journey as an NFL player, seven summits mountaineer including Everest, venture-backed entrepreneur, and Hemi Award winner, demonstrating why greatness requires a life of discipline that most people simply aren't willing to commit to, how preparation meeting opportunity created his Sports Illustrated moment catching the game winning touchdown against number one ranked Michigan with eight seconds left, and why leveling up your effort to match your desired disposition separates those who want success from those who are willing to do what it takes to achieve it. This episode offers a masterclass in sustainable excellence and mindset transformation, demonstrating why building a strong body leads to building a strong mind which leads to building a strong soul in that exact order, how the SUMMITS framework provides a repeatable system for turning any seed of an idea into measurable results through unleashing, moving, measuring, improving, navigating traverse moments, and ultimately reaching your summit, and why understanding the difference between Type A driven personalities and Type B laid back personalities prevents the frustration that destroys teams when people aren't aligned on the level they're trying to reach. Mark opens up about arriving at the University of Washington as a high school star only to get his ass kicked for three years until he physically prepared his body to compete against UCLA, USC, Michigan, and Oklahoma, the devastating frustration of being roped to unprepared climbers on mountains like Denali, Aconcagua, and Vinson who didn't do the work and dragged down the entire team's pace and performance, why waking up at the exact same time every single morning regardless of time zone or fatigue has become non-negotiable discipline that compounds over years, and how his new book Finding Your Summit: How to Build Resilience and Faith to Rise Above Life's Challenges captures the reality that he's had more setbacks than wins despite all his accomplishments. Key Topics Discussed: The Five Dispositions: Choosing Your Level Before You Can Reach It Mark reveals the fundamental framework that determines everything about how far you'll go in life. Discover why every person must choose between five dispositions: bad, average, good, great, or phenomenal, and why you cannot skip levels or magically wake up and become phenomenal without putting in the work to level up. Learn why most people say they want to be phenomenal but aren't willing to do what it takes, and how understanding the difference between wanting something and being willing to sacrifice for it separates dreamers from achievers. Mark explains why leveling up requires discipline in eating, sleep schedules, saying no to things, alcohol intake, and a thousand other daily decisions that compound over time, and why this life of discipline is very difficult because you have to do things you don't want to do. Hear about how Mark wakes up at the exact same time every single morning whether he's in Europe climbing mountains, Sun Valley Idaho, New York, or Seattle, and why adjusting to time zones but maintaining that same discipline within each zone creates the foundation for everything else. Preparation Meets Opportunity: The Sports Illustrated Moment Three Years in the Making Discover the powerful story of how Mark went from high school star to getting destroyed at the University of Washington for three years before finally reaching the moment that defined his college career. Learn why arriving at UW as an undersized player who'd never worked a day in his life meant getting physically dominated by guys from UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Michigan, and Oklahoma, and how legendary coach Don James began teaching him what discipline actually meant. Mark explains why it took roughly three years of getting his ass kicked to work his way back up and get himself into position where he was physically prepared enough to compete, then win, then dominate. Hear about the game against number one ranked Michigan at Husky Stadium when Mark got his first start, how the team came back from 14 points down in the fourth quarter, and why Michigan's missed field goal with seven minutes left set up the defining moment. Mark reveals how quarterback Steve Pelluer called an audible with eight seconds left recognizing the cornerbacks were pressing, threw the fade to the end zone, and Mark jumped over the top to catch the game winning touchdown that put him in Sports Illustrated, but only because he had done that exact play 10,000 times in his mind and in...

    Mark Pattison - From NFL to Seven Summits: How to Achieve Greatness.  EP 306
  7. Aug 4

    EP: Michael Allison - From Gladiator to Civilian: Transforming Performance Beyond the Arena

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Michael Allison, a renowned performance coach, leadership expert, and author of The Performance Code who has spent decades working with elite athletes, business leaders, and high achievers including speaking engagements at Harvard Business School, helping individuals understand how their physiology responds to pressure and how to shift from fight mode to sustainable peak performance. In this deeply insightful conversation, Michael shares his revolutionary approach to performance that begins not with the mind but with recognizing how the body responds to pressure-packed situations, revealing why awareness of heart rate, muscle tension, breathing patterns, and posture matters more than trying to force change through willpower alone, how the gladiator mentality that serves athletes in competition often becomes the very thing that limits their success in life beyond sports, and why understanding the difference between fight, retreat, and play as physiological states unlocks creativity and sustainable excellence that grinding through pressure never can. This episode offers a masterclass in self-awareness and physiological intelligence, demonstrating why acknowledging and respecting how your body organizes itself in unfamiliar or high-stakes situations creates the foundation for transformation, how channeling nervous energy into attack mode works at certain levels but carries metabolic costs and limits opportunities for strategic pivots, and why the most elite performers like Patrick Mahomes operate in a state of play rather than constant battle even when surrounded by gladiators trying to take them down. Michael opens up about his work analyzing the Michael Phelps case study with Harvard students who despite their intellectual gifts face the same human pressures and insecurities as everyone else, the profound difference between proving something driven by fight physiology versus aspiring toward goals fueled by curiosity and exploration, why some athletes like Joe Flacco develop an adaptive detachment that serves them on the field but may carry unintended consequences in family life, and how recognizing that the physiology required for NFL success doesn't translate to thriving in civilian life represents a level of awareness many never achieve. Key Topics Discussed: The Body Before the Mind: Why Physiological Awareness Unlocks Performance Michael reveals why he starts every coaching engagement not with mindset work but with helping clients recognize how their physiology responds to pressure. Discover why feeling your heart rate rise, noticing muscle tightening, observing shifts in posture and orientation, and even paying attention to the sounds you're hearing matters more than trying to mentally force yourself into the right state. Learn why the first step is awareness, acceptance, and honoring how your body is organizing itself in relationship to an experience rather than trying to shove feelings down or stop them from happening. Michael explains why this applies not just to Michael Phelps stepping up to the block but to every conversation, every unfamiliar situation, and every moment where unpredictability and importance create physiological responses. Hear about how our bodies respond differently when we're in situations that are unfamiliar, unpredictable, and important to us, and why recognizing these patterns without judgment creates the foundation for choosing how to relate to that energy in ways that might be more helpful. Fight Mode: The High Performer's Trap That Works Until It Doesn't Discover why channeling nervous energy into what Michael calls fight, attacking and going after it with intensity, locking in on opponents or execution, can take people pretty high in performance but comes with significant limitations. Learn why fight mode is certainly more performance-oriented than retreating or playing it safe, but it's metabolically costly, limits creativity, and causes people to miss opportunities for different ways to solve problems or pivot strategies. Michael explains why some people's physiology only trusts that it's safe to fight, making the gladiator mentality the only resource or way of moving through the world they know, and why this often isn't conscious. Hear Mark's powerful reflection on how being a warrior and gladiator in the NFL worked perfectly until age 30 when he got out and discovered that what served him on the field didn't serve him in real life, and why it took years to recognize this and become vulnerable enough to open up to new possibilities. Michael reveals why this level of awareness is rare and often requires supportive relationships and existing resources that allow someone's physiology to shift out of constant fight mode. Play Versus Fight: What Separates Patrick Mahomes from the Gladiators Michael unveils his analysis of the Netflix series Quarterback and what it reveals about physiological states in elite performance. Discover...

    EP: Michael Allison - From Gladiator to Civilian: Transforming Performance Beyond the Arena
  8. Jul 28

    EP: Amanda Gunville - From Lee Steinberg's Agency to Cancer Survivor: Finding Joy in the Fight

    ["Host Mark Pattison sits down with Amanda Gunville, a sports business executive, entrepreneur, and breast cancer survivor who spent over two decades working alongside legendary sports agent Lee Steinberg before facing a life-altering diagnosis that transformed her perspective on joy, resilience, and what truly matters when everything is on the line. In this deeply personal and inspiring conversation, Amanda shares her extraordinary journey from interning at Lee Steinberg Sports where she received what she calls a PhD in sports business working with clients like Warren Moon and consulting on films like Jerry Maguire, to building multiple seven-figure companies, to standing in the middle of SoFi Stadium when a phone call delivered three words that stopped her world: you have cancer. This episode offers a masterclass in finding joy during your darkest battle rather than waiting until after, demonstrating why giving yourself grace to feel all the bad emotions before fighting back is essential to authentic resilience, how a half crop circle haircut during her first chemo became a moment of hysterical laughter that taught her to weaponize joy against fear, and why the obstacle truly becomes the way when you ask what this challenge is here to teach you rather than why this is happening to you. Amanda opens up about the devastating reality that her best friend from college died from breast cancer right before her daughter was born making her believe cancer equaled death when she received her own diagnosis, the transformational power of Dr. Joe Dispenza's meditation work backed by clinical brain mapping studies that gave her a war path to survival, why telling people exactly what you need during crisis allows them to help when they're afraid to say the wrong thing, and how being too sick to watch screens for two and a half years meant missing entire football seasons that inspired her to launch Champara, a revolutionary football fluency method designed to help millions of women feel connected, confident, and like they finally got the playbook they never received.\n\nKey Topics Discussed:\n\nThe Lee Steinberg PhD: Learning Sports Business from the Man Behind Jerry Maguire\nAmanda reveals how landing an internship at Lee Steinberg Sports after working as Warren Moon's stage manager at ESPN and Fox Sports became the foundation for everything that followed in her career. Discover why Lee would call her into his office at the end of every day after his workout and walk through the entire day explaining why he did what he did, what the clients needed, and how they could impact the most lives possible. Learn why this daily mentorship gave her what she considers a PhD in sports business that no classroom could replicate, and how being part of a firm that represented the crème de la crème of athletes across multiple sports while also consulting on major Hollywood films like Jerry Maguire, For the Love of the Game, and Any Given Sunday created exposure to business opportunities far beyond traditional sports representation. Amanda explains why the agency became mainstream when Tom Cruise played Lee in Jerry Maguire, and how witnessing Lee's massive crash and then his comeback over 25 years showed her the ultimate poster boy for overcoming adversity and finding your way back with grace, humility, and the same insane intelligence.\n\nThe Phone Call at SoFi Stadium: When Three Words Changed Everything\nDiscover the moment three and a half years ago when Amanda was standing in the middle of SoFi Stadium as a brand new mom with a 15-month-old baby, serving as CEO, COO, and CMO of a thriving company they had built from zero to seven figures in less than three years, and her phone rang with the call she was expecting but could never prepare for. Learn why hearing Dr. B say "Amanda, I'm sorry, we have your results, you have cancer" created that action movie moment where the bomb goes off and everything goes silent except for a loud ringing noise. Hear about flying home to Colorado immediately and walking with her brother, a pediatric intensive care unit doctor expert at having tough conversations, who gave her the most impactful advice: give yourself some grace, you've been handed a terrible hand of cards, feel all the bad things and let yourself process them. Amanda explains why this permission to cry the tears, sit in the fear, and feel the anger became essential to showing up authentically before she could move into resilience and fight, and how she realized she needed to ask what this disease was here to teach her rather than dwelling on why it was happening.\n\nThe Half Crop Circle Moment: Weaponizing Joy During Your Darkest Battle\Mark Pattison

    EP: Amanda Gunville - From Lee Steinberg's Agency to Cancer Survivor: Finding Joy in the Fight
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Finding Your Summit with Mark Pattison explores resilience, leadership, peak performance, and overcoming adversity. Mark is a former NFL player, Seven Summits mountaineer, Mount Everest summiter, Emmy Award winner, entrepreneur, author, and former Sports Illustrated executive. Through inspiring conversations with athletes, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and adventurers, discover powerful lessons on mental toughness, personal growth, success, and achieving meaningful goals in business and life.

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