Daniel Robbins interviews Shawn Zhang, CTO and co-founder of Sanas, about the future of education, AI, and communication, and how a single unfair workplace experience turned into a generational company. Shawn explains why the real value of college is people, not lectures, and why the best startups start with real pain, not cool tech. He tells the origin story of Sanas, how they navigated public criticism about “erasing” identity, and why the company’s mission is the opposite: to help people be understood and evaluated on their talent, not their accent. Key Discussion Points Shawn explains why COVID “broke” the college experience, and why the real value of Stanford was the people and the intellectual Disneyland effect, not the homework. He shares how he and his co-founders stopped chasing “cool solutions” and instead focused on finding a real problem that people felt deeply enough to pay to solve. The Sanas origin story comes from a friend in Nicaragua whose call center customers complained about his accent, hurting his performance scores, pay, and mental health. Shawn describes the backlash period when Sanas was accused of “whitewashing voices,” and why messages from immigrants who felt held back reinforced the mission. Daniel reads Sanas growth stats, $121M raised and $62M revenue in two years, and Shawn shares how gratitude and determination rise with momentum, not ease. Shawn talks about the founder skill of exposing unknown unknowns by being vulnerable with mentors and peers, because the internet rarely reveals what you’re doing wrong. They discuss Gen Z ambition, purpose-driven work, and the danger of social media’s highlight reels creating disillusionment for young builders. Shawn explains why Silicon Valley matters less for fundraising and more for density of honest conversations with builders who help you see blind spots. He uses rock climbing to describe scaling: early mistakes are painless, but as you climb higher the fall gets real, and pressure becomes part of the thrill. On AI and engineering, Shawn argues AI will empower builders, but taste, reliability, and craftsmanship matter more, and junior plus senior engineers should work closer together, not be replaced. Takeaways A great startup starts with real pain, not a clever demo, because pain creates urgency, willingness to pay, and long-term demand. If your product sits in a moral debate, listen closest to the people living the problem, not the people reacting to headlines. The fastest way to grow is to surface unknown unknowns early through mentors, peers, and real-world conversations, not public posturing. AI will not eliminate engineers, it will raise the bar for quality, and the differentiator becomes taste, systems, and production reliability. Social media can distort reality for founders, so staying grounded in real relationships and honest feedback loops is a competitive advantage. Closing Thoughts Shawn Zhang’s story is a reminder that inclusion is not a slogan, it is a product decision that changes someone’s daily life. Sanas exists because one person’s accent was treated like a flaw instead of a story, and Shawn turned that into a platform built to bridge understanding. In an AI era, this episode argues something unexpected: the more technology grows, the more human connection, empathy, and real communication become the ultimate edge. Proton VPN is offering our listeners 70% off a two year plan when you go to ProtonVPN.com/FOUNDER Download Cash App Today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/hlevbsx1 #CashAppPod As a Cash App partner, I may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Bitcoin services provided by Block, Inc. For additional information, see the Bitcoin disclosures. Go to Schedule35.co and use code FOUNDERS for 15% off your first order. That's Schedule35.co, code FOUNDERS, for 15% off. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
