Jon Walsh pulls back the curtain on what it really takes to scale a challenger FMCG brand without drinking your own Kool-Aid. From tying purpose to exit strategy, to why profit is a prerequisite (not a betrayal), to the tiny commercial decisions that quietly unlock big growth, this is a grounded, no-nonsense breakdown of taking Bio&Me from £2m to £20m. Heavy on real-world trade-offs, buyer reality, margins, packaging, people, and founder intensity — light on startup theatre. A sharp, practical listen for anyone trying to build something durable. =============== 🍽️ ON THE MENU =============== 🎯 Why purpose and exit strategy aren’t opposites💰 How building for valuation actually sharpens purpose🧬 Turning gut health science into a real brand advantage📈 Scaling from £2m to £20m without losing the plot👥 Letting go of knowing everything — and why that’s progress🤝 Delegation, trust, and building a team that outgrows the founder📊 Why sustainable profit matters more than growth theatre⚖️ The delicate dance between growth and EBITDA🏭 Co-manufacturers: the hidden risk-takers founders forget🔍 Finding margin through nuance, not hacks📉 Promotions, pricing, shrinkflation, and honest trade-offs🛒 Why proximity to purchase beats flashy brand spend🧠 Innovating close to the core — and when to break the rule🥣 Going cross-category without killing valuation🧪 Science + taste: why health food must still be delicious🏬 How retailers really think about challenger brands🧑💼 Buyers, rangers, merchandisers — who actually holds power📦 Packaging as your most important marketing asset📐 The big rocks vs the pebbles of scaling a brand💥 The hardest decisions founders avoid: people and partners😬 Breaking up with early suppliers as you scale🕰️ The intensity myth: what “hard work” really looks like🚫 Why work–life balance is mostly b******t at £20m❌ The biggest mistakes made on the way up🧭 What didn’t change from £2m to £20m — and why that matters🛍️ Why retailers aren’t the enemy (and never were)🔮 How thinking about exit quietly shapes every decision today Whether you’re building an FMCG brand, advising founders, or navigating the jump from scrappy startup to serious scale, this episode is a masterclass in commercial realism, leadership maturity, and doing the unglamorous work that actually compounds. ============================================== TIMESTAMPS00:00:00 Why Purpose and Valuation Reinforce Each Other00:01:43 What Bio&Me Actually Is (and Why It Exists)00:02:28 Gut Health as a Real Commercial Advantage00:03:18 From £2m to £20m: Understanding Run Rate00:04:40 Letting Go of Knowing Everything00:05:20 Delegation, Trust, and Growing a Leadership Team00:06:46 Why Profit Is Non-Negotiable00:07:25 The Delicate Dance Between Growth and EBITDA00:07:54 Funding Losses by Selling Equity00:08:18 Moving Into Profit — and Team Buy-In00:09:16 How Bio&Me Actually Became Profitable00:10:19 Co-Manufacturers Take the Biggest Early Risks00:11:25 Promotions, Pricing, and Margin Finesse00:12:33 Shrinkflation, Transparency, and Consumer Trust00:13:59 Honest Marketing Beats Clever Marketing00:15:18 Relentless Cost Discipline as You Scale00:16:47 Team Size Myths and the Shoreditch Trap00:18:10 The Hires That Really Moved the Needle00:19:11 Innovate Close to the Core00:20:22 When (and Why) to Go Cross-Category00:21:24 Gut Health Science: Fibre vs Fermentation00:22:52 Purpose as a Filter for Expansion00:24:03 How to Be Meaningfully Better Than Competitors00:26:17 The Reality of Managing Multiple Categories00:27:12 Why This Is a Golden Age for Challenger Brands00:29:10 Coopetition and Founder Generosity00:31:03 The Three Big Growth Levers to £20m00:32:29 Proximity to Purchase Beats Brand Hype00:33:20 In-Store Marketing That Actually Works00:34:29 Building vs Maintaining a Brand00:36:40 Understanding Buyers, Ranging, and Power00:38:51 Packaging as Your Best Marketing Asset00:40:30 The Hardest Decisions Are About People00:41:27 Breaking Up With Early Partners00:43:17 Why Scaling Is Intensely Hard00:44:10 The Work-Life Balance Myth00:45:42 Competition as Fuel00:47:34 Buyer Needs vs Consumer Needs00:49:16 The Biggest Mistakes on the Way Up00:50:33 Under-Investing in Marketing00:51:32 Waiting Too Long to Hire00:52:42 What Changed — and What Didn’t — at £20m00:54:00 Why Retailers Aren’t the Enemy00:55:42 How Exit Thinking Shapes Decisions Today 🔥10x creativity beats 10x budget. Want a life changing HUNGRY Creative Workshop for your team? DM brother ==============================================🌟 HUNGRY's Absolutely Bloody Marvelous Sponsors🌟============================================= 💷💶💵For more on MIMO payments, financing & cash flow visit 👉 mimoHQ.com
