Ibogaine Uncovered Beond

Anthony Esposito and Amber Antonelli are the co-founders of Awaken Your Soul, an iboga retreat center in Costa Rica. Both Anthony and Amber are Bwiti initiates and iboga providers who have been working with the medicine for quite some time – over a decade for Anthony and about eight years for Amber. Amber also serves as chief of the village at the center, which is situated on nearly 100 acres of lush jungle. 

What we discuss:


The reputation of iboga as intense: is this a well-earned reputation, or is there more to it?


Different factors that influence the intensity of an iboga experience: dose, set and setting, facilitation, and resistance


The importance of being trauma-informed – and what that really means


The energy of iboga: masculine, feminine, or both?


The shifting spiritual awareness of people who are seeking out iboga


Who makes a good candidate for an iboga retreat?


How the iboga experience differs from the ibogaine experience (how the medicine is administered, set and setting, music, and more)


How to deal with resistance when it arises in guests


Lessons from the medicine, from Gabon to Costa Rica



Why it’s important: 

Iboga is often described as “intense” – this is why many refer to it as the “Mount Everest” of psychedelics. As Anthony and Amber explain, while there are certainly elements of an iboga experience that can be quite intense, there are several factors that can impact that intensity. We hear that when it comes to iboga, a small dose goes a long way, and that feelings of resistance can actually turn up the intensity dial significantly. Anthony and Amber dive into some of the key differences between iboga and ibogaine, not just in the way that they are administered, but also when it comes to why someone may seek out one over the other. They hone in on the importance of meeting people where they are at, wherever that might be on their journey – even if it’s deep in a state of resistance – and share vulnerable moments from their own path as Bwiti initiates and iboga providers. 

Relevant Links:


Awaken Your Soul website
Awaken Your Soul Instagram
Anthony Esposito - Bio
Amber Antonelli - Bio
Using Iboga for More Than Just Addiction Treatment
13 Tips for Navigating an Iboga Ceremony
11 Tips for Integrating Iboga & Other Psychedelics

Joshua White is a lawyer, peer support advocate, psychedelic researcher, and the founder and executive director of Fireside Project. He believes in the power of peer support and the role of support lines like Fireside Project as foundational components of an equitable mental health ecosystem. Joshua joins Ibogaine Uncovered to discuss the role and value of non-clinical support in the psychedelic space, and to share about his recent ibogaine experience at Beond.

What we discuss:


How Joshua’s experience with the Zendo Project and Safe and Sound’s Talk Line for Parents informed the creation of Fireside Project


What volunteer experience taught him about the value of peer support


Is the emphasis on therapists in the psychedelic space problematic?


The role of non-clinical support (including coaches and peer support) in the psychedelic space


Essential ingredients for building a safe psychedelic container, from a peer’s perspective


Key questions to ask when looking for a psychedelic facilitator,  why it’s important to be thorough when making your selection


How practitioners can maintain healthy relationships with their clients/peers


The intersection of medicalization and spirituality within the ibogaine experience: is it possible to have a transformative experience in a hospital bed?


The role of peer support in making psychedelic treatment more accessible, particularly to BIPOC and vulnerable populations


What the future of ibogaine treatment could look like if scaled



Why it’s important: 

As more people look to psychedelic medicines to improve their health and well-being, it’s clear that a model that requires two therapists to sit with every individual receiving psychedelic therapy is not scalable. Joshua underscores the need for more non-clinical support in the psychedelic realm, including coaches and peer supporters like the ones at Fireside Project. Not only is peer support more accessible, he suggests it may also offer a psychedelic journeyer more of what they need before and after a transformative experience, especially depending on a peer’s familiarity with psychedelics. As Josh experienced during his time at Beond, having the right support, whether clinical or not, helps create a safe container for a psychedelic journey – whether that journey takes place in the Amazon, or in a hospital bed at an ibogaine treatment center in Cancun.

Relevant Links:


Fireside Project
How Effective Is Fireside Project’s Psychedelic Hotline? New Study Aims To Find Out
Fireside Project: The Psychedelic Support Line Matching Callers With BIPOC, Trans, And Veteran Volunteers
Warning Signs When Selecting a Psychedelic Facilitator
Questions to Discuss with a Prospective Psychedelic Facilitator

Bryan Hubbard is a lawyer and the former chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission (KOAAC). Tasked with allocating an $842-million settlement from opioid manufacturers after the courts found that the products they sold contributed to thousands of deaths in the state, Bryan and other members of the commission were appointed by Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron in June 2022. In just 18 months, Bryan’s work put ibogaine in the spotlight. After learning about the psychedelic’s anti-addictive properties in the summer of 2022, he brought the idea of spending a portion of the settlement funds on ibogaine research to the AG, and in May 2023 they announced the commission’s intention to allocate $42 million to a public-private research partnership with a focus on ibogaine for substance use disorder. He was asked to step down from the role in December 2023.

What we discuss:


How Bryan’s previous work as a public attorney prepared him for the work he went on to do for the KOAAC


How he learned about ibogaine and his motivations for taking it the commission, even when it was clear there would be a lot of political pushback


How political opposition impacted the commission’s interest in ibogaine


Why the ibogaine initiative is no longer on the table in Kentucky


Responding to claims that the ibogaine initiative was a “misuse of funds” and “corporate R&D”


The effect that public hearings had on people who were either ambivalent or opposed to ibogaine research


The lack of efficacy of existing treatments


Reconciling one’s faith in God, the hope that psychedelics present, and what we’ve been programmed to believe about drugs (in the church and beyond)


Next steps for Bryan: interest from other states in ibogaine



Why it’s important: 

In the short time that Bryan held the position of chairman and executive director of the Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission, he was able to present ibogaine, a relatively obscure psychedelic substance, as a potential treatment for a crisis that has impacted the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans – and people paid attention. While in the end, it seems unlikely the commission will be moving forward with the proposal, Bryan’s championing of ibogaine was successful in creating a groundswell of support for an alternative treatment option in a part of the country not exactly known for being progressive. What’s more, as a result of Bryan’s work, many who had firmly placed themselves in the anti-ibogaine camp were so moved by what they heard at public hearings that they’re motivated to see the initiative through. Although Bryan has moved on from his role in Kentucky, other states have now expressed interest in picking up where he left off. 

Relevant Links:


Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission
Could an illegal psychedelic substance ease the opioid crisis? Daniel Cameron wants to find out.
Kentucky’s Risky Million-Dollar Bet to Fight the Opioid Crisis With Psychedelics
Could a little-known psychedelic drug treat opioid addiction? Kentucky wants to find out.
Kentucky Shelves Plan to Use Opioid Settlement Cash for Ibogaine Pilot
The Big Money Behind Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron's Bizarre Psychedelic Drug Crusade
On Politics: Here's why Andy Beshear might not want to talk about Purdue Pharma

Amber Capone is the CEO and co-founder at Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS). Four years ago, she walked away from a successful career in real estate to serve in these roles, determined to improve the life of her family and others who were suffering after her husband Marcus underwent a powerful transformation with the help of ibogaine. Marcus Capone – who intended to join us but couldn’t make it – is an entrepreneur & veteran Navy SEAL who was medically retired from active duty in 2013 after 13 years of service in Special Operations, including 6 combat tours at Seal Team 10 and Seal Team 6. Today he’s the chairman and co-founder of VETS. VETS is a non-profit organization founded by Marcus and Amber, intent on ending the veteran suicide epidemic by providing resources, research, and advocacy for U.S. military veterans seeking psychedelic assisted therapy for traumatic brain injury, PTSD, and other health conditions. 

What we discuss:


The challenges associated with Marcus’ retirement and return to civilian life, including struggles with TBI, PTSD, depression, anger and substance use, and the impact that had on Amber’s role as a wife and mother


The specific challenges that veterans face as they try to navigate treatment options


The role that stigma plays among veterans and how it can often prevent them from seeking treatment


How Marcus and Amber learned about ibogaine, and the point of complete desperation they were at when they found it


How a lack of preparedness for treatment helped Amber and Marcus develop programming at VETS to prevent them from experiencing the same thing


The shift that Marcus experienced after ibogaine


Talking about psychedelic treatment with their children


Amber’s struggle to reconcile ibogaine’s healing ability with her faith in God


The support options offered by VETS, and VETS involvement in a recent Stanford study looking at ibogaine featuring Dr. Nolan Williams


Recent advancements in support for improved veteran care



Why it’s important: 

Amber and her husband Marcus have been advocating for access to psychedelic assisted therapy, particularly ibogaine treatment, since 2018 and have quickly become the faces of the movement. Their story and their work are prime examples of how, when the situation feels absolutely hopeless, a single profound psychedelic experience can be a complete game-changer – and in turn, how that game-changing experience often leads to an undeniable sense that it must be shared with others who have experienced the same hopelessness. 

Relevant Links:


VETS Website
VA PTSD Statistics
The stigma that stops veterans from getting help for PTSD (PBS)
How psychedelic healing helps traumatized veterans (Spectrum News)
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder in the US Veteran Population: Results From the National Health and Resilience in Veterans Study
The purple politics of veterans and psychedelics: 5 Questions for Amber Capone, co-founder of VETS
Amber on Psyched, a podcast by Kaia Roman

Dr. Nolan Williams is an Associate Professor within the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences and the Director of the Stanford Brain Stimulation Lab. He is triple board-certified in general neurology, general psychiatry, as well as behavioral neurology and neuropsychiatry. Dr. Williams joins Ibogaine Uncovered to discuss his recently published study, Magnesium–ibogaine therapy in veterans with traumatic brain injuries. Published in Nature Medicine, it evaluates 30 Special Ops veterans with predominantly mild TBI who each independently scheduled themselves for ibogaine treatment at a center in Mexico, where they also engaged in activities like breathwork and yoga, and spoke with therapists and coaches. Don’t read too much into the word “mild” here – as you’ll hear from Dr. Williams, people suffering from TBI are more often than not also dealing with other health conditions including PTSD, depression, anxiety, substance use, and suicidality. Participants in the study were referred by Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS), a non-profit organization dedicated to ending veteran suicide.

What we discuss:


Dr. Williams’ first impression of ibogaine: how he went from being skeptical to calling it “the most sophisticated pharmacological agent in the world”


Why it was important for Dr. Williams to study ibogaine treatment on Special Ops veterans


The changes Dr. Williams and his team witnessed in participants after they underwent ibogaine treatment


The role of magnesium in the protocol and what his team was able to show as it relates to heart health during treatment 


What we know about the dreamlike state of consciousness facilitated by ibogaine


Ibogaine as a “dirty drug” and the analogy of the modern key


What Dr. Williams meant when he said ibogaine led to“a Benjamin-Buttoning of the brain,” and the implications of such a change for people with TBI and PTSD


The study’s limitations


Which other populations could potentially benefit from ibogaine treatment?


The role of research in affecting drug policy



Why it’s important: 

The first-of-its-kind neuroimaging study found that ibogaine could effectively treat TBI and PTSD in Special Ops veterans while improving cognitive function. Ibogaine treatment also reduced the veterans’ average rating on a disability assessment scale. Before treatment, the average rating of participants in the study indicated mild to moderate disability. A month later, their ratings indicated no disability. Remarkably, 88% experienced a reduction in PTSD symptoms, 87% experienced a reduction in depression symptoms, and 81% experienced a reduction in anxiety, while suicidal ideation decreased from 47% to 7% one month following treatment. All this to say, this new study led by Dr. Williams and conducted by his team at Stanford is playing a role in  taking ibogaine out of the category of obscure psychedelic and placing it into the category of potential breakthrough therapy. The numbers speak for themselves, as does the mainstream media coverage of the publication. As Dr. Williams points out, research still has much to reveal about this powerful plant medicine, but for now,  this study indicates that ibogaine could be a treatment option for a condition from which many people fail to find relief.

Relevant Links:


Dr. Nolan Williams: Stanford Profile
Stanford Brain Stimulation Lab
Magnesium–ibogaine therapy in veterans with traumatic brain injuries (Nature Medicine)
Pre-post Evaluation of the Safety and Efficacy of Ibogaine-Magnesium Therapy in Veterans With Repeated Blast Exposure (ClinicalTrials.gov)
0665 Ibogaine treatment in combat Veterans significantly improves sleep, beyond alleviating Posttraumatic Stress Disorder symptoms (Sleep Research Society)
Psychedelic drug ibogaine shows preliminary promise for traumatic brain injury: Study (ABC News)
How psychoactive drug ibogaine may help military veterans with tr

Ben "Doc" Askins is a physician assistant, US army captain, author and podcast host. He has two decades of experience practicing and teaching wilderness, tactical, and expeditionary medicine in the military. As a civilian, he is certified with the Multidisciplinary Association on Psychedelic Studies in MDMA-assisted therapy, and is a Psychiatric Physician Assistant offering ketamine assisted therapy in Kentucky. Doc is a National Outdoor Leadership school alum, a veteran of the Global War on Terrorism, and has postgraduate training in Neuropsychiatry and Genomics with a Masters in Divinity. Doc’s book, The Anti-Hero’s Journey: The Zero with a Thousand Faces, is described as a “warped war memoir about the way to attain enlightenment” (think of it as an integration therapy guide in the form of his life story). You might remember Doc from episode 22 – he was featured in our recap of the Kentucky Summit on Breakthrough Therapies for Opioid Use Disorder. 

What we discuss:


Doc’s presence at the Kentucky Summit


Why Doc thinks the idea of investing $42 million in ibogaine research in KY is “a terrible idea”


A clinician’s perspective on ibogaine


How Doc went from a straight-edge kid and member of the DARE club to a proponent of psychedelic assisted therapy


America’s shifting perception of psychedelics


Psychedelic assisted therapy for veterans


The challenges of treating people suffering from suicidality


Doc’s recommendations for post-treatment integration


Reflecting on Doc’s book, The Anti-Hero’s Journey



Why it’s important: 

With his strict Christian upbringing and army background, Doc might not be the first person you’d expect to be an advocate of breakthrough psychedelic therapies – but it’s precisely that background that qualifies him to speak to the ongoing crisis. As a Kentuckian with close personal connections to both the opioid and suidide crises, an active duty member of the Army National Guard, and a physician assistant (among many other things – he’s the first to call his background ‘eclectic’), Doc’s perspective on the state’s interest in funding ibogaine research is both well-informed and unique. He’s the first person I’ve heard call the plan “a terrible idea,” but not for the reason you might think. Speaking to his experience working in ketamine-assisted therapy, Doc offers insight into the kind of support a person suffering from suicidality requires, and explains why the window after a psychedelic experience is a critical time for people who have been facing treatment-resistant depression. Doc’s story is a testament to how tragedy can change our life’s course in an instant, and proof that even with years of “just say no” indoctrination, there’s hope that even the staunchly opposed could change their minds about psychedelic medicines like ibogaine. 

Relevant Links:


Anti-Hero’s Journey website 
Listen to Anti-Hero’s Journey podcast
Ben “Doc” Askins on Instagram
The Kentucky Summit on Exploring Breakthrough Therapeutic Potential for Opioid Use Disorder
The Real Reason KY’s Attorney General Doesn’t Want My Opinion On Psychedelics (Brainz Magazine)
An Open Letter To KY Governor Andy Beshear (Brainz Magazine)
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder
American Foundation for Suicide Prevention: Statistics