By Land Podcast

Emory Wanger

This podcast is about learning how to have better backcountry experiences and understanding why spending time outside matters in the first place.I have conversations with people from diverse outdoor backgrounds to learn from them and hear their personal stories. I cover everything from backpacking, hiking, hunting, conservation, and outdoor skills to the broader role the outdoors can play in our health, perspective, and everyday lives.Thanks for listening!-Emory, By Land

  1. 1d ago

    #180 The Frontier Within and Finding Your Way Back with Mike Martin

    This episode isn't what you think it is, and it wasn't what I expected when I booked Mike for an interview. I expected a chat about Daniel Boone and how his life’s story inspired Mike to get outdoors, and while that’s kind of what happened, it’s not exactly that straightforward. Mike is the author of The Honest Wilderness: Finding Daniel Boone and the Frontier Within, but his connection to Daniel Boone started during one of the hardest periods of his life. After his life fell apart, Mike began experimenting with journaling, meditation, and spending intentional time outside. Somewhere along the way, Daniel Boone kept showing up. What started as a simple curiosity became a new way of analyzing his own life. We talk about using people from history as mirrors, why journaling can help us organize the noise inside our heads, what meditation can actually look like for someone who doesn't think of themselves as a meditation person, and why simply being quiet has become so difficult. The conversation eventually turns toward a question I've been thinking about a lot lately: What is actually happening to us when we spend time outside? Maybe the outdoors isn't just a place to recreate. Maybe it's a place where the noise drops away enough for us to hear ourselves again (if you let it). This conversation is about getting lost, finding your way back, paying attention, and learning to trust the internal compass you've been building your entire life Key Takeaways Journaling doesn't need to be complicated. Sometimes simply putting thoughts onto paper creates enough space to understand what's happening inside your head.Meditation can look like sitting quietly, walking slowly, paying attention, or simply allowing yourself to stop filling every moment with stimulation.History can become a mirror. Mike used Daniel Boone's experiences with loss, uncertainty, failure, and forward movement to better understand his own life.Spending time outside can create the quiet necessary to hear your own thoughts and reconnect with what Mike describes as an internal compass.Progress doesn't mean never slipping back into old patterns. Sometimes slipping simply means you're still practicing.Show Notes Mike Martin's Story: Mike shares how a period of personal loss eventually introduced him to Stoicism, journaling, meditation, and a completely different relationship with the outdoors.Daniel Boone as a Mirror: What started as an interest in Daniel Boone became something much more personal. Mike began visiting historical locations, reading biographies, studying maps, and asking what Boone's experiences could teach him about navigating his own life.Finding the Internal Compass: We explore Mike's idea that our experiences slowly build an internal compass. When life becomes confusing, sometimes the answer isn't adding more information but becoming quiet enough to hear what is already there.The Modern Wilderness of Overstimulation: Our phones, schedules, responsibilities, entertainment, and constant availability create an incredible amount of noise. We discuss whether one of the great challenges of modern life is simply losing the ability to sit quietly with ourselves.Journaling as a Practice: Journaling doesn't require pages of polished writing. Mike started with scattered words and thoughts. Over time, the practice helped him organize what was happening internally and recognize patterns in how he talked to himself.Meditation Without the Stereotypes: Meditation doesn't have to look a certain way. Mike discusses walking meditation, guided meditation, sitting quietly outside, and using natural objects and processes as prompts for thinking through our own lives.Using Nature as a Mirror: A fallen tree, changing seasons, decay, growth, and regeneration can become ways of thinking through experiences in our own lives. Not because nature is giving us instructions, but because slowing down enough to observe it gives us something tangible to think about.Why Does Being Outside Feel Different?: We explore one of the questions I'm increasingly interested in: why does spending time outside seem to change the way we feel and think? Maybe part of the answer is participation. In a natural environment, we're stepping back into a living system rather than observing life from behind a screen.Forget the Metrics for Five Minutes: Not every experience needs to produce something measurable. Sometimes getting outside can be as simple as walking through the front door, sitting somewhere quiet, and paying attention.The Outdoors Scales With You: You don't need a wilderness expedition to experience the outdoors. It might be a backyard, a neighborhood walk, a local trail, or a multi-day backcountry trip. The invitation is the same.Boone Trace: Mike also shares his developing plans to explore and hike Boone Trace, the historic route associated with Daniel Boone's movement into Kentucky.Links: https://www.projectmindfullyoutdoors.com/The Honest Wilderness: Finding Daniel Boone and the Frontier WithinThe Honest Outdoors PodcastThe Wind Is My MotherMeditations (Marcus Aurelius)The book I mention that I couldn't remember is “Outsmarting Reality”Text the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #180 The Frontier Within and Finding Your Way Back with Mike Martin
  2. Aug 14

    #179 Back to the Mountains with Tom French

    In this episode, I sit down with Tom French, author of The Gap Years: Climbing, Skiing, and the Journey Back, to talk about what happens when we step away from the expected path and make room for a different kind of experience. Tom spent his pre-career years climbing, ski racing, and traveling around the world before leaving that life behind to build a career, get married, and raise a family. When he retired at 60, and before moving into the next stage of life, he decided to return to the mountains to see whether the interests that had shaped him as a young man still held meaning decades later. As expected, our conversation became about much more than mountaineering. We talked about the seasons of life, accepting that parenthood and work will temporarily change how we experience the outdoors, and trusting that the mountains will still be there when we are ready to get back to them. Tom also explains why a gap year is not just time off, but a “conscious interlude”—an opportunity to step outside the normal flow of life and have experiences that may shape whatever comes next. We also dive into the less visible sides of climbing: the long hours spent waiting inside a tent, the emotional discipline required to manage uncertainty, and the balance between physical ability, risk management, and mental resilience. Tom shares what it was like to return to Everest after his first attempt was cut short, climb Cholatse with his daughter, and rediscover a part of himself that had never completely disappeared. This is a conversation about adventure, but it is also about identity, aging, parenting, and giving ourselves permission to return to the parts of life that continue to matter to us. Key Takeaways:  The interests and hobbies we set aside during demanding seasons of life are waiting when we have the space to return.A meaningful gap year is not about doing nothing; it is a conscious interlude filled with experiences that everyday life may not allow.Success in mountaineering depends on more than physical strength. It also requires risk management and emotional discipline.Parents can give their children an important gift by allowing them room to choose their own path rather than automatically following the expected one.Returning to an old passion later in life can offer more than nostalgia; it can reveal what continues to provide meaning and direction. Chapters and Links:  Growing up inside an outdoor storeChoosing a different path from his fatherWhy some interests move into the backgroundThe mountains will still be thereFinding room to think againThe untold reality of expedition lifeThe three parts of successful mountaineeringWhat a gap year is really forGiving children permission to chooseReturning to the mountains at 60Climbing Cholatse with his daughterSupporting the Himalayan TrustTom's Book: https://amzn.to/3QbYyO3https://tomfrenchauthor.com/https://himalayantrust.org/Text the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #179 Back to the Mountains with Tom French
  3. May 18

    #178 Rethinking How We Share Adventures with Nina Banducci of Polarsteps

    Nina Banducci from Polarsteps joins the podcast to talk about something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately; how we document our lives and why social media doesn’t always feel like the right way to do it. We discuss the trending shift away from performative platforms like Instagram and why more people are craving something more personal and meaningful when it comes to capturing their life experiences. Nina shares her background as an outdoor guide and how that led her to Polarsteps, a travel app built around memory, not attention. We also dive into the thru-hiking culture on the Appalachian Trail, what makes that community so unique, and why experiences like that strip you down to who you really are.  Throughout the episode, we talk about travel, discomfort, growth, and why the best moments aren’t always the ones you post. If you’ve ever questioned why you’re sharing your adventures, or who you’re sharing them for, this episode is right up your ally. Key Takeaways: Social media has shifted from connection to performance, changing how we experience travelReal adventure includes discomfort, mistakes, and unpredictability, not just highlight momentsTools like Polarsteps are emerging to prioritize personal memory over public validationThru-hiking culture creates a rare environment of equality, authenticity, and communityGrowth happens when you step into the unknown, not when everything goes perfectly Chapters/Show Notes:  Introduction to PolarstepsNina’s Background: From Idaho to Outdoor Guiding and TravelThe River Community and Earning Your Place OutdoorsThe Problem with Social Media and Performative SharingWhat Polarsteps Is and Why It ExistsTravel as a Tool for Growth and DiscomfortThe Reality of Thru-Hiking and Trail CultureAppalachian Trail Community and Hostel LifeWhy Brands Must Earn Trust in the Outdoor SpaceHow Polarsteps Is Entering the U.S. MarketThe Future of Travel, Memory, and Storytellingwww.polarsteps.comText the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #178 Rethinking How We Share Adventures with Nina Banducci of Polarsteps
  4. 03/17/2025

    #176 Fastpacking: How To Cover More Ground In Less Time with Tayson Whittaker

    In this episode, I sit down with Tayson Whittaker, founder of Outdoor Vitals, to dive deep into fastpacking—what it is, why it works when time is tight, and how to cover more ground in less time. Whether you’re a backpacker looking to move faster and lighter, or someone trying to maximize limited time on the trail, this episode is packed with tons of insights on how to make fastpacking a practical tool in your outdoor adventures. Tayson shares his personal fastpacking strategies, including gear, hydration and nutrition planning, and how to structure your days for big miles without burnout. We also get into the evolution of Outdoor Vitals gear and how it’s designed with fastpackers and minimalist adventurers in mind. If you’ve been curious about how fastpacking can fit into your life—or you just want to find smarter ways to adventure farther and faster—this episode is for you. Key Takeaways: Fastpacking is a tool to cover more ground in less time, opening up bigger adventures even when life is busy.Dialing in your gear makes fastpacking possible—cut the weight without sacrificing comfort or safety.Hydration and electrolytes are mission-critical, especially for high-mileage days. Don't underestimate your salt needs.Nutrition strategy is everything—consistent fueling keeps your energy steady and prevents the dreaded calorie wall.Planning your day around effort, rest, and fueling is the secret to consistent, high-mileage success. Show Notes and Links: IntroductionThe Growth of Outdoor VitalsGame-Changing GearFastpacking vs. Traditional BackpackingNutrition & Hydration in the BackcountryThe Evolution of Down vs. Synthetic InsulationLessons Learned from Long Days on the TrailWhat’s Next for Outdoor Vitals?Outdoor VitalsTokes alcohol stoveVentus Active HoodieVario JacketSkyline FastpackTushar Rain JacketAltitude Sun HoodieRe-LyteText the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #176 Fastpacking: How To Cover More Ground In Less Time with Tayson Whittaker
  5. 03/10/2025

    #175 The Power of Rucking with Ruck Evolution’s Bria Ruben

    In this episode of the By Land Podcast, I sit down with Bria Ruben, co-founder of Ruck Evolution, to explore the benefits of rucking—a simple yet powerful way to build fitness, mental resilience, and community. Rucking is walking with weight, and it’s one of the most accessible, low-impact ways to increase endurance and strength.   Bria shares how she discovered rucking, why it became such a key part of her life, and how Ruck Evolution is making rucking more accessible with innovative water-based weight systems. We talk about why rucking is great for all fitness levels, how it can be integrated into everyday life, and the role of community in keeping people moving. If you’ve been looking for a practical, no-fuss way to improve your health and prepare for outdoor adventures, this conversation will inspire you to start rucking today. Key Takeaways: Rucking is an easy way to build endurance, strength, and mental resilience—it’s simply walking with weight.Anyone can ruck—start light and gradually increase weight and distance.Rucking is highly functional—it translates well to activities like hiking, hunting, and everyday movement.It’s more than fitness—rucking builds community and brings people together.You don’t need fancy gear to start—a backpack and some weight (like water bottles) is enough. Show Notes and Links: Introduction – Why rucking is worth your timeBria’s Background – How she discovered rucking and her work in recreation therapyRucking 101 – What it is, why it works, and how to get startedThe Benefits of Rucking – Strength, endurance, mental clarity, and injury preventionHow Rucking Fits Into Everyday Life – Training for outdoor adventures, fitness goals, and moreBuilding a Rucking Community – Why doing it with others keeps you motivatedRuck Evolution’s Innovative Gear – How they’re making rucking more accessibleFinal Thoughts & Resources – Where to learn more and how to get started todayhttps://www.ruckevolution.com/Ruck Evolution Aquabells: https://www.ruckevolution.com/product-page/ruck-evolution-aquabellsWeighted Vest (amazon): https://amzn.to/3QPmqnsText the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #175 The Power of Rucking with Ruck Evolution’s Bria Ruben
  6. 01/23/2025

    #174 Bridging the Divide: Hunting vs. Rec with Kevin Timm of Seek Outside

    In this episode, I sit down with Kevin Timm, founder of Seek Outside, to discuss the intersection of hunting, backpacking, and innovation in outdoor gear design. Kevin shares his thoughts on bridging the divide between recreational users and hunters, the role of durability in product design, and the stories behind Seek Outside's tents and backpacks. We dive into the evolution of his minimalist, high-performance shelters and why they’ve become a staple for serious adventurers around the world. Kevin also talks about the philosophy that drives his company’s commitment to user-tested, proven gear and why experience in the outdoors should always trump external validation. Key Takeaways: Bridging the Divide: Kevin discusses how marketing has contributed to the division between hunters and recreational adventurers and emphasizes the shared love of nature.Gear That Lasts: Seek Outside's products are designed to be user-tested and capable of thriving in diverse environments, from Alaskan hunts to desert hikes.Innovation in Design: Kevin shares how Seek Outside’s tents, particularly their zipperless shelters, provide durability without sacrificing weight.The Power of Minimalism: Experienced backpackers tend to favor simple, functional gear that reduces bulk and increases versatility.Access and Conservation: Kevin explains the importance of public land access and highlights issues such as landlocked public areas and the complexities of wildlife conservation. Show Notes and Links: Introduction: Welcoming Kevin Timm back to the podcast and revisiting his journey with Seek Outside.The Outdoor Divide: Discussing the divide between hunters and recreational adventurers and how marketing plays a role.The Origins of Seek Outside: Kevin’s motivation for creating gear that excels in harsh conditions.Tents That Survive Anything: A breakdown of the Red Cliff and Cimarron shelters and their legendary durability.Packs that Redefine Comfort: How Seek Outside integrates backpacking and hunting designs to create sub-3lb packs that carry heavy loads comfortably.Simplifying Gear Needs: Why minimalist pack designs are often superior to overbuilt models full of pockets.Conservation Conversations: The importance of public land access and issues like corner crossing and landlocked land.Valuing Experience Over Trophies: Kevin’s reflections on why outdoor experiences matter more than external validation.https://seekoutside.com/https://seekoutside.com/silex-1p-xl/https://seekoutside.com/sunlight-2p/https://seekoutside.com/cimarron-4p/https://seekoutside.com/flight-3/Text the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #174 Bridging the Divide: Hunting vs. Rec with Kevin Timm of Seek Outside
  7. 01/11/2025

    #173 From 100 Miles to Full-Time Creator with Chad Lubinski

    In this episode, I sit down with Chad to dive into his journey from a beginner hiker to a seasoned thru-hiker, ultra-runner, and outdoor content creator. We explore the moments that shaped his path, including his first 100-mile hike, overcoming mental and physical challenges, and his leap from a 9-to-5 job to full-time content creation. Chad shares his insights on balancing passion with work, avoiding burnout, and how endurance sports like ultra-running have influenced his approach to hunting and outdoor adventures. This episode is packed with honest reflections, valuable lessons, and inspiration for anyone pursuing adventure and creativity. Key Takeaways 100-Mile Hikes Build Resilience: Reaching the 100-mile mark on a hike forces you to adapt and grow, making it a significant milestone for backpackers.Mentorship Accelerates Learning: Observing experienced hikers can help you fast-track your progress and avoid common mistakes.Compartmentalization Prevents Burnout: Separating content creation from personal adventures helps maintain a healthy relationship with the outdoors.Endurance Sports Enhance Mental Toughness: Ultra-running taught Chad how to endure discomfort and maintain focus during long hunting trips.Pursuing Passion Requires Discipline: Whether it's creating content or pursuing outdoor goals, success comes from building habits and embracing the hard moments. Show Notes and Links Intro and Catching UpThe Waterfall Controversy and Preferences in NatureChad’s First 100-Mile Hike and the Power of MentorshipTransition to Full-Time Content CreationBalancing Content Creation with Outdoor EnjoymentAvoiding Burnout as a CreatorOvercoming Setbacks and Finding MotivationFrom Ultra-Running to Hunting: Lessons in EnduranceThe Reality of Hunting as an Endurance Sport Discipline, Passion, and Self-DiscoveryChad's InstagramChad's YouTube ChannelText the show! Support the show Thanks for tuning in!  Check out the links below to learn more, connect, and support the show. www.byland.coJoin my NON-SPAM newsletterLeave a Tipemory@byland.co

    #173 From 100 Miles to Full-Time Creator with Chad Lubinski
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This podcast is about learning how to have better backcountry experiences and understanding why spending time outside matters in the first place.I have conversations with people from diverse outdoor backgrounds to learn from them and hear their personal stories. I cover everything from backpacking, hiking, hunting, conservation, and outdoor skills to the broader role the outdoors can play in our health, perspective, and everyday lives.Thanks for listening!-Emory, By Land