Energized with Dr. Mariza

Dr. Mariza Snyder

Energized host and bestselling author Dr. Mariza Snyder puts the power back in your hands so that you can age powerfully and live life to the fullest. Get ready to navigate your hormone and metabolic journey with wisdom and grace throughout your forties and beyond.  Each episode will leave you feeling empowered with the knowledge of how your body actually works by providing root-cause explanations for the symptoms you’re facing (with a side of real talk) along with proven, research-driven solutions to reset your metabolism, fatigue, and hormones. In each information-packed episode, you will discover solutions designed to reclaim your energy and aliveness so that you can feel ENERGIZED in your body and become the CEO of your health.  Visit www.drmariza.com for hundreds of free recipes and resources, plus game-changing programs, products, and incredible support designed to optimize your metabolism, energy, and brain function as you powerfully navigate the second half of your life.   This podcast was formerly named "Essentially You with Dr. Mariza".

  1. 2D AGO

    736: Why Women Over 40 Feel So Drained (The Mineral Deficiency No One Talks About) with Caroline Alan

    Over 90% of adults over 40 are mineral-deficient. Are you one of them?  In this podcast, mineral expert and Beam Minerals co-founder Caroline Alan breaks down why and how mineral depletion quietly impacts energy, hormones, and overall vitality.  As women enter perimenopause already running on empty, we explore how declining hormones combined with modern lifestyle stressors leave the body struggling to maintain key functions like mitochondrial energy, detoxification, and cognitive health.  Caroline introduces the power of plant-based minerals, explaining how they replenish cellular reserves and play a critical role in hormone balance, fertility, and brain chemistry.  This conversation highlights why minerals are a missing piece in midlife wellness—and how simple daily habits can restore what your body has been burning through for years.  If you’ve been feeling exhausted despite doing “everything right,” this episode is for you! Tune in here. Caroline Alan Caroline Alan is the Co-Founder and CEO of BEAM Minerals Inc. After her busy corporate career, Caroline found herself struggling physically, mentally, and energetically. As a result of her journey back to health and years of deep study, Caroline has become devoted to educating people about how minerals operate in the body, why we need to supplement our mineral intake, and the benefits of natural humic and fulvic– plant-based mineral substances for replenishment in the body. Caroline is a regular contributor to Podcasts and health-focused events/programs around the world. IN THIS EPISODE How a mineral deficiency impacts perimenopause symptoms  What do minerals really do in your body? Why minerals are so important for perimenopausal women  How plant-based minerals can meet the needs of your body  What exactly are plant-based minerals, and how can you get them?  Humic and Fulvic molecules and how they work in your body  The biggest benefits of replenishing your minerals in midlife  Getting started with Beam Minerals to feel your best in your body  QUOTES“At a cellular level, minerals represent the fuel for energy production in your body.” “All these minerals work together, the way all your cells work together, they all rely on one another in a very complex way… so that's why we end up talking about plant-based minerals because they're actually Mother Nature's solution to this issue of needing different minerals at different stages of your life.” “If you start actually filling, replenishing minerals using humic and fulvic, that actually will get the minerals to the right place inside your cells, and now you start to have some huge shifts.” RESOURCES MENTIONED 👉🏻 Order my new book: The Perimenopause Revolution ⛓️‍💥 https://peri-revolution.com/ 👉🏻 Order Caroline Alan’s The Mineral Reset Book ⛓️‍💥 https://amzn.to/4cauIkd 👉🏻 Beam Minerals Website– Use code ENERGIZED for 20% off your first order! ⛓️‍💥 http://www.beamminerals.com ⁠👉🏻 Beam Minerals Women’s Complete Mineral Support Kit ⛓️‍💥 https://www.beamminerals.com/products/womens-mineral-support-kit⁠ Beam Minerals Instagram Beam Minerals on YouTube Caroline Alan on Instagram RELATED EPISODES 640: Unveiling The Essential Role of Minerals For Cellular Energy And Detoxification with Caroline Alan 732: The Silent Disruptor: How Chronic Stress Hijacks Perimenopause 726: The Midlife Mood Shift: The Hormonal Rewire That Changes Everything with Dr. Sonya Jensen 659: Brain Fog, Joint Pain, and Aging Skin? The Truth About Zombie Cells and How to Reverse Them with Dr. Greg Kelly

    59 min
  2. 4D AGO

    735: The Stress–Metabolism Connection: Why You’re Gaining Weight, Craving Sugar & Struggling with Energy

    Feeling like you’re doing everything right… but still struggling with unwanted weight, cravings, and low energy?  This episode is for you. We’re unpacking why your metabolism may not be broken at all—and how a dysregulated nervous system could be the real reason your body feels stuck.  For midlife women especially, chronic stress can quietly drive insulin resistance, hormonal shifts, and that frustrating loss of resilience that seems to hit in your 40s and beyond.  So this conversation sheds light on the powerful connection between stress and your ability to create and sustain energy in your body.  You’ll walk away with an empowering perspective on how supporting your nervous system can unlock real, lasting change in your health.  Tune in here to learn how to work with your body—not against it—and start feeling like yourself again! IN THIS EPISODE The correlation between stress and your metabolic health  What’s really happening in your body in a stressful state The negative impacts of stress-induced blood sugar responses  How you can experience a blood sugar spike without eating  Simple tips for calming your nervous system and stabilizing your metabolism and blood sugar levels  Movement recommendations for getting stress out of your system  How to take control of your body in my Midlife On Fire Collective  QUOTES“This is what's called a stress-induced blood sugar response, and it's completely normal in the short term, right? We are built for this…But the problem is, for most of us, this isn't happening once in a while. It's happening all the time, and over time research shows that it can lead to higher insulin levels, increased fat storage, especially in the abdomen, and more inflammation and oxidative stress in the body.” “Your metabolism is deeply connected to your nervous system. So what can you do about this? I want to keep this real simple because this isn't about doing more, it's about doing fewer things consistently.” “If we can start to create more safety in our bodies, it just changes everything. And we deserve that. We deserve to feel safe, because that translates into the safety of the people around us as well.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Join my Midlife on Fire Collective https://go2.drmariza.com/midlife-on-fire/ Join my 7- Day Metabolism and Hormone Jumpstart https://go.drmariza.com/lp/metabolism-jumpstart/ Order my latest book: The Perimenopause Revolution https://peri-revolution.com/ Dr. Jason Fung’s book: The Hunger Code https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/ RELATED EPISODES  729: Why Counting Calories Doesn’t Work (And What Actually Controls Hunger) with Dr. Jason Fung 730: The Metabolic Shift After 40: What’s Really Driving Weight, Energy & Mood Changes 732: The Silent Disruptor: How Chronic Stress Hijacks Perimenopause 698: Food Noise, Cravings, and Midlife Weight Gain: How to Regain Control Naturally with Sarah Kennedy

    25 min
  3. APR 2

    734: The Truth About Botox, Sunscreen & Skin Aging After 40: What Actually Works (and What’s a Waste) with Dr. Mamina Turegano

    If you’re like me, you’ve noticed that among all the other crazy changes happening in perimenopause, your skin isn’t the same as it used to be.  In this episode, I’m joined by triple board-certified dermatologist and skincare expert Dr. Mamina Turegano to break down what’s really happening to your skin during midlife.  From increased dryness and loss of firmness to subtle shifts in texture, we explore why these changes occur and how fluctuations in your hormones play a major role. Dr. Turegano shares how your skin is truly a window into your internal health, offering clues about everything from inflammation to overall aging and longevity.  This conversation goes beyond surface-level skincare to help you understand what your skin is trying to tell you—and how to support it from the inside out.  You’ll also learn what actually works (and what to skip) so you can simplify your routine and avoid common midlife skincare mistakes.  Tune in here to feel like your most confident and radiant self! Mamina Turegano, MD  Dr. Mamina Turegano is a triple board-certified dermatologist, internist, and dermatopathologist based in New Orleans. She specializes in medical, cosmetic, and integrative dermatology, blending conventional and holistic approaches to skin health. With over 2 million followers across social media, she shares dermatologist-backed skincare and wellness insights with a broad audience. She also co-hosts a podcast called Skin Deep MDs. IN THIS EPISODE Dr. Mamina’s integrative medicine approach to Dermatology  What’s happening to your skin during perimenopause? Discussing the use of topical hormone products like estrogen cream  Realistic skin care routines for midlife women  Considering prescription products vs. over-the-counter skin care Benefits, side effects, and recommendations for Botox  External factors that are impacting your skin and aging  How crucial your lifestyle choices are in determining your skin quality  Top products for managing midlife wrinkles, dark spots, and hair loss  Getting to the root cause of your symptoms and treating proactively  QUOTES“It's all tied together, how you take care of yourself internally and optimize your skin health. That all will manifest with how you age externally.” “I want people to feel reassured. They don't have to do a lot. The super foundational part of a skincare routine is making sure that you're cleansing daily— even washing your face is anti-aging.” “I’m all about implementing lifestyle strategies. Skincare and lasers, they could do a lot, but they can only do so much. You can really optimize the results of your skincare and your procedures too if you have the right mechanisms in place internally. If your mitochondria is optimized, optimizing your sleep, minimizing more of those inflammation-inducing foods, minimizing sugar, minimizing alcohol, minimizing stress.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Order my newest book: The Perimenopause Revolution HERE!  https://peri-revolution.com/ Dr. Mamina’s Website Dr. Mamina on Instagram Dr. Mamina on TikTok   Dr. Mamina on YouTube Dr. Mamina’s Podcast: Skin Deep MDs RELATED EPISODES  631: Halt and Reverse Skin Aging, Plus the Top Preventable Factors Driving Skin Aging with Dr. Alessandra Zonari 659: Brain Fog, Joint Pain, and Aging Skin? The Truth About Zombie Cells and How to Reverse Them with Dr. Greg Kelly #623: Red Light Therapy for Upgrading Your Mitochondria, Cellular Energy, Skin and Brain Health with Jonathan Otto595: How to Master Your Metabolism and Reverse Cellular Aging in Midlife + My Best Tips to Thrive with Dr. Mariza

    48 min
  4. MAR 31

    733: Why We’re Still Exhausted in the Age of “Evidence-Based” Everything with Shawn Stevenson

    We have SO much information at our fingertips, and tons of science to back it up… but what REALLY moves the needle when it comes to wellness?  Here’s the truth– information isn't the problem. Isolation is. We’re not short on data. We’re short on the kind of environment that actually supports what we know we need to do. That’s why in today’s episode, I’m joined by bestselling author and integrative health expert Dr. Shawn Stevenson to uncover what’s really missing in today’s health conversation.  Despite having more access to evidence-based information than ever, so many people still feel exhausted, inflamed, and metabolically unwell—and we explore why that gap exists.  Dr. Stevenson breaks down where even practitioners and wellness leaders are getting it wrong when it comes to creating lasting change.  We cut through the noise to focus on simple, science-backed strategies that actually make an impact on your health and longevity.  Ready to simplify your approach and finally feel better in your body?  Tune in here! Shawn Stevenson Shawn Stevenson is the author of the USA Today National bestsellers Eat Smarter and the Eat Smarter Family Cookbook, as well as the international bestselling book Sleep Smarter. He’s also the creator of The Model Health Show, featured as the number #1 health podcast in the U.S.. A graduate of the University of Missouri, Shawn studied business, biology, and nutritional science and became the cofounder of Advanced Integrative Health Alliance. Shawn has been featured in Forbes, Fast Company, The New York Times, Good Morning America, ESPN, and many other major media outlets. IN THIS EPISODE What society is getting wrong about “evidence-based” information Tuning into your body and emotions and tapping into its needs  Why sleep is a force multiplier for overall wellness  How to stack good habits in your favor and make them stick  Being intentional about your community and relationships  How your relationships with others can impact every aspect of your lifestyle choices  Simple healthy habits to adopt to enhance your wellness and improve your longevity More about Dr. Stevenson's podcast and best-selling books  QUOTES “We're swimming in information, we're swimming in content. There's just so much. We are being pulled away from the most important source of data that we will ever have, which is ourselves. Your body already knows. Your mind already knows what's best for you, but we are not listening.” “The longest running study in history where they follow people and after compiling all the data… the number one determinant of how long people live is the quality of their relationships.” “It's finding what works best for you, but giving yourself some form of an evening routine, something consistent so your brain knows that we're transitioning into rest. And communicating that with your loved ones, with your family, because they will be the potential obstacles or the potential supporters.”  RESOURCES MENTIONED Order my new book: The Perimenopause Revolution HERE! https://peri-revolution.com/ Order Dr. Stevenson’s Book: The Eat Smarter Family Cookbook https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Smarter-Family-Cookbook-Connection/ The Model Health Show Dr. Stevenson on Instagram RELATED EPISODES  730: The Metabolic Shift After 40: What’s Really Driving Weight, Energy & Mood Changes 720: Why No One Talks About Loneliness in Midlife—And Why It’s Not Just You 717: “I Don’t Feel Like Myself Anymore”: The Mental & Emotional Reality of Perimenopause 725: Exhausted, Wired & Not Yourself? The Hormone Havoc Causing Midlife Burnout with Dr. Amy Shah

    51 min
  5. MAR 26

    732: The Silent Disruptor: How Chronic Stress Hijacks Perimenopause

    Balancing the overwhelm of family, work, and midlife symptoms, all while just trying to feel like yourself again? You’re NOT alone.  In today’s episode, we explore stress as the silent disruptor of midlife—and why it can amplify so many of the symptoms you experience during perimenopause.  We go beyond surface-level stress management and dive into how chronic stress impacts your nervous system, hormones, and overall wellness.  We also highlight the often-overlooked power of connection and community, reframing them as a force multiplier for healing during this phase of life.  You’ll learn simple, practical tools you can start using today to calm your nervous system and navigate overwhelming days with more ease and resilience.  Ready to feel in control again? Tune in here to soften the stress and show up as your best self!  IN THIS EPISODE What makes stress so silent in perimenopause?  The biology of trauma and how unresolved trauma can show up as midlife symptoms  How connection and community enhance your longevity Forming meaningful relationships and cultivating a sisterhood Simple and practical tools to build community connection Recognizing triggers and learning ways to ease your nervous system Exploring the benefits of breathing techniques, movement, natural light, sleep, and quality connections  QUOTES “When you're under constant stress, which most of us are, this system gets stuck in the on position. And during perimenopause, we know that cortisol levels are often elevated, making every symptom feel worse.” “The effects of loneliness and social isolation have been compared to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. Loneliness increases your risk of premature death by 26%, heart disease by 29%, and stroke by 32%.” “When you heal your relationship with stress and build meaningful connections, you're not just helping yourself. You are modeling for your children what it looks like to prioritize mental health and community. You're also contributing to a larger global shift in how we talk about menopause, and how we talk about resilience.” RESOURCES MENTIONED 👉🏻 Use code ENERGIZED and get 10% off on your Troscription Order ⛓️‍💥 http://troscriptions.com/ENERGIZED 👉🏻 Join my Midlife on Fire Collective HERE! ⛓️‍💥 https://go2.drmariza.com/midlife-on-fire/ 👉🏻 Join my 7- Day Metabolism and Hormone Jumpstart HERE! ⛓️‍💥 https://go.drmariza.com/lp/metabolism-jumpstart/ 👉🏻 Order my latest book: The Perimenopause Revolution HERE ⛓️‍💥 https://peri-revolution.com/ RELATED EPISODES  722: Why Women Feel Unsafe Right Now: Trauma, Hormones & Protecting the Next Generation with Dr. Aimie Apigian 726: The Midlife Mood Shift: The Hormonal Rewire That Changes Everything with Dr. Sonya Jensen 720: Why No One Talks About Loneliness in Midlife—And Why It’s Not Just You 717: “I Don’t Feel Like Myself Anymore”: The Mental & Emotional Reality of Perimenopause #612: That Sucked. Now What? How to Navigate Health, Identity, and Life Transitions with Dr. Neeta Nawalkha

    35 min
  6. MAR 24

    731: Why Your Labs Look Normal But Your Body Feels Off with Dr. Robin Berzin

    Sick of being told your labs are “normal” when you KNOW something’s off?  In today’s episode, I’m joined by functional medicine expert Dr. Robin Berzin to talk about what it really means to take control of your health in midlife.  Dr. Berzin shares the early warning signs to watch for and how to better interpret your health data so you can catch imbalances before they become bigger issues.  You’ll learn how to advocate for yourself, understand key lab markers, and explore why supportive options like supplementation and HRT could be game-changers for you.  We’re reframing health as an ongoing, flexible practice—not a rigid destination—helping you release perfection and stay curious about what your body needs.  Tune in here to feel empowered and take your health into your own hands with confidence!  Dr. Robin Berzin  Dr. Robin Berzin the founder and CEO of Parsley Health, America's leading holistic medical practice designed to help women overcome chronic conditions. As a pioneer in functional medicine, she founded Parsley to address the rise of chronic disease in America through personalized holistic medicine. She stresses the importance of not only medications and treatments, but more so why food, lifestyle, and proactive diagnostics are just as essential– if not more. Since founding Parsley in 2016, Dr. Berzin has seen 80% of patients improve or resolve their chronic conditions within their first year of care, showing the life-changing value of making modern holistic medicine accessible to everyone. IN THIS EPISODE How to navigate feeling dismissed by your doctor  Why “normal” doesn’t always mean normal  The massive benefits of a functional medicine approach Proactively testing hormone levels earlier than you may think Tracking your metrics to better understand your body  Managing stress in your body and mind during midlife  How to realistically fit healthy habits into your busy routine Supplementation to support your body through midlife transitions  Hormone Replacement therapy and GLP-1 use in perimenopause & beyond  QUOTES “A lot of times, the labs may technically fall within the normal range, not the optimal range– normal range being based on an average of Americans today, and 60% of Americans have at least one chronic condition, 40% have two. So our averages have drifted over time to kind of reflect a sick population.” “Whether it's aging parents or kids growing up, or something happening career-wise… all of that puts pressure on a physical system that’s in dynamic change hormonally, and I think we have to recognize that.” “Proactive, preventive medicine is where we're going. Proactive testing is required to practice that type of personalized preventive care, and I believe that HRT is going to become the default rather than the exception.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Order my new book: The Perimenopause Revolution https://peri-revolution.com/ Robin’s Website Robin on Instagram Parsley Health Website RELATED EPISODES #661: When ‘Normal’ Isn’t Normal: How to Be Heard (and Taken Seriously) at the Doctor’s Office #650: Unlock Your Health: The Ultimate Biomarker & Lab Blueprint to Thrive in Midlife and Beyond #541: Why Functional Labs Are a Game Changer for Your Health with Dr. Kela Smith #527: The Science Of Energy Production and Recovery & How To Balance Out Cortisol and Melatonin with Kristen Holmes

    1h 1m
  7. MAR 19

    730: The Metabolic Shift After 40: What’s Really Driving Weight, Energy & Mood Changes

    Midlife is the time to measure, understand your body, and take proactive steps to support your future self.  In this episode, I’m diving into the massive metabolic shift that happens during perimenopause—and why this stage of life is the perfect time to build true metabolic resilience.  We explore how metabolism doesn’t respond to punishment or extremes, but instead thrives on consistent biological rhythms and supportive daily signals.  Even small, simple habits can create powerful changes when practiced consistently. Because over time, these small shifts can stabilize energy, reduce inflammation, and help eliminate those frustrating crashes.  If you’re ready to feel deeply supported in midlife, this episode will give you the roadmap to start today! IN THIS EPISODE One of the MOST important upgrades of your life  Preventing chronic disease and protecting your heart and brain health  Defining your own habits that bring you energy and clarity  Navigating hormone shifts and other physiological changes happening in midlife  Building life-changing habits that you can be consistent with  What to expect from my new FREE jumpstart program!  QUOTES “I am more committed than ever to protecting my metabolic and brain health. Even on the hard days, because at the center of everything, your energy, your mood, your weight, your resilience, is your cellular energy, your cellular capacity is what’s determining the symptoms.” “I believe a big part of our midlife journey is building daily habits that protect our cellular energy.” “Perimenopause is the most rapid intervention window for body composition change. A 2020 study showed the greatest decline in lean muscle mass occurs during perimenopause.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Kickstart your Energy in my FREE 7-day Jumpstart Program HERE! https://go.drmariza.com/lp/reignite-your-energy/ Order my newest book: The Perimenopause Revolution HERE!  https://peri-revolution.com/ RELATED EPISODES  728: Why Brain Fog Isn’t Random: The Hormone Shift Behind It 727: The Missing Link in Perimenopause: How to Rebuild Energy, Resilience & Hormonal Harmony with Dr. Deanna Minich 725: Exhausted, Wired & Not Yourself? The Hormone Havoc Causing Midlife Burnout with Dr. Amy Shah #632: The Secret to Optimal Sleep, Resilience, Performance and Emotional Wellbeing with Dr. Kristen Holmes

    32 min
  8. MAR 17

    729: Why Counting Calories Doesn’t Work (And What Actually Controls Hunger) with Dr. Jason Fung

    There’s SO much more to a healthy diet than calories in vs. calories out.  That’s why in today’s episode, I’m joined by renowned physician and metabolic health expert Dr. Jason Fung to unpack the science of hunger and why we’ve totally dropped the ball on healthy eating habits in today’s society.  We dive into the concept of food noise and explore the different types of hunger—especially the environmental and conditioned cues that are quietly driving your eating habits.  Dr. Fung explains how awareness of these triggers can be a powerful first step in shifting your relationship with food so you can feel healthier than ever before.  Drawing from insights in his book The Hunger Code, he shares practical strategies to help you identify your triggers and regain control over your appetite. Tune in here for some empowering tools to feel confident and amazing in your body again!  Dr. Jason Fung  Dr. Jason Fung is a physician, researcher, and New York Times best-selling author currently practicing in Toronto. His books, including The Obesity Code, The Complete Guide to Fasting, The Diabetes Code, and The Cancer Code, challenge conventional thinking and offer loads of dietary strategies to improve overall health. He’s the co-founder of The Fasting Method, which provides the education, tools, and community needed to successfully implement intermittent fasting. He’s also the medical director of The Diabetes Code Clinic in Toronto, focused on type 2 diabetes remission. IN THIS EPISODE The importance of focusing on your hunger over calorie counting  Breaking our conditioned responses to eating  Looking at the social context and environmental factors for hunger What’s really triggering your hunger cues  Best tips for avoiding ultra-processed foods  Dr. Fung’s 3 golden rules of weight loss  Lifestyle choices that can make a drastic impact on your weight Understanding hedonic hunger and other important topics found in Dr. Fung’s book: The Hunger Code QUOTES “You can only take care of the problem if you understand the problem. So once you understand ‘this food noise, it's this conditioned hunger’, now you can actually come up with a plan so that [you’re] prepared for this.” “It's really a game changer in that it will hopefully really broaden people's perspective on the key issues. I have the three golden rules, but there's like 50 weight loss tips because everybody's different.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Order my new book: The Perimenopause Revolution https://peri-revolution.com/ Order Dr. Fung’s book: The Hunger Code HERE– and get a FREE gift with your pre-order! https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/gift-with-purchase-offer https://www.amazon.com/Hunger-Code-Resetting-Thermostat-Ultra-Processed-ebook The Fasting Method Dr. Fung on Instagram RELATED EPISODES  708: Calories Aren’t the Problem: What Midlife Women Really Need to Know About Fat Loss with Brian Keane 698: Food Noise, Cravings, and Midlife Weight Gain: How to Regain Control Naturally with Sarah Kennedy 696: Why Diets Stop Working in Midlife—and What Actually Helps Instead with Lara Frendjian 682: The Simple Daily Habit That Balances Blood Sugar, Boosts Energy & Extends Longevity #613: Effective Tools for Curbing Your Appetite in Midlife and Optimizing Your Blood Sugar with Nagina Sethi Abdullah

    56 min
4.8
out of 5
968 Ratings

About

Energized host and bestselling author Dr. Mariza Snyder puts the power back in your hands so that you can age powerfully and live life to the fullest. Get ready to navigate your hormone and metabolic journey with wisdom and grace throughout your forties and beyond.  Each episode will leave you feeling empowered with the knowledge of how your body actually works by providing root-cause explanations for the symptoms you’re facing (with a side of real talk) along with proven, research-driven solutions to reset your metabolism, fatigue, and hormones. In each information-packed episode, you will discover solutions designed to reclaim your energy and aliveness so that you can feel ENERGIZED in your body and become the CEO of your health.  Visit www.drmariza.com for hundreds of free recipes and resources, plus game-changing programs, products, and incredible support designed to optimize your metabolism, energy, and brain function as you powerfully navigate the second half of your life.   This podcast was formerly named "Essentially You with Dr. Mariza".

You Might Also Like