Unseen Unknown

Jasmine Bina, Jean-Louis Rawlence
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Unseen Unknown is a brand and business strategy podcast about the hidden threads that connect even the most distant of cultural concepts. We look at the emerging trends and behaviors that may be pointing to a deeper truth and ask the bigger question, “Why is society moving in this direction, and how can we apply it to business?” We believe if we can’t see it in our culture, then we can’t know it in the market. From retail and consumerism to politics, gender, identity and values, there are patterns everywhere that illuminate a path forward for brands. Your hosts, Jasmine Bina and Jean-Louis Rawlence, are brand strategists and futurists that explore these questions every day in their work for companies around the world. We’ll be interviewing thought leaders and domain experts both within brand strategy and outside of it. Expect to hear from people from all walks of life: artists, scientists, CEOs, journalists, professors, technologists and everyone in between. If you’re a founder, leader, storyteller or creator, this podcast will compel you to think at a macro level you haven’t considered before. We also write and publish videos on everything brand strategy. You can see all of that here: https://conceptbureau.substack.com/

  1. 1D AGO

    30: How To Be Professionally Curious

    Staying professionally curious sounds simple, but it is one of the hardest disciplines of strategy. It is not about reading more, saving more, scrolling more, or building an infinite pile of references. It is about developing a mind that knows what to feed on, what to reject, and how to metabolize information into original thought. Information is food. We digest ideas, chew on thoughts, sit with raw facts, and let things simmer. If strategists are bodybuilders of the mind, the diet has to be intentional. Social feeds, books, podcasts, conversations, lectures, old histories, fiction, academia, and side projects each have a different nutritional profile. Some inputs raise adrenaline or cortisol. Some restore oxytocin. Some provide breadth, but very little depth. The question is not just whether an input is good or bad. It is what that input does to your nervous system and whether it can become useful thought. Consumption is only half the work. The more important part is digestion. You have to chew the information by slowing down, reflecting, talking about it, writing through it, and turning the jewel with other people. Conversation adds emotional stakes and intellectual rigor. This episode also looks at the instinct behind great strategy: the ability to notice what is weird and know when the weirdness matters. The strongest insights rarely come from the average box of shared information. They come from rare places, from the edges of fields, old books, sci-fi, academia, history, other professions, and strange moments where trend and countertrend rhyme. That is where AI becomes complicated. It can help us go wide and find more material. But when it starts deciding what is interesting, it can weaken the very muscle strategists are trying to build. Professional curiosity is not passive openness. It is disciplined exposure. And when everyone is consuming the same feeds and asking the same tools for answers, the rare insight belongs to the person who still knows how to get lost. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: How To Create a High Performance Information Diet (Concept Bureau) Metaphors We Live By (George Lakoff and Mark Johnson) Digital Being: social media and the predictive mind (Ben White, Andy Clark and Mark Miller) Make Noise: A Creator's Guide to Podcasting and Great Audio Storytelling (Eric Nuzum) Why we stopped making Einsteins (Erik Hoel) Check out our Substack for more brand strategy thinking, and our community Exposure Therapy.

    37 min

  2. APR 6

    29: Pruned Futures

    Some of our most prominent expectations of the future just died. In this episode, we explore what replaces them. We start with achievement. For decades, culture has been organized around progress and accomplishment. But as AI accelerates discovery and takes over more forms of achievement, that model begins to break. Achievement becomes less meaningful, and attention shifts toward experience, connection, and how life feels. At the same time, AI has become a mythology. As belief in collective human solutions declines, many futures have collapsed into one idea: AI will solve it for us. Not because we know it will, but because it is the only narrative that can hold that scale of hope. This leaves us in a liminal space. Old systems no longer work, and new ones have not formed. You can see this in motherhood and beauty as well. The idea that motherhood can be incrementally improved has given way to a need for entirely new models. Beauty is also fragmenting, moving from a single ideal to many competing definitions, with cultural signals reflecting a rejection of the old standard. Across all of this, the pattern is the same. We are moving from progress to ambiguity. From clear signals to contested ones. From knowing what to strive for to having to invent it ourselves. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: The Futures That Just Died (Concept Bureau) Deep Utopia (Nick Bostrom) Awakening from the Meaning Crisis (John Vervaeke) The Singularity Is Near (Ray Kurzweil) Meta told to pay $375m for misleading users over child safety (BBC) Check out our Substack for more brand strategy thinking, and our community Exposure Therapy.

    37 min

  3. MAR 18

    28: Two Kinds of People

    The middle is disappearing. What's left looks like two kinds of people. One group is going all in - AI maximalism, founder mode, the sense that the window is closing and if you don't build your way through it now, it closes behind you forever. The other group is opting out entirely - redefining success as non-participation, embracing slow life, opting out, as seen in trends like agrihoods, homesteading or people leaving the US in record numbers. They're two completely different theories of how to survive a moment where the old rules no longer hold. When a culture bifurcates this sharply, it usually means the underlying grammar has broken down. People can feel the shared system of signals that once told people what to build toward and how to know when they'd made it has eroded. What’s interesting, however, is that we don’t lose our ambitions in this vacuum. We invent entirely new languages for what ambition even means. That's what this episode is really about. We use the lens of "distance" - the gaps people manufacture between themselves and others to signal status, meaning, and belonging - to trace how aspiration moves when money stops being a reliable signal, productivity stops being a virtue, and the social contract stops making promises it can keep. We talk about what people reach for when the structures that once told them what to reach for have stopped working. What emerges across all of it is a shift from having to being, from acquiring the right things to inhabiting the right feeling. That's a more radical change than it sounds. It rewrites what brands are actually speaking to and what it means to build something people want in a world that’s rethinking its desires. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: Distance and Alternative Signals of Status: A Unifying Framework (Sylvia Bellezza) Exit Society (Concept Bureau) Deceit, Desire, and the Novel: Self and Other in Literary Structure (René Girard) Rule Makers, Rule Breakers: How Tight and Loose Cultures Wire Our World (Michele Gelfand) Americans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers (Wall Street Journal) Check out our Substack for more brand strategy thinking, and our community Exposure Therapy.

    31 min

  4. FEB 25

    27: Trust in a Time of Monsters

    Trust has always been the invisible architecture beneath brands, institutions, and markets. But today, that architecture is shifting. For the past decade, we’ve moved through distinct eras of trust. First came consequence brands, which positioned themselves around measurable moral impact. Then came emotion-led brands, where what felt right became the guiding force. Now we appear to be entering a third era, where trust is built not on credentials or transparency, but on visible sacrifice and embodied virtue. As institutional continuity weakens and shared reality fragments, credibility reorganizes around individuals. “Proof of knowing” carries less weight than “proof of doing.” Degrees, affiliations, and institutional endorsements are no longer sufficient signals. Instead, audiences look for lived experience, personal risk, and skin in the game. At the same time, many of the platforms designed to increase transparency have reduced everyday vulnerability. But true trust requires vulnerability. As a result, trust is reemerging in smaller, more intimate spaces where shared stakes and emotional exposure create safety. In this episode of Unseen Unknown, Jasmine and Jean-Louis explore how trust systems evolve, why incremental positioning feels insufficient in the current cultural climate, and what this shift means for founders and brands trying to remain credible. When trust becomes the product itself, the rules change. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: The Futures That Just Died (Concept Bureau) We’re Desperate For Potency (Concept Bureau) Edelman Trust Barometer Reports (Edelman) Who Can You Trust?: How Technology Brought Us Together and Why It Might Drive Us Apart (Rachel Botsman) Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right (Arlie Russell Hochschild) Gallup is stopping its Presidential Approval tracking (The New York Times) The great nonpartisan divide that's plaguing Americans (Axios) Check out our Substack for more brand strategy thinking, and our community Exposure Therapy.

    34 min

  5. 11/20/2023

    26: How Consumers “Know” Things In Today’s World

    From the way we create our identities and manage our health, to the way we employ therapy-speak at work and vote in elections, it’s apparent that people are increasingly being guided by feelings and intuition in places where they may have once relied on reasoning or ideology. This noetic, direct-knowing way of moving through the world may sound familiar to you. Perhaps a colleague was “guided” to change careers, or a friend decided to “detox” their personal life. Maybe you, yourself, have dabbled in any form of “energy” practices. None of these major decisions came from religious ideology. None of them came from scientific reasoning. They came from a third place of intuition, and this is an important cultural shift that revalues knowledge in our world. When 87% of Americans believe in at least one New Age spiritual belief, it's clear this third place of knowing is growing. But what is really interesting is what we see when we drill down into that majority. What we find is not so much spirituality but instead the very definition of noetics: knowledge that is felt to be true, inside, by the self, with intuition as its defining experiential characteristic.  In this house episode, Concept Bureau Senior Strategist Zach Lamb gives us a clear, compelling look at what this third epistemology actually is and how we’ve seen this new belief system emerging for the past few years in our work at Concept Bureau. It is a domain that is both needed and felt, but not yet surfaced in our culture… and that is the formula of a golden opportunity. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: The Noetic Future of Culture and Brands (Concept Bureau)High Fidelity Society Is Reorganizing The World (Concept Bureau)Awakening from the Meaning Crisis (John Vervaeke)The Body Keeps The Score (Bessel van der Kolk, MD. Check out our website for more brand strategy thinking, and come connect with us on Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn.

    27 min

  6. 10/23/2023

    25: Bizarre, Strange and Highly Relatable

    In this house episode, we speak with Concept Bureau strategist Rebecca Johnson about the concept of "weirdness" and brands.  All humans are weird, and brands that are willing to venture into strange and bizarre territories have a chance to connect with their audiences in a deeply emotional way. From Puppy Monkey Baby to the Pet Rock, we analyze brand weirdness's impact on consumer engagement and differentiation.  Weird is risky, but it’s also highly relatable when it’s done right. It can engender a form of trust that brands don’t usually experience with their users, while also signaling a brand’s values and vision.  It’s also a strong force of creativity. Everything new feels weird at first. Instead of shying away, Rebecca talks about how to lean into the odd side of human nature and create something novel. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: Drawing Wisdom from the Weird: Understanding the Influence of Weird on Brands and the Future (Concept Bureau)Goodbye Relevance, Hello Relatability: The New Industry of Brand Connection (Concept Bureau)Interview: Kevin Kelly, editor, author, and futurist (Noahpinion)Private Dinner Party: Clothing Not Allowed (The New York Times)The Tube Girl is selling confidence — and her audience is lining up (The Washington Post)This Man Married a Fictional Character. He’d Like You to Hear Him Out. (The New York Times) Check out our website for more brand strategy thinking, and come connect with us on Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn.

    27 min

  7. 10/09/2023

    24: How to Unlock Your Strategic Mind

    What does it mean to be good at thinking? Or more importantly, thinking strategically? Most people answer this question by saying that in order to be good at thinking, you have to be knowledgeable. And while knowledge is certainly a critical input for good thinking, it’s just an input. It’s not the actual practice of being able to think well. Good strategic thinking is the culmination of mental processes that enable us to analyze, reason, solve problems, make decisions, and generate creative ideas in an efficient manner. In other words, it’s a skill. But we don’t treat it as one. It’s something we can get better at and refine, a muscle that we can strengthen, and yet outside of our daily work, we do very little to develop that muscle. And it’s a special muscle, because thinking strategically demands that we employ all kinds of cognitive abilities at once. In this house episode of Unseen Unknown, Jasmine and Jean-Louis break down his steps for how to think strategically, and to keep getting better and better at it. Don’t take your ability to think strategically for granted. Many of us only do a fraction of what is possible with our minds, but there is a lot more power available to us when we start to cultivate our thinking skills. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: The issue at Houston Airport — Occupied time & design. (Caus)Episode 369: Wait Wait...Tell Me! (99% Invisible Podcast)The Truth Behind Japan’s “Seven Minute Miracle” (BBN Times)Episode 130: Diana Chapman: Trusting Your Instincts (The Knowledge Project Podcast)Known knowns, known unknowns, unknown unknowns & Leadership (Andrea Mantovani on Medium)Conspicuous Commitment Is The Next Era Of Status (Concept Bureau) Check out our website for more brand strategy thinking, and come connect with us on Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn.

    44 min

  8. 08/28/2023

    23: Pain, Sacrifice, and Our New Status Symbols

    Brands get lucky once, maybe twice every generation, when the rules of status change and social equity is suddenly up for grabs. Our Concept Bureau Senior Strategist Zach Lamb believes we are in the midst of one of those rare shifts right now, where we are moving from the self-indulgence of conspicuous consumption to the self-denial of what he calls “conspicuous commitment”. Public figures are devoting themselves to difficult new modalities, diets, spiritual quests, life practices and ideologies. Your friends are going on arduous, painful, yet revelatory, psychedelic retreats. All around us, wellness brands, food brands, medical brands, lifestyle brands tell us that self-denial is the new flex. No longer are we obsessed with flaunting material possessions and extravagant experiences; instead, we're witnessing the rise of people showcasing their unwavering dedication to self-work, vulnerability and personal growth. In a time when nihilism is literally everywhere, when pessimism gets clicks on headlines, when post-capitalist hopelessness is a trending aesthetic on TikTok and every meme deals in absurdity, conspicuous commitment stands out. In this episode, we also speak with W. David Marx, author of “Status and Culture: How Our Desire for Social Rank Creates Taste, Identity, Art, Fashion, and Constant Change” who has an alternative view of how status is tied to money more than ever, and what that means for an increasingly flattening culture. If you deal in any premium or luxury category, this is a must-listen. The ways we seek to distinguish ourselves have dramatically evolved as we prioritize discipline and personal growth over material success. That means everyone has to play by new rules. Links to interesting things mentioned in this episode and further reading: Conspicuous Commitment Is the Next Era Of Status (Concept Bureau)Status and Culture: How Our Desire for Social Rank Creates Taste, Identity, Art, Fashion, and Constant Change by W. David Marx (Amazon)Money Can’t Buy Happiness. It Can’t Even Buy Status, a New Book Says. (New York Times)‘The Most Measured Man in Human History’ (Vice)High Fidelity Society is Reorganizing the World (Concept Bureau)Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid by Jonathan Haidt (The Atlantic) Brokenism (Tablet)Futurist Predicts Humans Will Achieve Immortality By 2030 (IFLScience)How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence by Michael Pollan (Amazon) Check out our website for more brand strategy thinking, and come connect with us on Instagram and LinkedIn.

    36 min
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Unseen Unknown is a brand and business strategy podcast about the hidden threads that connect even the most distant of cultural concepts. We look at the emerging trends and behaviors that may be pointing to a deeper truth and ask the bigger question, “Why is society moving in this direction, and how can we apply it to business?” We believe if we can’t see it in our culture, then we can’t know it in the market. From retail and consumerism to politics, gender, identity and values, there are patterns everywhere that illuminate a path forward for brands. Your hosts, Jasmine Bina and Jean-Louis Rawlence, are brand strategists and futurists that explore these questions every day in their work for companies around the world. We’ll be interviewing thought leaders and domain experts both within brand strategy and outside of it. Expect to hear from people from all walks of life: artists, scientists, CEOs, journalists, professors, technologists and everyone in between. If you’re a founder, leader, storyteller or creator, this podcast will compel you to think at a macro level you haven’t considered before. We also write and publish videos on everything brand strategy. You can see all of that here: https://conceptbureau.substack.com/

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  • Creator
    Jasmine Bina, Jean-Louis Rawlence
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    30
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2019 Concept Bureau Inc.
  • Show Website
    Unseen Unknown

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