The Inner Game of Change

Ali Juma
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 Welcome to The Inner Game of Change podcast, where we dive deep into the complexities of managing organisational change. Tailored for leaders, change practitioners, and anyone driving transformation, our episodes explore key topics like leadership, communication, change capability, and process design. Expert guests share practical strategies and insights to help you navigate and lead successful change initiatives. Listen in to learn fresh ideas and perspectives from a variety of industries, and gain the tools and knowledge you need to lead transformation with confidence. Explore our episodes at www.theinnergameofchange.com.au, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Youtube or anywhere you listen to your podcasts. 

  1. 1d ago

    E111 - The Relationships That Carry Change - Podcast With Sarah Glenister

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens.  In this warm and deeply human conversation, I speak with change practitioner and Australian Change Days convenor Sarah Glenister about the relationships that quietly shape how change is experienced. We explore trust, uncertainty, informal influence, the limits of plans and timelines, and why the real work of change often happens through conversations that cannot be easily measured. We also consider whether strong relationships can turn uncertainty from anxiety into curiosity, and what human connection may mean as artificial intelligence becomes more embedded in our working lives. I am grateful that Sarah is chatting with me today.  About Sarah 🔔 Over 15 years in senior roles - Director of Change Management, Director of Workforce, Director Corporate Services, Area Director Mental Health Services, Director of Financial Transition. Now working as an independent consultant, Founder and Director Change that matters  changethatmatters.com.au 🔔 Trained as an Organisational Psychologist, I bring those Behavioural Science skills to address the most complex of situations (and the simple ones), find out more at sarahglenister.com 🔔 Community builder - Convenor and Founder of Australasian Change Days, annual event for people wanting to Change the World! australasianchangedays.com 🔔 Genealogy and DNA geek, offering assistance in interpreting your results and researching your family tree, DM me here. Expertise and knowledge: 💡 Project management and change management of large complex projects 💡 Workforce and HR strategy and organisational development  💡 Team building and communication  💡 Training in Change Management for executive and managers. 💡 Data analysis and interpretation 💡 Facilitation of off-site or on-site strategy days  💡 Building online communities Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E111 - The Relationships That Carry Change - Podcast With Sarah Glenister

  2. Jul 8

    Stories Of Change - The Box That Changed The World

    What if one of the most important inventions of the last hundred years was a steel box? Not the internet. Not the smartphone. A box. In this episode of Stories of Change, Ali explores how a small experiment in 1956 transformed global trade and what it can teach us about AI, innovation and the hidden side of change. Because sometimes the biggest changes do not arrive looking like revolutions. Sometimes they arrive looking ordinary. And we only understand their significance years later. Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    Stories Of Change - The Box That Changed The World

  3. Jul 4

    E110 - When AI Enters The Systems Room - Podcast with Joan Lurie

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens.  Four years ago, Joan Lurie joined me on this podcast to explore systems, roles, mental maps and how organisations adapt in times of uncertainty. Today, we return to that conversation through a different lens: artificial intelligence. But this is not a conversation about tools, prompts or technology. It is a conversation about what AI is revealing. The assumptions it is challenging. The roles it is reshaping. And what happens when AI enters the systems room. Joan is the founder of Orgonomics and one of Australia's leading systems thinkers. She has a unique way of helping leaders see organisations not simply as structures or collections of people, but as living systems of relationships, roles and patterns. I have learned a great deal from Joan's work over the years, and every conversation with her challenges me to see organisations differently. Together we explore leadership, adaptation, complexity and what organisations may need to rethink as AI becomes part of the fabric of work. I hope you enjoy this thoughtful and timely conversation with Joan Lurie. About I am the CEO of Orgonomics, a company I founded in 2008 to assist leaders and organisations to adapt, thrive and function at their growing edge. My work integrates strategy, systems thinking, complexity, narrative, ecology and developmental theory.    Over 30 years I’ve worked with boards, executives and leadership teams as a coach and consultant helping them achieve turnaround results - together emerging new cultures, operating models and different organisational systems, whilst simultaneously building their adaptive capacity.  Through this practice and experimentation, I have developed Orgonomics™ - a proprietary methodology which provides a ‘map’ for leaders to go beyond reductionism to navigate the complexity we are in.  Referred to as ground-breaking, Orgonomics enables leaders to fundamentally shift their ways of seeing and knowing to be more systemic; reframe their assumptions and mental maps and repattern their organisational systems for new ways of relating and operating, to achieve higher order functioning and performance. As a developmental psychologist and systemic change consultant my core purpose is to ensure that leaders and organisations are able to continuously develop, learn and grow to be fit for and thrive in our complex world. Developing a systems lens, relational intelligence and comfort with not ‘knowing’ used to be a ‘nice to have', but it has now become our individual and organisational imperative; we have to accelerate it for the good of our whole ecology. Contact Joan’s profile linkedin.com/in/joan-lurie-73bb0215 Website orgonomics.com (Company) Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E110 - When AI Enters The Systems Room - Podcast with Joan Lurie

  4. Jun 24

    Stories Of Change - Why Lecturers Did Not Disappear

    Why didn't lecturers disappear? For more than 700 years, the role of the lecturer has survived books, the printing press, libraries, the internet, and now artificial intelligence. In this episode of Stories of Change, we explore a fascinating question. How did one of the world's oldest professions keep evolving while the technologies around it kept changing? The story is not really about lecturers. It is about what happens when the thing that once made us valuable becomes easy to access. Perhaps the question is not whether AI will replace us. Perhaps the better question is: what becomes valuable next?  Grab a coffee and join me for this 10 minute story.  Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    Stories Of Change - Why Lecturers Did Not Disappear

  5. Jun 19

    E109 - Co-Creation and The Ownership Effect - Podcast With Terri Block & Susan Bartlett

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens.  Why is it that people can sit in a room, agree with a strategy, support a transformation and nod enthusiastically at a presentation, only to struggle when the change finally arrives? Today's guests suggest the answer may lie in a concept called psychological distance. Terri Block and Susan Bartlett from Workomics spend their days helping organisations bring customers, stakeholders and teams together to solve complex problems through co creation. In this conversation we explore Construal Level Theory, why humans think differently about things that feel distant versus things that feel immediate, and why co creation may be one of the most powerful ways of helping people move from abstract ideas to tangible action. Along the way we discuss ownership, expertise, accountability, skin in the game, whether facilitators can ever truly be neutral, and even whether artificial intelligence can become a co creator. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and I think you will too. I am grateful to have Susan and Terri chatting with me today.  About The Guests Susan Bartlett I am a principal at Workomics, where we help biotechs bring life-changing therapies to patients. I contribute to projects from the perspectives of go-to-market strategy, operational effectiveness, human-centred design, and strategic communications. I treasure my colleagues and my clients, and feel fortunate to be able to work with them every day.  I write a monthly Substack newsletter (please subscribe!). Through the newsletter, I explore how we make work and workplaces better for people — customer-centric, inclusive and equitable, focused on employee well-being, meaningfully integrated with emerging technology.  In the past, I have been a Rhodes Scholar, a CEO, and a licensed propane dispenser, only one of which involved an objective assessment of my abilities. I love to solve specific, pragmatic problems by drawing on a variety of disciplines and traditions — my university degrees span English literature, software design, philosophy, politics, and economics, and computer science. At various points in my career, I have devoted myself to:  — Communicating complex medical concepts to patients.  — Architecting the data, software, technology, and IT governance structures of large enterprises.  — Embedding human-centred design capabilities to enable customer experience.  — Applying machine learning techniques to natural language problems. Terri Block I co-lead Workomics where we help biotechs and pharma bring life-changing medications to patients who need it. We focus on patient experience including go-to-market strategies and campaigns, creating impactful educational experiences for patients and their care teams, and empowering internal teams to champion patient-centricity across their organization.  My career in human-centered design in the life sciences industry spans 10 years and is underpinned by a whole other career in theatre and teaching. The red thread is bringing the best out in people and imagining better possibilities for our work-at-hand.  I am a creative at heart and author of Words of Wonder www.wordsofwonderbook.com. Contact workomics.com Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E109 - Co-Creation and The Ownership Effect - Podcast With Terri Block & Susan Bartlett

  6. Jun 11

    Stories Of Change - Why Elevators Needed Humans First

    Stories of Change is a special series from The Inner Game of Change. In this series, I explore stories from history, business, science, education, and sometimes from unexpected places. Some stories are famous. Many are not. Together, we will uncover the lessons hidden inside them and what they can teach us about change, leadership, human behaviour, innovation, trust, learning, and adaptation.  In this first episode of Stories of Change, we explore what elevators, trust, adoption, and artificial intelligence might have in common, and why every generation has its own version of the rope.  Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    Stories Of Change - Why Elevators Needed Humans First

  7. May 18

    Inside The Messy Middle - The Gravity of the Old Way

    Inside the Messy Middle is a special series from The Inner Game of Change This fortnightly short series is for people who carry responsibility inside complexity.  Between strategy and delivery. Between intent and impact. Between what was imagined and what must now be made real. In this episode of Inside the Messy Middle, I explore a salient idea: What if organisations are not resisting change… but being pulled back by the gravity of the current way of working? As AI enters workplaces, many organisations are introducing new capabilities while still operating inside environments designed for older workflows, behaviours, incentives, and assumptions. Through stories from business and history, including the arrival of electricity in factories and the persistence of the QWERTY keyboard, Ali explores why transformation often stalls even when people are willing to move. This episode is about: • behavioural gravity • environmental design • AI adoption versus workflow redesign • why old systems keep pulling people back • and the hidden tension between movement and stability inside organisations Because sometimes the challenge is not the future itself. It is the environment still rewarding the past. Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    Inside The Messy Middle - The Gravity of the Old Way

  8. May 16

    E108 - Good Change in a Tired System - Podcast With Gilbert Kruidenier

    Welcome to The Inner Game of Change.  where we explore the thinking that shapes how change really happens.  Today’s conversation is less about technology and more about people. Four years after our first discussion around bad change, I reconnect with Gilbert Kruidenier to explore the current state of change in a world shaped by AI, overload, constant adaptation, and growing pressure on organisations and people alike. We discuss learning, leadership, redesign, burnout, human capacity, and why the real challenge may no longer be technology adoption, but how humans absorb continuous change. I am grateful to have Gilbert chatting with me today.  About Gilbert With 20 years of experience in change, communication, and project management, I know exactly how to help organisations navigate complex and transformative change with purpose, clarity, and empathy. I combine the best of change, communication, and project management practices to support large and medium sized change programs, design and deliver workshops and training, and advise boards on strategic topics. I am also an author, independent business owner, a visiting lecturer at Deakin University and even tried my hand at being a cabinet making apprentice, pursuing my diverse interests and skills in consulting, education, and creating beautiful things with my hands. I have a master's degree in culture and change management, multiple certifications in ADKAR, Digital Transformation, Lean Six Sigma and PRINCE2, and a strong background in public and private sector change and (digital) transformation. My core competencies include change analysis, process improvement, coaching and mentoring, and problem solving. My life goal is to make a positive difference in the lives of others, especially the most disadvantaged in society. Contact info Gilbert’s LinknedIn profile linkedin.com/in/kruidenierconsulting Email gilbert@kruidenierconsulting.com.au Send us Fan Mail Support the show Ali Juma  @The Inner Game of Change podcast Follow me on LinkedIn

    E108 - Good Change in a Tired System - Podcast With Gilbert Kruidenier
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About

 Welcome to The Inner Game of Change podcast, where we dive deep into the complexities of managing organisational change. Tailored for leaders, change practitioners, and anyone driving transformation, our episodes explore key topics like leadership, communication, change capability, and process design. Expert guests share practical strategies and insights to help you navigate and lead successful change initiatives. Listen in to learn fresh ideas and perspectives from a variety of industries, and gain the tools and knowledge you need to lead transformation with confidence. Explore our episodes at www.theinnergameofchange.com.au, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Youtube or anywhere you listen to your podcasts. 

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  • Creator
    Ali Juma
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    148
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 The Inner Game of Change
  • Show Website
    The Inner Game of Change

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