Mandolin Secrets Podcast

Magnus Zetterlund & Hayes Griffin

This podcast is for every mandolin and guitar player who wants an inspiration boost. Hosts Magnus Zetterlund and Hayes Griffin share professional tips, experiences, and stories that will support every music maker on their journey.

  1. 4d ago

    #52 Mando Mike on Teaching, Technique & the Broken Hand

    Join Magnus Zetterlund with UK-based mandolin teacher Mike Giverin (Mando Mike) to explore why learning an instrument transforms lives. Mike shares his journey from seeing Nickel Creek at 14 to building his YouTube channel with 170+ free lessons. Discover his two teaching philosophies—nurturing absolute beginners and fixing technique for musicians switching instruments. Hear the story behind his book "How to Practice the Mandolin with a Broken Hand," dive into right-hand escape motions, and explore why chords are philosophically fascinating. Plus, insights on his band the Jaywalkers and why practice truly makes perfect. Here are the weblinks mentioned in the show. Visit our website for more episodes: https://mandolinsecrets.com/podcast Visit Mike Giverins' website: https://www.mandomike.com Topics Covered: Mike's Origin Story First encounter: Nickel Creek concert at age 14Started mandolin at a bluegrass session in Northwest UKEarly teacher also ran weekly bluegrass jam sessions24 years of mandolin playing since that first lessonChris Thile as primary inspirationMusical Background & Training Brass band experience (age 8-13) in the UK traditionLearned to read music formally; classical musician approachThree distinct musical styles shaped his playing: bluegrass, folk, and Irish4Square The Jaywalkers BandMando Mike YouTube Channel Started May 2018 with 3 videos per month (released simultaneously)Shifted to 2 videos per month after 2 yearsTotal: 170-200 free lessons (no monetization)Philosophy: "Shop front" for teaching style, not about views or subscriptionsAlways provides tab and music notation with videosPandemic-driven transition to online lessons filled his teaching schedulePairing with weekend gigging with Jaywalkers—exactly what he wantedTeaching Philosophy & Student Categories Category 1: Absolute Beginners Often retired people who've always wanted to learnJoy of opening up "a secret world" to new musiciansEmphasis on correct technique from day oneRecent student: Grateful Dead fan using lyric sheets instead of chord chartsCategory 2: Experienced Musicians (Guitar, Ukulele, Violin) Wrong pick directions and habits from other instrumentsHigh success rate after fixing pick strokes (2-3 tunes usually fixes the issue)Violinists: Good melody understanding, excellent reading, but need chord playing introductionGuitarists: Natural chord understanding but struggle with mandolin-specific pickingThe Bill Cheatham Solo Collaboration David Benedict's group video project featuring different playersMike's contribution: bluegrass-influenced soloChallenge: balancing complexity—not too fancy, but distinctly "you"Hundreds of takes wrestling with note selectionThe Broken Hand Story: "How to Practice the Mandolin with a Broken Hand" Christmas 2016: Family game of picking up a shrinking cereal box with teeth while leaning overMike fell and broke his left-hand middle finger (the bone you break when punching)Four weeks without fretting handSolution: intense right-hand workContent: right-hand patterns, cross-picking exercises, alternate picking progressionsDesperation breakthrough: playing fiddle tunes on open strings onlyResult: A book of pure right-hand techniques (tongue-in-cheek title, serious content)Exercise value: Playing melodies without fretting hand forces picking hand awarenessWhy Everyone Should Learn an Instrument Travis Kelsey (Taylor Swift's fiancé, NFL player) podcast insight: proves practice makes you betterPhysical, mental, and subconscious benefitsBrain activation: learning instruments activates more areas than almost anything elseHumility and connection: requires approaching others with humility"Music for Life" teaching philosophy: enjoy the journey, growth is a bonusNot about becoming professional; about lifelong benefitsThe Philosophy of Chords What are chords, really? Existential music questionRole of chords: accompanying a melody, creating harmonyChord rhythm variations: 2 per bar, 4 per bar, flexible depending on songTeaching challenge: explaining why G is G when you can't see the guitar fretboardSolution: Play-along tracks essential for understanding chords in contextStudents often overthink chords; they're simply what the song needsMandolin Rhythm vs. Bluegrass Rhythm Mandolin rhythm sounds different than guitar rhythm in rhythm sectionsBluegrass context: very specific percussive approach (chop chord)Mike's perspective: gets bored of chop chords quicklyAlternative rhythm approaches in folk/Irish settingsFiddle chopping (learned from Casey Dreason at Sore Fingers) opens new possibilitiesRich world of mandolin rhythm beyond bluegrass choppingReading Music & Tablature Not critical, but opens up learning possibilitiesMike's approach: teach full spectrum (by ear, tab, music notation)Benefits: when you find a song online, you can learn it without a teacher converting to mandolin tabRetired/beginner students often come from classical piano backgrounds and need score readingUK Bluegrass Scene 6-7 festivals every summer across the countryMajor hubs: London, Chester (Northwest)Sore Fingers: Legendary Easter bluegrass camp at a private schoolWeek-long camp with American tutors covering mandolin, fiddle, banjo, old-time instrumentsPast instructors: Mike Marshall, Tim O'Brien, John Moore (Chris Thile's first teacher), Jacob JollifeFoursquare and Crossover: major UK bluegrass festivalsOnline Teaching Challenges Lack of simultaneous playing togetherImportance of play-along tracks to make chords sensibleTechnical exercise delivery vs. real-time guidanceTiming adjustments happen subconsciously in person; online requires explicit communicationResponsibility shifts to student for practice accountabilityPost-Pandemic Teaching Observations Fewer students motivated by session playingMore people learning "just because they've always fancied it"Value of community: small online lesson communities fulfill musical needsBalance: encouraging progress often requires playing with others, but not everyone's goalFeatured Collaboration: Bill Cheatham solo (David Benedict video project)Mike's Websites & Contact: Mandomike.com (all mandolin content, free YouTube lessons)Jwalkers.co.uk (Jaywalkers band information)Teaching Resources: Book: "How to Practice the Mandolin with a Broken Hand" (right-hand techniques)YouTube: 170+ free lessons with tab and notationOnline lessons available through websitePlay-along tracks for all lessons (emphasized importance)Mentioned Events & Organizations: Sore Fingers (UK bluegrass camp, Easter)Foursquare (UK folk festivals)Crossover (UK bluegrass festival)Cardiff Bay Festival (Wales, where Magnus performed)Music for Life (UK school music teaching company)Chester location (Northwest UK, between Manchester and Liverpool)Key Philosophical Insights: "Learning an instrument is the best way of proving that practice makes you better"Chords are existential—they're what the song needs, not an overcomplicationTeaching reveals music through fresh eyes of non-musiciansPlaying together (sessions, bands) accelerates musicianship more than solo studyBrain development from instruments unmatched by other activitiesKey Techniques Discussed: Pick escape motionsCross-picking (not Jesse McReynolds style, just alternating)Grace notes/picked ornamentsRight-hand patterns without fretting handFiddle chopping on mandolinChord rhythm variationsOpen string exercises (removing fretting hand to fix picking)Rest str

  2. Jun 23

    #51 Does Your Pickguard Kill Your Tone? Hayes Griffin Weighs In

    Join Magnus Zetterlund and Hayes Griffin as they discuss gear essentials, touring adventures, and what happens when you remove a pickguard from your mandolin. Hayes shares his inspiring experience at Blue Ridge Guitar Camp with flat-picking heroes and his recent European tour backing Beppe Gambetta in Italy.  Discover the community's favorite cleaning products—including the legendary Fast Fret string cleaner—and debate the pickguard question: does it really affect your tone?  Plus, hear about Southern Flavor, New Camptown Races, and why the Punch Brothers' latest release is absolutely worth your attention. Visit our website for more episodes: https://mandolinsecrets.com/podcast Show Notes Topics Covered: Blue Ridge Guitar Camp Hayes' experience at the prestigious North Carolina guitar campMeeting and studying with Cody Kilby (six hours of instruction)Playing alongside bluegrass legends and instructorsLeading jam sessions at the campCollings Guitars video collaboration with Cody KilbySouthern Flavor (Fiddle Tune Adaptation) A "deep cut" in bluegrass—rarely called at jam sessionsHayes teaching this tune to Magnus years agoThe power of shared musical language and common repertoireUpcoming guitar and contest arrangement lessons from HayesNew Camptown Races Project Magnus's detailed transcription and tutorial workMultiple versions and variations of the tuneJesse Brooks as an inspiration for "hero licks"Building resources for students: basic version + performance arrangement + hero licks seriesHayes' European Adventure: Italy with Beppe Gambetta Week-long visit to Genova, Italy with wife QuinnThree nights of concerts at the National Theater in GenovaCollaborators: Trey Hensley and Maddie Denton (East Nash Grass)Theme: Jam band music focused on improvisationHayes proposed to Quinn in Liguria, Italy (the region where Genova is located)Community Music Choice: If You Could Only Listen to One Musician Chris: Steven Stills (solo), Fleetwood Mac (band)Jane: Cecilia Bartoli (Italian mezzo-soprano)Steve: Johann Sebastian Bach (composer/repertoire)Hayes: Jethro Burns (bridges country, fiddle, swing, and jazz)Magnus: Julian Lage or Chris Thile (contemporary, making new music) Recent discovery: Punch Brothers' new single "Song of the Water Kelpie" from their latest releaseRecommendation: Listen to audio first, then watch the music video to see how they layer instrumentsThe Pickguard Debate: Does It Affect Sound? Magnus's experimental video comparing mandolin sound with and without pickguardFindings: Subtle difference in high-end frequencies and pick noiseHayes' take: More treble and pick-string contact without the guardPickguard blocks part of the F-hole, affecting airflowMagnus removed pickguard from his recording setup to eliminate pick-strike noiseDifferent instruments respond differently to pickguard removalCommunity Pickguard Opinions: Bob: Removed pickguard immediately; lighter touch means no protection neededKit: Pickguard fell off mid-gig; got scratches on varnish—pickguard necessaryTim: Questions impact of pickguard blocking F-holeHayes: Keeps pickguard on Red Diamond (likes the look, minimal tone difference)Buas mandolins: Standard without pickguards (no protection needed with proper technique)Northfield: Uses thin, close-to-strings pickguardsCleaning & Maintenance Products Magnus's Essential: GHS Fast Fret - String cleaner and lubricantDaily use for non-coated stringsExtends string life significantlyRemoves hand oils and residueLasts about 1-2 years before needing replacementCommunity Recommendations: Martin Guitar Polish (lemony scent, popular for wiping down instruments)Music Nomad Fretboard F1 Oil (fretboard maintenance)Elderly Instruments Microfiber Cloths (high-quality polishing cloths)D'Addario Fretboard Lemon Oil (string change maintenance)Jim Dunlop Cleaning Sprays and Fretboard OilsHayes' Approach: Uses coated strings most of the time nowAppreciates Fast Fret for extending uncoded string lifeHas oily hands; strings would go dead after one gig without maintenanceFeatured Music: Punch Brothers - "Song of the Water Kelpie" (from latest album)People Mentioned: Brian Sutton (Blue Ridge Guitar Camp instructor)Cody Kilby (guitarist, Blue Ridge Guitar Camp instructor)Beppe Gambetta (Italian bluegrass/traditional musician)Trey Hensley (guitarist)Maddie Denton (fiddler, East Nash Grass)Jethro Burns (mandolinist, Hayes' choice for lifetime listening)Julian Lage (contemporary guitarist/composer)Chris Thile (mandolinist/Punch Brothers frontman)Jesse Brooks (mandolinist)Resources: Blue Ridge Guitar CampChapman's Acoustic Shop (Buas dealer in US)GHS Fast Fret productElderly Instruments (quality cloths and maintenance supplies)Mandolin Secrets Academy (video version of this episode)Guitar Club (Hayes' online courses)

  3. May 19

    #50 Four Chords to Solo Concerts: Malin Foxdal's Octave Mandolin Journey

    Join Magnus Zetterlund as he welcomes Swedish artist Malin Foxdal to discuss her journey with the octave mandolin, from knowing just four chords to performing solo concerts. Malin shares insights on her two new ensembles—one rooted in Swedish and Celtic folk, another exploring improvised poetry and jazz. Discover her philosophy of learning through doing, the liberating power of stage improvisation, and how the octave mandolin became her creative voice. Plus, hear live performances of "Ingens Lilla Flicka" and "I Sing" from her acclaimed music theater work about Swedish immigration, and learn Magnus's secret trait: unstoppable grit. Visit our website for more episodes: https://mandolinsecrets.com/podcast Malin Foxdal's website: https://www.malinfoxdal.com/ Show Notes Topics Covered: Discovering the Octave Mandolin First encounter with Esbjörn Hazelius's instrument in 2009Buying an octave mandolin knowing only four chords—and never regretting itWhy the octave mandolin creates a perfect "third voice" for singer-songwritersHow it blends beautifully with violin, guitar, and other string instrumentsLearning Philosophy: Be Brave & Curious Teaching yourself through performance rather than waiting to be "ready"The importance of getting on stage with whatever you knowAdding songs one by one to build your repertoireLearning to fail forward and staying curious to avoid boredomNew Musical Projects Trio with Emma Reid (violin) and Dan Knagg (multi-instrumentalist): Swedish and Celtic folk with newly composed music rooted in traditionExperimental trio with Anders Hagberg (flute/sax) and Rickard Åström (piano): Improvising poetry live on stage, including audience-contributed wordsThe art of trust, presence, and listening in live improvisation20 Years as an Artist Celebrating two decades of building experience and toolsRecent album receiving fantastic reviews and cultural awardsThe journey from experimental beginnings to confident improvisationMusic Theater & Social Commentary "På andra sidan Swede Hollow" (On the Other Side of Swede Hollow): A play about Swedish immigration to AmericaDrawing parallels between historical Swedish emigrants and modern immigrants to SwedenUsing music theater to cultivate sympathy and perspectiveInstrument Spotlight: Weber Bridger A Custom-made octave mandolin from Weber factory (2009/2010)Tuned G-D-A-E with flatwound strings for a mellow toneComparing sounds with Magnus's similar modelOne of only two octave mandolins in their household!Current Practice Focus Developing more rhythmical playing patternsExperimenting with picking hand techniquePlaying the same songs with fresh presence each timeFeatured Music (Live Performances): "Ingens Lilla Flicka Längre" (No One's Little Girl Anymore) - Original composition with lyrics by poet Kristina Lugn"I Sing" - From the music theater "På andra sidan Swede Hollow" about Swedish immigrationMagnus's Secret Revealed: Malin shares that Magnus's defining trait is his unstoppable persistence—once he decides to do something, he never gives up. Pure grit! Connect with Malin Foxdal: Website: malinfoxdal.com Available on Spotify, Apple Music, and all streaming platforms Recommended Albums: Latest album celebrating 20 years as an artist"Natt Fjäril" (2010) - Gillian Welch songs interpreted in Swedish with an Americana vibe"Jag längtade" - Traditional Swedish folk songs with blues/Americana touchMentioned in This Episode: Esbjörn Hazelius (Swedish musician)Emma Reid (violinist from Newcastle, England)Dan Knagg (multi-instrumentalist)Anders Hagberg (flutist/soprano saxophonist)Rickard Åström (pianist)Gillian Welch (American songwriter)Kristina Lugn (Swedish poet)Resources: Full video performances available exclusively in Mandolin Secrets AcademyPrevious podcast episodes at mandolinsecrets.com/podcast

  4. Apr 21

    # 49 Karl Tirén: Composing, Band Leadership & Overcoming Injury

    Join Magnus Zetterlund as he sits down with Swedish mandolin player, bandleader, and composer Karl Tirén to discuss his innovative Atlas project—a unique trio featuring mandolin, trombone, and double bass. Karl shares his compositional process, the journey from injury to inspiration with the tune "At Last," and how he practices through playing rather than drilling scales. Links: Visit our website for more episodes: https://mandolinsecrets.com/podcast Connect with Karl Tirén: Instagram: @karltiren.music  https://www.instagram.com/karltiren.music Bandcamp - Karl Tiren https://karltiren.bandcamp.com/album/atlas Music available on Spotify, Apple Music, and all streaming platforms Physical CDs available by contacting Karl directly Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1rlnxnGG3xgGMG16lRIh7D?si=VxT_r2iJRQ-OoaEf0x8Ybg Mandolin Secrets Academy https://www.mandolinsecrets.com/academy Topics Covered: The Atlas Project Unique instrumentation: mandolin, trombone (Magnus Grumer), and double bass (Johan Lindblom)Released as three EPs, now available as a complete albumBlending American mandolin traditions with Scandinavian sensibilitiesModern approach to releasing music in the streaming era Composition & Creative Process Karl's workflow: starting with instrumental phrases that "stick"Voice memos and long-form development (some tunes take years)Writing specifically for ensemble voices (like "Tromb" for trombone)Balancing melody and rhythm on the mandolin Practice Philosophy "Practice listening" as the foundationDesire-driven rather than strictly disciplined approachLearning through playing tunes instead of isolated exercisesInfluences from David Grisman, Chris Thile, and Brazilian mandolinist Hamilton de Holanda Overcoming Injury Karl's tendonitis story and years away from playingHow Atlas bandmates share a history of performance injuriesThe importance of listening to your body"At Last" as a turning point in regaining inspirationBand Leadership Self-releasing music without a record labelBuilding a touring quartet (adding trumpet player Karl Valmyr)Balancing music with day jobsPlanning and sustaining a long-term projectInstruments Karl's Bouvier F-style mandolin (refinished from purple!)Also plays a Nordic flat-top mandola by Mats NordvallDiscussion of American vs. Nordic mandolin traditions Featured Music: Åre Polskan (Swedish traditional, mandolin duo with Magnus)"At Last" (original composition that launched the Atlas project)"Tromb" (written specifically for trombone)Bridal march (Scandinavian-influenced original)Bach Menuet in G Major (duo arrangement) Mentioned in This Episode: Johan Lindblom (double bass)Magnus Grumer (trombone)Karl Valmyr (trumpet)Former band: Primus MotorHamilton de Holanda (Brazilian mandolinist)Mats Nordvall (Nordic mandolin builder) Resources: Full video version available in Mandolin Secrets AcademyBach Menuet and Åre Polskan arrangements available in the Academy

  5. Jan 13

    #46 Pick Slanting Breakthroughs & Practice Priorities for 2026

    Join Magnus Zetterlund and Hayes Griffin as they wrap up 2025 and dive into the real work happening in practice rooms across the mandolin community. In this candid conversation, Magnus and Hayes get technical about pick slanting and escape motions—the breakthrough technique that's transforming their playing after decades of double-escaping. They also tackle practical questions from the community about practice routines, gear choices, and how to stay motivated on your musical journey. Whether you're a beginner finding your way or an experienced player refining your technique, this episode offers honest insights into the practice process and what it takes to keep growing as a musician. Topics Covered: Pick Slanting & Single Escape Technique Magnus shares his breakthrough moment with pick slanting after 30 years of playingUnderstanding supination vs. pronation and rest strokes vs. escape strokesWhy this isn't just about speed—it's about efficient, powerful single-note pickingPractical demonstrations of two-note and four-note per string patternsHow to build vocabulary from mechanical exercisesPractice Priorities Hayes on the importance of tracking your practice (and his 20-month tracking gap)Magnus's focus on right-hand technique and melodic adjustmentsCommunity members share their goals: learning scales, memorizing the fretboard, and diving into Nordic folk tunesGear Talk: Cases & Gig Bags Finding the right fit for different instruments and situationsHard cases vs. soft cases: when to use eachMagnus's search for the perfect electric octave mandolin case (spoiler: Strandberg guitar bags might be the answer)Community recommendations including Colorado Case Company, Blue Heron, TKL, and Northfield casesLooking Ahead to 2026 Magnus's new Octave Mandolin Course now availablePlans for a Nordic Folk Guitar course coming in spring 2026Hayes's upcoming European tour in May (details TBA)New Guitar Club content and guided courses on the horizonCommunity Insights How joining Mandolin Secrets Academy increases practice frequency and commitmentThe power of putting "skin in the game" for your musical developmentMentioned in This Episode: Mandolin Secrets Academy (mandolinsecrets.com)Previous podcast episodes at mandolinsecrets.com/podcastHayes's tour with Beppe GambettaMagnus's collaboration with Johan Eriksson Rapp Connect With Us: Watch the video version of this episode exclusively inside Mandolin Secrets Academy, or find all previous episodes at mandolinsecrets.com/podcast Here are the weblinks mentioned in the show. Visit our website for more episodes: https://mandolinsecrets.com/podcast Beppe Gambetta website: https://beppegambetta.com/

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This podcast is for every mandolin and guitar player who wants an inspiration boost. Hosts Magnus Zetterlund and Hayes Griffin share professional tips, experiences, and stories that will support every music maker on their journey.

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