You can listen wherever you get your podcasts or check out the fully edited transcript of our interview at the bottom of this post. In this episode of The Peaceful Parenting Podcast, Corey and I talk about modeling the person you want your child to be—instead of trying to force them into having good character or good values. We discussed the difference between being a gardener or a carpenter parent, raising kind and helpful children, and how to trust the modeling process. We give lots of examples of what this has looked like for parents in our community as well as in our own homes. **If you’d like an ad-free version of the podcast, consider becoming a supporter on Substack! > > If you already ARE a supporter, the ad-free version is waiting for you in the Substack app or you can enter the private feed URL in the podcast player of your choice. Know someone who might appreciate this episode? Share it with them! We talk about: * 00:00 — Intro + main idea: be the person you want your child to be * 00:02 — How kids naturally model what we do (funny real-life stories) * 00:04 — When modeling goes wrong (rabbit poop + shovel story) * 00:06 — Not everything kids do is learned from us (fight/flight/freeze) * 00:08 — Gardener vs. carpenter parenting metaphor * 00:10 — Why “don’t do anything for your child” is flawed advice * 00:12 — Helping builds independence (adult example + kids stepping up) * 00:17 — Hunt, Gather, Parent: let kids help when they’re little * 00:19 — How to encourage helping without power struggles * 00:23 — Family team vs. rigid chores * 00:26 — Trust, faith, and “I’m sure you’ll do it next time” * 00:29 — Respecting kids like people (adultism) * 00:31 — Living values without preaching * 00:36 — It’s the small moments that shape kids * 00:38 — Don’t be a martyr: let some things go * 00:40 — When this works (and when it doesn’t) * 00:42 — Closing reflections on trust and nurturing Resources mentioned in this episode: * Yoto Screen Free Audio Book Player * The Peaceful Parenting Membership * Hunt, Gather, Parent podcast episode * Evelyn & Bobbie bras Connect with Sarah Rosensweet:Instagram * Facebook Group * YouTube * Website * Join us on Substack * Newsletter * Book a short consult or coaching session call xx Sarah and Corey Your peaceful parenting team- click here for a free short consult or a coaching session Visit our website for free resources, podcast, coaching, membership and more! >> Please support us!!! 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Today we’re talking about modeling the person you want your child to be—being the person you want your child to be—instead of trying to force them into having good character or good values. Corey: This is one of my favorite topics because people don’t really think about it. There’s that phrase that’s so rampant: “Do as I say, not as I do.” And we’re actually saying: do the exact opposite of that. Sarah: Yeah. And I think if people did this, that phrase wouldn’t have to exist. Because if you’re being the person you want your child to be, then you really can just say, “Do as I do.” I guess that “Do what I say, not what I do” comes up when you’re not being the person you want your child to be. And it shows how powerful it is that kids naturally follow what we do, right? Corey: Yes. Sarah: Yeah. We both have some funny stories about this in action—times we didn’t necessarily think about it until we remembered or saw it reflected back. Do you want to share yours first? It’s so cute. Corey: Yeah. When I was a little girl, my favorite game to play was asking my mom if we could play “Mummy and her friend.” We did this all the time. My mom said she had to do it over and over and over with me. We’d both get a little coffee cup. I’d fill mine with water, and we’d pretend we were drinking tea or coffee. Then we would just sit and have a conversation—like I heard her having with her friend. And I’d always be like, “So, how are your kids?”—and ask the exact things I would hear my mom asking her friend. Sarah: That’s so cute. So you were pretending to be her? Corey: Yes. Sarah: That is so cute. I remember once when Lee was little—he was probably around three—he had a block, like a play block, a colored wooden block. And he had it pinched between his shoulder and his ear, and he was doing circles around the kitchen. I said, “What are you doing?” And he said, “I’m talking on the phone.” And I realized: oh my gosh. I walk around with the cordless phone pinched between my shoulder and my ear, and I walk around while I’m talking on the phone. So for him, that was like: this is how you talk on the phone. Corey: That’s such a funny reference, too. Now our kids would never—my kids would never do that, right? Sarah: No, because they never saw you with a phone like that. Corey: Right. Sarah: That is so funny. It’s definitely a dated reference. You also have a funny story, too, that’s sort of the opposite—less harmless things our kids copy us doing. Do you want to share your… I think it’s a rabbit poop story. Corey: It is. We’re just going to put it out there: it’s a rabbit poop story. This is how we accidentally model things we probably don’t want our kids doing. So, if you were listening this time last year, I got a new dog. She’s a lab, and her favorite thing is to eat everything—especially things she’s not supposed to eat, which I’m sure a lot of people can relate to. Our area is rampant with rabbits, so we have this problem with rabbit droppings. And my vet has informed me that despite the fact that dogs love it, you need to not let them eat it. So I’m always in the backyard—if you’re hearing this, it’s really silly—having to try and shovel these up so the dog’s not eating them. Listeners, we’re looking into a longer-term solution so rabbits aren’t getting into our backyard, but this is where we’re at right now. Whenever I noticed I’d be shoveling them up and I’d see her trying to eat something else I hadn’t shoveled yet, I’d say, “Leave it,” and then give her a treat to reward her. One day, my little guy—little C—who loves taking part in dog training and is so great with animals, he saw our dog eating something she shouldn’t. He ran and got his little sand shovel and went up to her holding it—kind of waving it at her—like, “Leave it.” And I was like, why are you shaking a shovel at the dog? Totally confused about what he was doing. And he’s like, “Well, this is how you do it, Mommy.” And I was like… oh. I shake a shovel at the dog. You just say, “Leave it,” and then you give her the treat—not the shovel. Not an hour later, I’m shoveling again, she’s trying to eat something she shouldn’t, and I’m like, “Leave it, leave it.” I look at my hand and I’m holding the shovel up while saying it to her. Sarah: Right? Corey: And I was like, “Oh, this is why he thinks that.” Because every time I’m saying this to her, I’m holding a shovel mid-scoop—trying to get on top of the problem. Sarah: That’s so funny. And when you told me that the first time, I got the impression you maybe weren’t being as gentle as you thought you were. Like you were frustrated with the dog, and little C was copying that. Corey: Yeah. Probably that too, right? Because it’s a frustrating problem. Anyone who’s tried to shovel rabbit droppings knows it’s an impossible, ridiculous task. So I definitely was a bit frustrated. He was picking up both on the frustration and on what I was physically doing. And I also think this is a good example to show parents: don’t beat yourself up. Sometimes we’re not even aware of the things we’re doing until we see it reflected back at us. Sarah: Totally. And now that you mentioned beating yourself up: I have a lot of parents I work with who will say, “I heard my kid yelling and shouting, and I know they pick that up from me—my bad habits of yelling and shouting.” I just want to say: there are some things kids do out of fight, flight, or freeze—like their nerv
