In this episode, Patrick and Jonah dive back into the question of the nature of divine presence in the world, and explore through various images the difference between creator and creation: regardless of our experience in beholding a Van Gogh painting, and however much we recognize his signature brushstroke and palette, we are not actually directly encountering the artist (though, as Patrick mentioned, "The encounter with the artist by walking into his artwork is a real thing"). Likewise, experiences in nature can awaken deep religiosity in us, and can be an indirect pathway to the divine, but shouldn’t be confused with a direct encounter with the Creator. What if we look inward? What if we just do our best to dissolve the extraneous stuff that clouds what we feel to be our divine self? There are so many paths available that call us to find unitive connection with the spirit in a way that can feel blissful and bring peace – temporarily— ...leading us to hope that repetition of that experience can eventually lead us to our destination. There is, however, a more direct way, which this movement for religious renewal offers us, and which is particularly apparent in the liturgy of this season that honors Archangel Michael. In the liturgical epistle, Michael turns our awareness to Christ’s sacrifice, the way he picked up the cross and gave himself over to the death experience that is our salvation. The direct route to an encounter with Christ is to follow this path, to pick up our own cross, whatever way that presents itself in our biography. Patrick and Jonah then describe their own moving encounters with Christ, which have always had the hallmark of a certainty down to their marrow that this is their higher, or future, self, and at the same time an overwhelming awe that He is an Other, a more exalted being, separate from themselves: this makes it a true, face-to-face encounter, rather than simply the feeling of union with oceanic feeling that often gets mistaken for an experience of God. Patrick and Jonah wrap up the conversation speaking of Christ’s profound humility and generosity, alluding to the Eucharist at the center of The Christian Community as an expression of His endless giving. There are many other gems, too, in this rich and moving episode. Blessings on your listening experience, dear listener—may you hear what you most need to hear at this moment. Mary GrahamReferences from the Episode John 8:12 — Quoted near the opening: “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” Genesis — Mentioned in connection with humanity’s ancient experience of nature and divine presence. No chapter or verse is specified. Revelation — The book is mentioned, but no specific passage is identified. John 10:34 — Patrick paraphrases Jesus’ words, “You are gods,” and says they come from the Gospel of John. The wording is also found in Psalm 82:6, which Jesus quotes in John 10:34. Matthew 7:13–14 — Echoed in the contrast between the wide path that leads to destruction and the narrow path that
