Passle CMO Series Podcast

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The must-listen podcast for professional services marketers, featuring conversations with leading voices in business development and marketing across the sector. Each episode explores practical strategies for building authentic visibility, improving effectiveness, and unlocking new growth opportunities in a changing market. Produced by Passle, the platform behind the Thought Leadership Suite and CrossPitch AI, built to power thought leadership and cross-selling for the world’s leading professional services firms, including Ropes & Gray, Linklaters, Quinn Emanuel and many more. Find out more at passle.ai.

  1. 2d ago

    Episode 213 - Gillian Ward of Reed Smith on What a CMBDO Needs to Bring to the Role Today'

    Firms expect Marketing and BD to shape strategy at a high level, and they increasingly expect that strategic input to demonstrate clear revenue impact. In the latest CMO Series Podcast, James Barclay, our CEO, is joined by Gillian Ward, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Reed Smith. Gillian is one of legal marketing's most accomplished and experienced CMBDOs, and she joins us to talk about what Marketing and Business Development leaders must bring to the table right now. Gillian also shares her insights from conversations with partners about revenue generation and managing a global team   Gillian and James also jump into: What a CMBDO needs to bring to the role today. Her top three focus 18 months into the role, and what that means for her team’s delivery. How a Manager running a high-investment event should demonstrate impact and ROI for the firm. How Reed Smith's global footprint shapes what she expects from her team What she looks for from a regional senior BD manager leading a global sector like energy, and how that’s evolved. Her advice for senior marketing and BD professionals on what to focus on in their first 90 days at a new firm.

  2. Oct 20

    CMO Series Rainmakers EP 8: Fadwa Hammoud of Miller Johnson on Driving Growth With Intention.

    A good rainmaker does not just provide contacts for a firm; they connect them.  On today’s episode of the Rainmakers podcast, Alex Haidar sits down with Fadwa Hammoud, Managing Member of Miller Johnson’s Detroit office, for a conversation on how her distinguished career in public service has influenced her approach to business development, collaboration, and rainmaking in the private sector. Prior to joining the firm, Fadwa led a trailblazing career as both the youngest and first Arab-American and Muslim woman to serve as Michigan’s Solicitor General and to argue before the U.S. Supreme Court, following which, she served as Chief Deputy Attorney General in Michigan.  Fadwa is a modern rainmaker who drives growth with intention by deepening existing client relationships, building trust, and opening doors to opportunities across the business. Alex and Fadwa dive into: Fadwa’s public service experience, and how it has impacted her private-sector career. How she channels past relationships, reputation, and interpersonal skills into her work. Improved methods of communication and collaboration between partners. The crucial link between a client's success and the firm’s success. Being a selfless leader and its impact on the team as a whole.

  3. Oct 13

    Episode 212 - Drew Hawkins and Rachel Hutson of Womble Bond Dickinson on Building a Seamless Digital Platform for Marketing and BD

    Every firm’s marketing and business development are built on a foundation of digital infrastructure, but how does a modern, technologically aware firm organise their marketing and BD objectives effectively?  On today’s episode of the CMO series podcast, Avary Flynn sits down with Drew Hawkins, Senior Director of Marketing & Operations, and Rachel Hutson, Senior Manager of Digital Marketing, from Womble Bond Dickinson. Drew and Rachel explain how utilising new software systems can revolutionise productivity, efficiency and ease of use for a firm. With the help of Passle’s CrossPitch AI, the Womble Bond Dickinson team can develop through more seamless processes.  Avary, Rachel, and Drew dive into: How the Womble Bond Dickinson team managed content creation and distribution. How CrossPitch AI encourages networking and inter-firm collaboration. The link between improved communication and increasing referrals. Technology and AI’s impact on administrative effectiveness. Time-saving methods in busy, dynamic environments. Their key piece of advice for other marketers thinking about their infrastructure and platforms

  4. Oct 6

    Episode 211 - Melanie Hill of Chambers & Partners on How the Role of the Law Firm CMO Is Changing

    The law firm's CMO is now a strategic, board-aligned leader with clear responsibility for driving the bottom line. On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Sam Page is joined by Melanie Hill, CMO at Chambers and Partners, to explore new research into how the role of the law firm CMO is changing and where it's heading next. Melanie shares what the data revealed about how CMOs measure success, with 81% prioritising revenue growth and 69% focusing on client retention and cross-selling, ahead of new business acquisition. She also explains why brand has become a measurable business asset, why 46% of CMOs cite partner alignment as one of their biggest barriers to growth, and why the finding that only 10% see data and intelligence as core and essential points to a significant gap. Sam and Melanie dive into: What Chambers and Partners set out to learn about the law firm CMO through this research Why revenue growth, client retention and cross-selling now lead as measures of marketing success How the CMO has evolved into a strategic, board-level function driving real commercial value Why brand and reputation are now measurable business assets that shape client hiring decisions The challenge of partner alignment and buy-in, and how CMOs can become trusted partners to the firm Balancing short-term pipeline with long-term brand investment to protect future revenue Why data and intelligence should underpin every decision, and the gap the research uncovered

  5. Sep 29

    Episode 210 - Gaius Powell of Wilkin Chapman Rollits on Turning Pre‑merger Considerations into Post‑merger Value

    A merger doesn't end when the ink dries.  For Wilkin Chapman Rollits, the real work started afterwards with harmonising systems, bringing two firms together, and taking time to build new firm values that actually reflected the combined business. On this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke sits down with Gaius Powell, Director of Marketing and Business Development at Wilkin Chapman Rollits. Gaius talks through his career journey, the client‑driven thinking behind the merger, and why the firm chose to wait before relaunching its values. He also shares how they designed client feedback interviews around those values to understand how they show up in practice. Will and Gaius dive into: Gaius's career journey and what led him to Director of Marketing and BD at Wilkin Chapman Rollits How Rollits partners joining Wilkin Chapman ahead of the merger helped set the stage for what followed The main considerations behind the merger, and the thinking around building a strong presence across both regions What day-to-day life looked like post-merger, integrating laterals and building a shared culture Why the firm waited to relaunch its values, and what that process involved How updated interview-based client feedback shows the values showing up in real client relationships

  6. Sep 24

    Episode 209 - Eileen Kinney-Mallin on How to Drive Lawyer Adoption of Your CRM

    A CRM implementation can involve a huge investment of time, money and resources, but making sure lawyers actually use a new CRM is another challenge entirely.  On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Charles Cousins is joined by Eileen Kinney-Mallin, who has first-hand experience leading a global CRM implementation within a law firm. Eileen shares what it takes to drive genuine lawyer adoption, her own experience taking a CRM project from selection through to launch, and how building adoption into the process from day one made all the difference. She also highlights her career journey and how she came to realise the significance of implementing a CRM, and how involving lawyers and other stakeholders early on shaped both the technology and its eventual success. Charles and Eileen dive into:  Her career journey and how she came to realise the significance of implementing a CRM The distinction between implementing technology and driving real transformation Why adoption needs to start at the very beginning of a CRM project, not at launch How involving lawyers and other stakeholders early on shapes both the technology and its success Using tangible use cases, like relationship scoring, to show lawyers what's in it for them How firms should measure genuine adoption and success once a CRM is live

  7. Sep 16

    Episode 2 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad with Craig Budner from Budner Performance Group

    Last week you heard from Grasford Smith, a Litigation Partner and Co-Chair of the lateral integration programme at Akerman, to hear his insights on two good things that have worked for the programme and one thing that he and his Co-Chair would avoid doing again.  This week we’re bringing you another exciting episode of 2 Good 1 Bad. Connor Kinnear sits down with Craig Budner, CEO of Budner Performance Group and former Global Strategic Growth Partner at K&L Gates, who had a front‑row view of a major law firm merger, guiding Hughes and Luce through integration and seeing firsthand how firms grow through both merger and lateral expansion. With Craig’s 25+ years of experience, he shares the importance of connecting lateral integration with business development, holding laterals accountable through both leading and lagging indicators, and the costly lesson of skipping due diligence during a period of urgent hiring.

  8. Sep 10

    Episode 1 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad with Grasford Smith from Akerman

    Only last month we launched CMO Series: Laterals & Mergers, a podcast dedicated entirely to how law firm marketers and BD leaders navigate the complexities of lateral recruitment and firm mergers. This month we present to you the short form podcast of Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad. We bring on leaders from law and professional services firms to talk about the two good things they have done to drive successful lateral integration or merger, and one bad thing that they or the firm would not do again.  To kick us off, Connor Kinnear was joined by Grasford Smith, a Litigation Partner and Co-Chair of the lateral integration programme at Akerman, a role he's held for the past four years alongside a fellow partner in the firm's New York office. Grasford shares insights including welcome videos that go beyond the CV, a structured, stakeholder-mapped onboarding checklist, and the risk of assuming a good programme stays good.

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The must-listen podcast for professional services marketers, featuring conversations with leading voices in business development and marketing across the sector. Each episode explores practical strategies for building authentic visibility, improving effectiveness, and unlocking new growth opportunities in a changing market. Produced by Passle, the platform behind the Thought Leadership Suite and CrossPitch AI, built to power thought leadership and cross-selling for the world’s leading professional services firms, including Ropes & Gray, Linklaters, Quinn Emanuel and many more. Find out more at passle.ai.

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  • Creator
    Passle
  • Years Active
    2021 - 2026
  • Episodes
    100
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