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90 Miles from Needles: the Desert Protection Podcast

Chris Clarke
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Join Chris Clarke and a variety of guests as they explore the challenges and opportunities of the American Southwest's fragile ecosystems. Engaging interviews with experts, activists, and advocates on conservation, land management, and environmental justice. Science and sentiment, politics and philosophy, hiking and history, culture and creativity all go into defending the desert. Be forewarned: We are out to recruit you to the cause.

  1. S4E45: The Desertification Myth: Unpacking the Truth About Dry Lands

    DEC 20

    S4E45: The Desertification Myth: Unpacking the Truth About Dry Lands

    In this thought-provoking episode of "90 Miles from Needles, the Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke embarks on a journey to unpack the concept of desertification and its implications for environmental policy. Engaging listeners with tales of ecological history and colonial narratives, Chris explores the intersection of science, politics, and public perception in shaping how we view and treat deserts. Through an insightful discussion backed by the work of geographer Diana K. Davis, he urges a rethinking of what constitutes land degradation and calls for a more nuanced understanding that respects the intrinsic value of dry lands. Chris challenges the prevailing notion that desertification equates to ecological failure and provides a critical examination of how historical and colonial assumptions have influenced modern conservation efforts. He highlights the importance of recognizing deserts as dynamic ecosystems shaped by natural processes and human impact. This episode is an eye-opener for those interested in land use policy, environmental advocacy, and the intricate relationship between culture and ecology. Key Takeaways: Desertification Misconceptions: Reframing desertification as land degradation challenges the stereotype of deserts as barren wastelands. Historical Context: The colonial roots of desertification persist, influencing how we address ecological challenges today. Policy Implications: Misnaming ecological processes can lead to ineffective conservation measures and exacerbate environmental issues. Respect for Deserts: Deserts require a holistic approach that values their ecological role and indigenous knowledge. Call to Action: June 17 could be a day to reimagine our relationship with deserts, focusing on protection rather than remediation. Notable Quotes: "Deserts aren't mistakes. They're not broken landscapes. They're ancient living systems shaped by scarcity and timing and restraint." "When you misname the problem, you reach for the wrong tools. And sometimes... those tools make things worse." "Deserts need us to listen to people who've lived with aridity for generations." "The story matters because your choice of story determines the solutions that are available to you." "Land can be damaged in dry places, but deserts themselves are not damage." Resources: Diana K. Davis' Works: Heavily referenced throughout the episode, particularly her book "The Arid Lands." Book Recommendation: "All the Wild and Lonely Places" by Larry Hogue. Podcast Website: 90 Miles from Needles Donation Link: Donate to the Podcast   Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    28 min
  2. S4E44: Why the Desert's Sounds Matter More Than Ever

    DEC 12

    S4E44: Why the Desert's Sounds Matter More Than Ever

    Episode Summary: In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke takes a moment to reflect on the challenges the desert has faced throughout the year. As 2026 looms with potential political upheavals, industrial intrusions, and environmental crises, he underscores the fragility and beauty of the North American deserts. Chris discusses the concept of desert quiet, a theme reflecting not only the absence of noise but the presence of life, and how human impact slowly erodes this natural soundscape. The show examines the consequences of noise pollution, highlighting the invisible wounds inflicted on the desert soundscape by human activities. Chris emphasizes the critical importance of listening to and preserving the desert's unique quiet and sound ecology. He shines a light on efforts by various advocates to protect these ecosystems and urges for increased support for the podcast to continue this vital work. As external pressures mount, the episode appeals to listeners and potential donors to contribute to the ongoing fight to conserve the desert, focusing on actionable ways to make a difference. Key Takeaways: The desert's soundscape is threatened by human-induced noise pollution, which can drive wildlife away and disrupt ecosystems. Observing and preserving the desert quiet is essential for maintaining the region's ecological health and vitality. Increasing public awareness and support is needed to preserve the desert’s unique ecosystems and prevent corporate exploitation. Contributions and engagement from listeners are crucial for continuing the podcast’s mission to protect the desert. Notable Quotes: "The desert has always been quiet, but I've been hearing a different kind of quiet." "We're living in a desert that is depauperate of the creatures that formed it." "Noise is one of the least recognized forms of pollution we create, and we create a lot of it." "When I stand in the stillness now, I listen for ghosts. Echoes of wings, vanished choruses, voices the desert used to carry." "If we want to keep the ones that remain or restore the ones that we still can restore, the first thing we have to do is listen." Resources: Visit our website: 90 Miles from Needles Support the podcast: Donate Page Follow on social media: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Signal: hey90mfn.67 Listeners are encouraged to dive into the full episode for an engaging discussion on the importance of preserving desert environments and how we can all contribute to their protection. Stay tuned for more insightful episodes as the Desert Advocate Media Network continues to explore and advocate for these vital landscapes.   Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    30 min
  3. S4E43: Saving the Santa Rita Mountains from Destructive Copper Mining

    NOV 22

    S4E43: Saving the Santa Rita Mountains from Destructive Copper Mining

    In this episode of the 90 Miles from Needles podcast, host Chris Clarke embarks on a detailed discussion with John Dougherty, Executive Director of Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association, about the invasive copper mining initiatives threatening Arizona's sacred lands. Set against the backdrop of legal and environmental challenges, the conversation highlights the destructive potential of projects like the Copper World mine. With vibrant descriptions of Arizona's natural beauty juxtaposed with the stark reality of its exploitation for minerals, this episode paints an urgent call to action. Dougherty describes the controversial Copper World project, an expansion of the thwarted Rosemont Mine, spotlighting its predicted impact on local wildlife, sacred sites, and critical water resources. He explains the looming threats posed by massive open-pit mining and groundwater depletion. The discussion underscores the inadequacies and exploitation enabled by the General Mining Act of 1872, which allows mining companies to extract resources with minimal compensation to the public. Through strategic litigation efforts and community activism, Save the Scenic Santa Ritas aims to address and potentially halt these harmful mining activities. Key Takeaways: Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association is actively opposing the Copper World mine to prevent environmental and cultural devastation in the Santa Rita Mountains. The Copper World project threatens sacred indigenous lands and critical water resources in Arizona, fostering ecological and community concerns. Arizona's legal framework, based on the General Mining Act of 1872, is scrutinized for its outdated policies favoring mining corporations without adequate environmental oversight or economic benefit to the community. The podcast underscores the importance of local and political action to combat environmental degradation and protect public lands from corporate exploitation. Dougherty advocates for grassroots support and encourages listeners to engage with local governance to enact restrictive policies on destructive mining activities. Notable Quotes: "If space aliens arrived with an orbital death ray and erased a valley in just this fashion, the nations of the world would go to war." "The damage doesn't just stop when the mining stops, the damage continues on forever." "The Ray Mine isn't the largest open pit copper mine in the state, but...it was about as stark and unexpected as I had ever seen." "This copper is going overseas...the company admits in its financial filings that the first four or five years will all be exported." Resources: Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Association: Website Contact Information for Arizona Government Officials: Reach out to Arizona's Governor Katie Hobbs at engage@az.gov  and State Attorney General Kris Mays (https://www.azag.gov/to advocate for changes in mining regulation policies to protect Arizona's lands. Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    57 min
  4. S4E42: Defending the Desert in a World of Lies

    NOV 15

    S4E42: Defending the Desert in a World of Lies

    In this compelling episode of 90 Miles from Needles, host Chris Clarke explores the delicate balance of truth in natural environments and everyday life. With a focus on the impact of modern technology, Chris explores how misinformation, notably from AI-generated content, can distort our understanding of the natural world. He raises vital questions about the integrity of information and prompts listeners to reconsider how we consume media. This discussion extends to an examination of the timeless truths found within desert ecosystems, where reality remains unobscured by human interference. Chris eloquently contrasts the external world filled with "little lies" and the undeniable truths present in the desert's harsh yet honest environment. This episode emphasizes the importance of discernment in the digital age, encouraging listeners to seek authenticity and treasure the unembellished truth of natural landscapes. Key Takeaways: AI-generated content is increasingly sophisticated, making it challenging to distinguish between reality and fiction. Deserts serve as natural educators, offering unbiased truths and teaching resilience, adaptation, and harmony. Misinformation isn't limited to one side of the political spectrum; all individuals must critically assess their beliefs. The desert's inherent truthfulness contrasts with the often manipulated realities we encounter through media and politics. Understanding natural environments, like deserts, requires slowing down and embracing complexity without preconceptions. Notable Quotes: "The desert is pretty honest about limits." "When does an untruth become a lie? A lie requires intent." "The desert is pretty firm in its stance that reality is not optional." "Truth in the desert is slow, and if you want to catch it, you slow down, too." "The desert never asks us to pick one story or the other. It just presents the facts in all their complexity." Resources: Coyote and Badger video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bICTWNRrGE Engage further with this insightful podcast episode to explore the interplay between environmental truth and societal narratives. Stay tuned for more episodes of 90 Miles from Needles, where the focus remains steadfastly on desert protection and the stories that shape our understanding of these vital ecosystems.   Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    27 min
  5. S4E41: How Fire, Furloughs, and Federal Cuts Threaten Our Deserts

    NOV 7

    S4E41: How Fire, Furloughs, and Federal Cuts Threaten Our Deserts

    In this compelling episode of 90 Miles from Needles, host Chris Clarke engages in a deep conversation with Nick Graver as they explore the pressing challenges facing Joshua Trees and desert conservation efforts amid climate change and governmental policy swings. Recorded during the longest federal government shutdown in U.S. history, this episode highlights the hurdles that scientists and conservationists face in protecting vulnerable species against the backdrop of political instability. The discussion spotlights key topics such as the impact of invasive species on desert ecosystems, the critical role of the Joshua Tree as a keystone species, and how recent wildfire patterns threaten these iconic symbols of the desert. Graver elaborates on the intricate science behind population modeling and stresses the urgency of coordinated governmental and scientific efforts to preserve these fragile landscapes. As federal support becomes erratic, this episode captures the essence of modern environmental advocacy and the relentless pursuit of conservation in uncertain times. Key Takeaways: The Joshua Tree faces significant threats from climate change, especially due to invasive grasses and increased occurrences of human-caused wildfires. There is a pressing need for diverse partnerships between governmental bodies, researchers, and indigenous communities to develop effective conservation strategies. Federal and state policy dynamics, including the effects of government shutdowns, severely impact the implementation of conservation efforts. Understanding the life history and reproductive patterns of Joshua Trees provides crucial insights for developing long-term conservation measures. Despite political barriers, continuous advocacy and research are critical to ensuring the survival of Joshua Trees and the broader desert ecosystem. Notable Quotes: "We've known for 15 or 20 years now that Joshua Trees in particular were threatened by climate change." "If there's nobody there to hear those ideas and implement those changes, then it's all pointless." "Joshua Trees occupy a substantial area in four U.S. states... and is a critically important species." "The trees that we plant in 2025... by the time that those trees grow to adulthood, it will already be 2070." Resources: 90 Miles from Needles Website Burton Frasher's 1926 photo of the "U2 Joshua Tree" 1980 shot of the same tree For a deeper understanding of the current state of desert conservation and the challenges faced by Joshua Trees, listen to the full episode.   Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    1 hr
  6. S4E40: The Battle for the San Rafael Valley

    OCT 31

    S4E40: The Battle for the San Rafael Valley

    About the Guest: Andrea Hoerr is a committed environmental advocate working with Save the Scenic Santa Ritas and Great Old Broads for Wilderness in Tucson, Arizona. Her work involves fighting against environmentally detrimental projects, such as huge mining operations and the development of border walls in biodiverse regions. Andrea, also known as Dre, uses her expertise as an Arizona Master Naturalist to engage in preserving wilderness areas and fostering grassroots efforts for environmental conservation. Episode Summary: In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke engages with Andrea Hoerr, a fervent activist for desert conservation and biodiversity protection. Hoerr highlights the ecological threats posed by the potential construction of a 27-mile border wall through the San Rafael Valley in Southern Arizona. The episode covers the rich biodiversity of the region, including its status as a biodiversity hotspot and migration corridor for a variety of species. The conversation dives deep into the importance of the San Rafael Valley's grasslands, shedding light on the impending consequences of border wall construction, such as disrupted animal migration, waterway destruction, and habitat fragmentation. Hoerr underscores the collective resistance against these developments and invites listeners to a peaceful rally on November 15 aimed at raising awareness and protecting the valley. By presenting comprehensive anecdotes and first-hand experiences, this episode serves as a powerful call to action for greater environmental advocacy. Key Takeaways: The San Rafael Valley in Southern Arizona is a critical biodiversity hotspot, threatened by a proposed 27-mile border wall. Andrea Hoerr and her fellow activists are organizing a rally on November 15th to raise awareness about the ecological impacts of the border wall. The proposed wall will disrupt animal migration corridors, hamper natural waterways, and result in habitat fragmentation. Biodiversity is vital not only to the environment but also to national security, as recognized by various institutions, including the military. Engaging with and bearing witness to the land helps solidify community commitment to environmental conservation efforts. Notable Quotes: "Biodiversity is important to the health and well-being of not only humans, but all the 10 million species that are interconnected." "We acted as if we can do whatever we want without any concern for the repercussions." "You cannot really grasp the magnitude of what's happening here until you get there, until you bear witness for yourself." "Art, as you know, is such an important way to reach people." "We choose to try not to paint everyone with a broad brush. There’s a lot more hearts and minds that can be won over." Resources: Save the Scenic Santa Ritas Great Old Broads for Wilderness Instagram: Rally for the Valley Andrea Hoerr on Bluesky Website: Border Wall Resistance Tune in to the full episode for an inspiring and detailed exploration of the San Rafael Valley, its invaluable ecology, and the community efforts to protect it. Stay connected for more stories and insights from "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast." Podcast episode artwork courtesy Sky Island Alliance.   Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    31 min
  7. S4E39: Ideology vs. Wildlife Science: A Conversation with Mandy Culbertson

    OCT 17

    S4E39: Ideology vs. Wildlife Science: A Conversation with Mandy Culbertson

    Episode Summary: In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles: The Desert Protection Podcast," host Chris Clarke takes listeners into the complex worlds of wildlife policy and desert preservation. The episode features Mandy Culbertson, Communications Director at Wildlife for All, discussing the implications of state and federal-level wildlife governance on biodiversity and the environment, particularly within the Southwest's desert landscapes. She explains how Wildlife for All is working to reform state wildlife governance by including more democratic processes and scientific approaches to benefit ecosystems and wildlife populations. Mandy provides an insightful analysis of the current state of wildlife management in the Southwest and beyond, highlighting the disparity in effectiveness among different states. With a critical eye on states like Arizona and Montana, Chris and Mandy discuss pressing issues such as the militarization of the US-Mexico border and its detrimental effects on wildlife. Mandy elaborates on how public pressure can influence policy decisions, citing recent victories and ongoing struggles in wildlife advocacy. The conversation also highlights the crippling impact of the recent federal government shutdown on wildlife protection efforts, especially for endangered species like the Mexican gray wolf.  Key Takeaways: Wildlife for All's Mission: The organization focuses on transforming state wildlife governance to protect biodiversity and strengthen ecosystems with an ethical and democratic approach. Southwestern Biodiversity: The American Southwest is a biodiversity hotspot facing unique challenges such as habitat fragmentation, climate change, and urban development pressures. State Wildlife Management: States like Arizona exhibit problematic wildlife management practices, often putting political ideology and special interests over scientific and ethical considerations. Impact of Border Militarization: Increased infrastructure and enforcement along the US-Mexico border significantly disrupt wildlife corridors, affecting numerous species. Federal and State Dynamics: The federal government shutdown exacerbates challenges in managing and protecting wildlife. Notable Quotes: "Most folks don't realize that state agencies, state wildlife agencies, are responsible for the vast majority of wildlife management in this country." — Mandy Culbertson "Protecting biodiversity and restoring healthy ecosystems requires a more ethical and democratic and just approach to wildlife policy." — Mandy Culbertson  "The war on wildlife isn't separate from the crisis of democracy that we're seeing right now. It's a symptom of the same disease." — Mandy Culbertson "Public pressure matters. These state wildlife commission meetings are a great place to get involved." — Mandy Culbertson Resources: Wildlife for All Website: https://wildlifeforall.us Wildlife For All's Wildlife Advocacy Toolkit: https://wildlifeforall.us/take-action/advocacy-toolkit/ Wildlife For All also compiles a regular list of state wildlife commission meetings: https://wildlifeforall.us/october-wildlife-commission-meetings/ No Kings Movement: https://nokings.org Permission to Pollute Act (bill text): https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/3898/text Public Lands Rule Public Comment (ends November 10): Engage in the ongoing public comment to help keep non-consumptive use of public lands (like hiking, camping, wildlife watching) on an equal policy footing with mining and logging. For more info: https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-proposes-rescind-public-lands-rule-restoring-balanced-multiple-use   Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    48 min
  8. S4E38: 2 Big Reasons to Avoid National Parks During the Shutdown

    OCT 10

    S4E38: 2 Big Reasons to Avoid National Parks During the Shutdown

    In this episode of "90 Miles from Needles," host Chris Clarke provides valuable insights into the impact of government shutdowns on national parks, especially those within desert regions. The episode opens with a beautiful recording of a hermit thrush by nature sound artist Fred Bell, setting a serene and reflective tone for discussing the challenges facing these national treasures during shutdowns. Clarke advises listeners to reconsider visiting national parks until they are fully operational again due to the strain on park staff and resources, leading to potential environmental degradation and safety risks. Chris shares insights from retired park rangers and discusses the alarming consequences of a strained park system, such as vandalism, inadequate maintenance of amenities, and risks posed by decreased ranger presence. Clarke also emphasizes the economic implications for local communities reliant on park tourism, highlighting examples of local businesses adapting by offering alternative tours outside national parks. Additionally, he encourages listeners to explore other natural and historical sites managed by different entities, thus somewhat preserving the economic stability of local regions while respecting and protecting national parks during these challenging times. Key Takeaways: National parks face significant challenges during government shutdowns, leading to environmental and safety risks. Vandalism, lack of maintenance, and potential visitor accidents are heightened without adequate park staffing. Retired park rangers advocate for closing parks entirely during shutdowns to protect resources. Local businesses and tour operators offer alternative experiences outside national parks to mitigate economic impacts. Visitors can explore nearby state parks, county parks, and BLM lands as responsible alternatives. Notable Quotes: "As someone who lives a five minute drive from an extremely popular national park, it's disturbing to me that the Secretary of the Interior has basically ordered parks to stay as open as possible during the shutdown." - Chris Clarke "These landscapes, these cultural resources, these historical resources are all vulnerable. And right now they don't have enough guardians watching over them." - Chris Clarke "During the last long shutdown, there was vandalism in Joshua Tree. There's spray painting on rocks, damage and theft of artifacts and cultural items." - Chris Clarke "We can use it as an excuse to give those animals another break. It's been five years since they had one. Maybe we think about this as a good moment to give the land and the beings that live there another chance to breathe." - Chris Clarke "The landscapes around the parks are amazing in their own right, and your spending there will still support the local economy without adding pressure to the national parks." - Chris Clarke Resources: 90 Miles from Needles Podcast: [90milesfromneedles.com](https://90milesfromneedles.com) Desert Protection Podcast Social Media: Facebook https://facebook.com/ninetymilesfromneedles Instagram https://www.instagram.com/90mifromneedles/BlueSky https://bsky.app/profile/90milesfromneedles.comThreads https://www.threads.com/@90mifromneedles Become a desert defender!: https://90milesfromneedles.com/donate See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Join Chris Clarke and a variety of guests as they explore the challenges and opportunities of the American Southwest's fragile ecosystems. Engaging interviews with experts, activists, and advocates on conservation, land management, and environmental justice. Science and sentiment, politics and philosophy, hiking and history, culture and creativity all go into defending the desert. Be forewarned: We are out to recruit you to the cause.

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